Does Kraft belong in the NFL hall of fame

[signbabybrady]

The fact that Ron Borgers 'represents' the New England Patriots on the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection committee surely has something to do with the Pats under-count in the Hall, especially considering the team's dominance in the 21st century.

I was waiting for someone to bring him up. What's the deal why/how has he failed us so miserably on this department?

 

[Brady Lady Jana]

You couldn't be more wrong.

He's more than an equal partner. Without Robert Kraft, nothing would have been won. You'd be watching New England football being played in a dome in St Louis.

I thought it was an NFL HOF not a NE fan HOF.


Bob should put himself in the Patriots HOF then to congratulate himself for saving the team. That would be yucky self gratification though. He could always hire an Asian lady to put him in the HOF.

 

[Triumph]

He knows he is guaranteed HOF at some point. He has another mission now. The record and rehabilitation.

I believe that BB wants to win a Lombardi without Brady too.

 

[Wozzy]

Owners who weren’t coaches or GM’s shouldn’t be eligible for the HOF, but since the owners want to pat themselves on the back no current owner deserves it more than Bob.

Success, saved the team from moving, negotiated the player strike…. what else does he have to do?

 

[Wozzy]

I believe that BB wants to win a Lombardi without Brady too.

I think BB wants to win a ring regardless, it has nothing to do with Brady… he just wants to win.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

let's put aside that owners don't belong in the HOF because they put some in. What he's done for football since he bought the team warrants him getting in. Top that off with 6 rings and it's a no brainer, he'll probably never get in with all the petty owners against him.

 

[maust]

I was waiting for someone to bring him up. What's the deal why/how has he failed us so miserably on this department?

Ron Borges is the self aggrandizing south end of a northbound horse. Dude has more agendas than Andy

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I’ll go against the grain : I would say no. While I understand the “other owners comparison” - just because they are unjustly in the Hall, doesn’t mean Kraft should be in.

Vanity that owners are in. They have no business there. But, in the end, HoFs aren’t really that important so who cares ?

Initially was going to say the opposite but going to agree and side with you after thinking about this. Why do billionaire owners need to be in the nfl hof? Nothing but ego stroking their already huge egos imo. Pats hof? Sure…I’d go as far as saying we can assume the owners do a bit for the game…it’s in their interests.

 

[VrabelJr]

Modern day owners don’t belong. The game is played on the field. That players make ever more and more money due to an owner allegedly figuring out TV deals, which let’s face it is for the owners not the players, is of minor consequence.

Now I say modern day owners specifically because I do respect the early NFL owners that truly did take risks getting into something underneath the surface that is incredibly nerdy without much obvious reward. NFL ownership for modern day owners is part of a pissing match between them and other billionaire friend-enemies.

 

[Triumph]

I think BB wants to win a ring regardless, it has nothing to do with Brady… he just wants to win.

He does, but a dark cloud will always be over his hoodie that BB won zilch without Brady.

Same as Tuna never won a thing without BB.

 

[Triumph]

Owners are just as crucial to success as HCs,GMs and QBs.

 

[maust]

The fact that Ron Borgers 'represents' the New England Patriots on the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection committee surely has something to do with the Pats under-count in the Hall, especially considering the team's dominance in the 21st century.

I agree. Ron Borges is a true douche but in the interest of fairness and honesty (traits Borges himself is wholly unfamiliar with) he has said in the past as much as any owner deserves HoF enshrinement Krafty Bob does. Whether he meant it or was angling for a job on the Pats media staff at the time is anybody's guess but he is on the public record supporting Kraft's enshrinement. He is a snake though so what he's saying behind closed HoF doors is also anybody's guess.

 

[maust]

andy said that, did he? lol, well there you go - all the more proof that they do indeed belong in the HoF.

I think the newbie is on to something there. If more folks would either not respond to Andy or just agree with him it would deny him his 'fix' and he might just fade away. Food for thought.

 

[Pape]

Initially was going to say the opposite but going to agree and side with you after thinking about this. Why do billionaire owners need to be in the nfl hof? Nothing but ego stroking their already huge egos imo. Pats hof? Sure…I’d go as far as saying we can assume the owners do a bit for the game…it’s in their interests.

