Mayo is a puppet

[signbabybrady]

There is no contradiction between asserting what evidence-to-date suggests on the one hand and indicating an openness to the possibility subsequent facts might indicate the contrary. Many things begin badly but end well, and vice-versa. If you are looking for someone who will bleat fanboy nonsense until doing so becomes untenable, I am not your man. I'm a fan, not a cheerleader. It seems to me there is little objective evidence on the other side of the ledger, aside perhaps from the arguably competent manner is which Mayo handled the Judon matter. If there is more to be said in support of a view that Mayo is doing well to this point, let's hear it.

I would say that based on my viewing of training camp practices and what very little we have seen so far things look to be running pretty much the same as any other camp.

The talent might not be there at certain positions but isn't that on Wolf and even BB more than Mayo?

I have no idea what evidence you are using to assert amateur results borderline incompetent?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Reid was a horrific choker in the post season.

It’s amazing how people continue to not acknowledge this. He had a big monkey on his back for years because of his horrible clock management late in games.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Fans wanted Mayo gone? That must have taken some time asking them all. Give the guy a chance for fick;s sake

You’re new here. Many posters wanted Bill and his entire staff gone during the season only to pivot once Mayo was hired. Lots of hypocrites.

 

[SinceGroganWalkedIn]

The Mayo naysayers sound like they have been listening to the nontroversies expounded on sports talk radio.
Compare to Mike McDaniels both were about the same age when hired, McDaniels worked his way up the coaching tree while Mayo was a player who became a coach under BB...
Mayo deserves a chance, difficult to assess how he will after about 25 practices and 3 preseason games.

Right on. What is truly scary, is that people listen to the nontroversies of the media and repeat that manure pile as if it's the gospel truth. I wonder if it's 12 year olds online that write this stuff, or are people so unable to think for themselves now in the cell phone lap-dog era? It's fascinating and really scary/sad.

 

[Ross12]

Isn't Andy Reid himself kind of a "player's coach"? Sure he's pretty sharp offensively but I also get the sense that his team like him and relate to him and that has done more for him than his play designs. Reasonable to think there's a chance that a combination of Mayo and AVP can achieve the same thing, given some time.

The "player's coach" model is gaining traction as time goes on IMO. Mike McDaniel is like the "player's coach" personified. The issue for him, I think, is that he goes too far down the buddy path and doesn't have the presence or playing experience to lean on. Mayo seems uniquely qualified to fill that mold but also lean on his experience as a star linebacker. I'm definitely interested to see how things go.

 

[rochrist]

except for felger who is right on about him

Ok then.

 

[Thelonious]

I would say that based on my viewing of training camp practices and what very little we have seen so far things look to be running pretty much the same as any other camp.

The talent might not be there at certain positions but isn't that on Wolf and even BB more than Mayo?

I have no idea what evidence you are using to assert amateur results borderline incompetent?

To this point, the shortcomings have had to do with managing the messaging and, if we are to judge by appearances and by Mayo's inept press conferences, in taking command of the organization. Anyone who has managed people or taught a class will tell you that it is very difficult to begin as a softy then subsequently to opt for a more assertive and authoritative approach. If you do do not start by asserting yourself, any prerogatives which you extend are as likely to be regarded as an indication of weakness or uncertainty as they are to be appreciated as a "vote of confidence."

This is, of course, a somewhat narrow slice of the areas in which one evaluates a HC, which is why I think it unwarranted to form any definitive evaluation of Mayo at this point, but it is unquestionable that Mayo has not had a strong start and to note that his resume, lacking as it is in showing any administrative experience, does suggest these issues could have been anticipated, and that the emphasis of those who have praised him has been on his being such a "nice guy," which might constitute a sort of "damning with faint praise" suggestive of a deficiency in more substantive virtues.

 

[Thelonious]

Right on. What is truly scary, is that people listen to the nontroversies of the media and repeat that manure pile as if it's the gospel truth. I wonder if it's 12 year olds online that write this stuff, or are people so unable to think for themselves now in the cell phone lap-dog era? It's fascinating and really scary/sad.

"It's fascinating and really scary/sad."

Now, that really does sound like a "twelve year old." Pull yourself together, man.

 

[KCSVEN]

This is a dumb thread but what isn't dumb is the fascinating history of puppets, puppets are pretty awesome so Mayo must be pretty awesome!

