Does Kraft belong in the NFL hall of fame

[PatsFanSince74]

He did what no owner was supposed to be able to do after 1993: build a team that dominated its division, conference and league for 20 years with salary caps and Free Agency. Of course they are going to keep him out of Canton for as long as they can.

 

[signbabybrady]

13 Patriots among initial list for HoF

Rodney better get in.

Adam V's first year of eligibility. Not saying he doesn't belong in but I feel like all the other players deserve it more.

13 Former Patriots Among Nominees for Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2025

 

[p8ryts]

13 Patriots among initial list for HoF

Rodney better get in.

Adam V's first year of eligibility. Not saying he doesn't belong in but I feel like all the other players deserve it more.

13 Former Patriots Among Nominees for Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2025

There are a LOT of very good football players there. I couldn't pick just one.

 

[AQPE]

Adam V should be a lock, it feels like with Morton Anderson and Devin Hester elected the voters are now more receptive to special teams players.

Of all the former Pats on the list, Rodney is to me the biggest omission. John Lynch, Steve Atwater, and what’s his name from the Packers were elected over the past 5 years. Rodney was the superior player and had more to do with more championships than those guys from the same career timeframe.

From the rest of the list, my heart says Bruschi is my favorite, a close call for me compared to Wilfork and McGinest. Bruschi was the Pats version of Jack Ham, a guy with an uncanny knack for playing biggest at the biggest moments. I think Ham has better numbers and was a slightly better player but he had the great advantage of playing next to HOF Jack Lambert, Bruschi didn’t have someone at Lambert’s level on the Pats with all due respect to McGinest, Vrabel, Phifer, and the others.

Not listed but my own personal favorite is Troy Brown. He’ll never get into Canton but I’ll take that guy over lots of guys who are in. He made the play on offense that won the first championship after making the play on special teams in the AFCCG to get them there. I was fine with seeing Hester get in given his unique numbers but Troy was so far superior as a football player; if he was a Steeler or Packer and not a Patriot he’d be in.

Hoping for a Patriot player to be elected next year but as long as Wrong Borges is the lead dog for the New England writers with a vote I’ll never be optimistic.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Rub+Tug HOF, yes
Otherwise, No.
He bent over for his Rich Boyz, never gave a **** about the blowback. **** that little troll, I hope he keeps begging and gets slammed for being a fkn degenerate.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Honestly, as far as Vinatieri goes, he should absolutely get in. If Namath gets in largely because of his Super Bowl guarantee. Then a clutch kicker who delivered three Super Bowls should get in.

 

[Brewskies]

No. JUNIPER FLORIDA KEEPING HIM OUT. MR CHEAPO

 

[Brewskies]

El Cheapo wouldn't spend the money to hire a girl to come to his room and give him a hand job. Instead he went to a cheap massage parlor owned by a good friend of Trump, who told Robert Kraft to go to the parlor. However, there were cameras there for police undercover work. Kraft and his money beat the rap. His lawyers, to get him off, cost more than a hooker he could have hired to have in his room privately to do the deed.


No HOF for you Robert.

 

[sportnik]

The NFL needs to stop jerking Kraft around. Thunder deserves a happy ending!

 

[pats_premi]

Kraft has done enough for the NFL to be in HOF, but he is spending too much effort trying to claim tha dynasty happened only because of him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Simple answer yes Kraft belongs in.

But it doesn't sit well that he apparently has Stacey James campaigning for him and no mentions of similar things for Rodney, or some older guys like Geno or Morgan.

The Patriots constantly get snubbed by the HoF it's a joke.

The fact that guys like Ron Borges are the ones making the decisions makes it a complete farce.

 

[lancerman]

The fact that guys like Ron Borges are the ones making the decisions makes it a complete farce.

Borges is a big issue for Patriots in the HOF because he is theoretically supposed to be the guy that presents the case for Patriots players. I would not be surprised at all if he brought up Spygate and Bill's record without Brady when he has to argue that case.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Curran or Reiss should be the one’s representing New England.

 

[upstater1]

Adam V should be a lock, it feels like with Morton Anderson and Devin Hester elected the voters are now more receptive to special teams players.

Of all the former Pats on the list, Rodney is to me the biggest omission. John Lynch, Steve Atwater, and what’s his name from the Packers were elected over the past 5 years. Rodney was the superior player and had more to do with more championships than those guys from the same career timeframe.

From the rest of the list, my heart says Bruschi is my favorite, a close call for me compared to Wilfork and McGinest. Bruschi was the Pats version of Jack Ham, a guy with an uncanny knack for playing biggest at the biggest moments. I think Ham has better numbers and was a slightly better player but he had the great advantage of playing next to HOF Jack Lambert, Bruschi didn’t have someone at Lambert’s level on the Pats with all due respect to McGinest, Vrabel, Phifer, and the others.

Not listed but my own personal favorite is Troy Brown. He’ll never get into Canton but I’ll take that guy over lots of guys who are in. He made the play on offense that won the first championship after making the play on special teams in the AFCCG to get them there. I was fine with seeing Hester get in given his unique numbers but Troy was so far superior as a football player; if he was a Steeler or Packer and not a Patriot he’d be in.

Hoping for a Patriot player to be elected next year but as long as Wrong Borges is the lead dog for the New England writers with a vote I’ll never be optimistic.