There are owners who drive the game forward, and those that sit back and collect checks. Those that work to better the league deserve the accolades.

 

[Brady Lady Jana]

I think the newbie is on to something there. If more folks would either not respond to Andy or just agree with him it would deny him his 'fix' and he might just fade away. Food for thought.

I see. The newbie is learning. Agree with the masses is the way to go.

The HOF should roll out the red carpet and beg Bob Kraft to be inducted. Fun!

 

[Pape]

The HOF should roll out the red carpet and beg Bob Kraft to be inducted. Fun!

 

[Wozzy]

He does, but a dark cloud will always be over his hoodie that BB won zilch without Brady.

Same as Tuna never won a thing without BB.

BB drafted and developed Brady, he won two as the DC of the Giants. He doesn't have to qualify his record.

Brady benefitted from him as much as the reverse.

 

[FCB02062]

There will be negative sentiment amongst the other owners for the following reasons - Spygate and the numerous penalties incurred as the Belichick regime thwarted and skirted rules left and right, Orchids of Asia, he openly supports Israel which is a no no in the globalist land of the rich and famous, he's a Jew, and at one time he openly supported Donald Trump. The old money wasps that run the NFL aren't going to let Krafty Bob in their club without a fight.
I'm not saying Krafty Bob will never get in the HOF, these items will just hinder his swift election to Canton.
I do not believe he should be in the HOF because owners should not be in the hall of fame.

 

[Triumph]

BB drafted and developed Brady, he won two as the DC of the Giants. He doesn't have to qualify his record.

Brady benefitted from him as much as the reverse.

BB has moved up and beyond the DC position many moons ago. He will be a HC next and rumors are that he turned down the 49ers DC job.

It Super Bowl or bust for BB.

 

[AQPE]

I agree that Wrong Borges is part of the reason that the Patriots have been snubbed when it comes to HOF induction, at least in comparison to the support for induction for players from teams that have won considerably less than the Pats. I don’t think it’s because he himself opposes the induction of guys like Harrison or Stanley Morgan, but rather that he sucks at playing the political game that is so obviously needed in that realm. Probably his ****ty personality and history as a plaigerer hurts the cause.

The Van Natta article demonstrates how deep the rot is in the election process. Kraft’s candidacy hasn’t even gotten past the committee level. Although the committee process is shrouded in mystery I have no basis for blaming Borges for the Kraft issue. It is news to me that the committee goes to lengths to hide things, but that’s entirely in line with the impression I have that the process is corrupt. I have no doubt that this is about people selling their votes and screwing candidates based on personal grievances; why else would they want anonymity.

Additionally the election process is inevitably driven by statistics, and that is to the disadvantage of guys from the Pats who played crucial roles in the first dynasty periods such as Bruschi, Brown, McGinest, etc. whose individual stats compare unfavorably to guys at the same positions who played for lesser teams. It’s the downside of playing in the BB system that succeeded through team excellence as opposed to individual excellence (I’m not in the “it was all Brady” camp, obviously his extraordinary performance was the most critical element, but still for me their unprecedented success was more about their excellence as a team). Nobody in their right mind would put Devin Hester on their football team over Troy Brown unless they only cared about kick and punt returns and nothing else, but Hester’s unique numbers are undeniable and in my view worthy of his election.

One final point I found notable here from the Van Natta article. For some time I’ve been quite skeptical about what BSPN has published from Van Natta and Seth Wickersham. They have on multiple occasions IMHO published things that nobody else covering the team regularly either also published or verified. I tend not to believe things written by someone parachuting in like that over what the local guys write or otherwise report. This piece about Kraft gives me pause, it sure feels like to me that he’s carrying water for the Krafts which to me implies more of a connection between them than I was previously inclined to believe existed. It does, however, align perfectly with my feeling that getting Bob to the HOF before he croaks is a higher priority to “certain people in the organization” than I would like (feel free to give me another dislike on this @archstanton543 since you hate to see people imply such things about your beloved Nebbish).