Puppetry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[signbabybrady]

To this point, the shortcomings have had to do with managing the messaging and, if we are to judge by appearances and by Mayo's inept press conferences, in taking command of the organization. Anyone who has managed people or taught a class will tell you that it is very difficult to begin as a softy then subsequently to opt for a more assertive and authoritative approach. If you do do not start by asserting yourself, any prerogatives which you extend are as likely to be regarded as an indication of weakness or uncertainty as they are to be appreciated as a "vote of confidence."

This is, of course, a somewhat narrow slice of the areas in which one evaluates a HC, which is why I think it unwarranted to form any definitive evaluation of Mayo at this point, but it is unquestionable that Mayo has not had a strong start and to note that his resume, lacking as it is in showing any administrative experience, does suggest these issues could have been anticipated, and that the emphasis of those who have praised him has been on his being such a "nice guy," which might constitute a sort of "damning with faint praise" suggestive of a deficiency in more substantive virtues.

So you don't like his press conferences? That's all you are going off. Lame.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Will he be a marionete with Kraft controlling the strings/wires? Still think Ian should have an azzclown forum. This guy is a troll ... posts a thread and runs off like a Terry.

 

[farn]

If you want people to stop saying that race might have been a factor in his hiring, then work to end DEI programs and requirements, such as the Rooney Rule, and work to create an environment where people are hired on the merits. If you say that we can't do that because discrimination is systemic and we need to give preference to certain races, genders, etc., and hire underqualified applicants (or lower standards) to correct past injustice (as many corporations are in fact doing), then you are just proving the point and confirming how appropriate the question is. It's troubling when people act aghast when issues like this are raised, while we are swimming in a sea of DEI propaganda and implementation. "Just shut up, accept it or I'm going to call you a racist." No, not until the best candidates for any role -- male, female, black, white, straight, gay, whatever -- start getting the jobs again. Go ahead and call me a racist: I don't care.

I'm not making any comment regarding Mayo. My gripes with him are inexperience and demeanor. He is just an odd choice to take over after BB. He may have a great season, showing he's a strategic and tactical force to be reckoned with. We shall see.

Four points were outlined in my post. You’re quite adamant about one in particular.

I think your reply is angry and misguided. But you do you. I don’t feel like going further down this road.

 

[tasmlab]

WRT Vrabel, both he and Mayo had pretty similar experience before becoming head coaches. Good career as a NE linebacker followed by a handful of seasons as a position coach.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This thread is stupid.

If fans can’t see that the intern from optimum is nothing more than a puppet for the krafts he is not qualified to be a dc let alone a hc ….the media in Boston has become soft except for felger who is right on about him …0-17 is in the table

First of all, it's Optum.

You have no evidence Mayo is a Kraft puppet.

If you want to say Mayo is unproven and hasn't quite figured out the nuances of messaging his team via the media then you would be accurate.

Get off the opiates.

 

[jlu52]

This thread is stupid.

First of all, it's Optum.

You have no evidence Mayo is a Kraft puppet.

If you want to say Mayo is unproven and hasn't quite figured out the nuances of messaging his team via the media then you would be accurate.

Get off the opiates.

The Dude abides

 

[rochrist]

The Dude abides

Does he though? According to Felger, perhaps not.

 

[jlu52]

Does he though? According to Felger, perhaps not.

After all of these years of pushing buttons, starting and chasing conspiracies, etc., I'm not sure Felger would know the truth if it bit him in the butt. That said, he's very successful, I hear.

 

[XLIX]

Three years is FAR too long. A year is entirely sufficient to show whether he is or is not the man for the job.

So they should have fired Belichick after going 5-11?

 

[IcyPatriot]

I think he should be evaluated by are the players buying in ... is the team over achieving the expected ... do the rookies look prepared for next man up. Where do they rank statistically vs the other 31 teams. What is their +/-. Evaluating this year based on wins and losses is lazy. I am sure I have missed a few here ... however team development is more important ... the wins and losses are a greater factor next year.

As far as a puppet ... laughable ... the players would not buy in on that one.

 

[InRodWeRust]

I'm so sick of Mayo being our head coach at this point. He hasn't even won ONE lousy Super Bowl yet and we've already played 3 preseason games!! I've seen enough. Time to get someone else quick!