Stanley Morgan, of all the eligible Patriots, is the one who most deserves to be in.

It's crazy that he's not in.

His numbers are ahead of many WRs in the Hall of Fame.

His YPC is eye-popping, at the very top of the charts.

EVerything about him checks. It's mind-boggling that he's not in the HOF.

 

[signbabybrady]

Curran or Reiss should be the one’s representing New England.

For something like this Reiss really would be the perfect pick.

 

[Brewskies]

archstanton543 are you related to Robert Kraft? Just wondering. In your opinion, what did Robert Kraft do with the Patriots to deserve being in the HOF? Is it because he hired Bill Belichick to completely run the show except Robert controlled the purse strings, therefore restricting BB? What did Kraft do to earn a ring? He gave his ring to Vladimir Putin the leader of Russia, TRUMP'S friend.

 

[Huckleberry1]

archstanton543 are you related to Robert Kraft? Just wondering. In your opinion, what did Robert Kraft do with the Patriots to deserve being in the HOF? Is it because he hired Bill Belichick to completely run the show except Robert controlled the purse strings, therefore restricting BB? What did Kraft do to earn a ring? He gave his ring to Vladimir Putin the leader of Russia, TRUMP'S friend.

Putin stole Kraft’s ring.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Stanley Morgan, of all the eligible Patriots, is the one who most deserves to be in.

It's crazy that he's not in.

His numbers are ahead of many WRs in the Hall of Fame.

His YPC is eye-popping, at the very top of the charts.

EVerything about him checks. It's mind-boggling that he's not in the HOF.

To me Wilfork is the guy who most belongs in the Hall. Until he injured his Achilles I never came out of a game saying that Wilfork had a bad game. And he dominated at a position where he was double teamed most of the time. That kind of consistency is insane. But I agree that Morgan belongs in the Hall.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Hoping for a Patriot player to be elected next year but as long as Wrong Borges is the lead dog for the New England writers with a vote I’ll never be optimistic.

Borges is a big issue for Patriots in the HOF because he is theoretically supposed to be the guy that presents the case for Patriots players. I would not be surprised at all if he brought up Spygate and Bill's record without Brady when he has to argue that case.

The fact that guys like Ron Borges are the ones making the decisions makes it a complete farce.

Ron is clearly a card-carrying member of the local Boston media anti-Patriots hit piece squad, who get together annually to trumpet their false laughingstock narrative. While there has been obligatory acknowledgement of this century's dynasty, and there are legitimate shortcomings in Kraft's modus operandi, these guys seem to embrace a religion that worships denigrating the home town football team instead of supporting it, or at least recognizing the good things Kraft does.

Borges eloquently describes how good Houston Antwine was, pointing out facts like out of no less than eleven Patriots AFL All-Stars, Houston was the best at his position, probably second best in the league, and worthy of the Hall of Fame. Then Ron closes with "People of this generation will never appreciate it."

I find it odd that Ron virtually personally gave the committee no choice but to vote Andre in, and refuses to do so for anybody else. Tippett must have done or said something to get on Ron's good side.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Rub+Tug HOF, yes
Otherwise, No.
He bent over for his Rich Boyz, never gave a **** about the blowback. **** that little troll, I hope he keeps begging and gets slammed for being a fkn degenerate.

archstanton543 are you related to Robert Kraft? Just wondering. In your opinion, what did Robert Kraft do with the Patriots to deserve being in the HOF? Is it because he hired Bill Belichick to completely run the show except Robert controlled the purse strings, therefore restricting BB? What did Kraft do to earn a ring? He gave his ring to Vladimir Putin the leader of Russia, TRUMP'S friend.

Kraft has done enough for the NFL to be in HOF, but he is spending too much effort trying to claim tha dynasty happened only because of him.

El Cheapo wouldn't spend the money to hire a girl to come to his room and give him a hand job. Instead he went to a cheap massage parlor owned by a good friend of Trump, who told Robert Kraft to go to the parlor. However, there were cameras there for police undercover work. Kraft and his money beat the rap. His lawyers, to get him off, cost more than a hooker he could have hired to have in his room privately to do the deed.


No HOF for you Robert.

Now these are all legit gripes, and none of you guys even mentioned keeping the flying elvis and corresponding miserable replacement uniform perpetrated against all real Patriots fans' will less than a year before he bought the team.

I personally seek to take the good with the bad. Further, as a Pats fan more familiar with injustice than the typical sports fan, I seek fairness.

I appreciate everything Robert did to keep this team here, and that was a lot. Not just money. The fact that he has continued to be active in supporting league unity and bent over to take absurd, unprecedented and unmatched bull sh*t from the league should enhance his Hall of Fame credentials, not diminish them.

Al Davis sued the league over a dozen times and was an open, public pain in Rozelle and the league's asses throughout his entire time in the NFL. His gripes were legit, but there is no excuse for him being inducted at age 63, nearly twenty years before his death, and Kraft who has done nothing but kiss the league's ass being locked out.

He did what no owner was supposed to be able to do after 1993: build a team that dominated its division, conference and league for 20 years with salary caps and Free Agency. Of course they are going to keep him out of Canton for as long as they can.

You nailed it. It's okay for other cities to have dynasties - but not New England. Not the Patriots.