Mayo is a puppet

[Thelonious]

Sunday and beyond is all that matters. Judge him from then on.

Yep. I will. Hopefully the Krafts will as well.

 

[Real fan 02]

Id like to win this season, but I wont be sad if the Pats dont.

The only way to get young and good is via the draft. A couple 3 good drafts could set this team up for the future.

Your right. I'd also say this. If the team shows heart and they are in games all season. The offense looks competent say they end up 7-10.. that's a huge lift for them. That will definitely attract big time potential FA, plus you would had the 2024 draft class all showing something. I don't know when we will see Drake but I can bet it is sometime in October.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yep. I will. Hopefully the Krafts will as well.

We will continue to wreck our brain deciphering Mayo's this, mayos that, personally IDC.. I want to see him grow as a coach, and get the experience. I'm one of his biggest supporters but I will comment on him as a football coach not the riddles he plays with the media from Sunday week 1 and beyond. The krafts have a better seat than any of us.

 

[Steve102]

He's a puppet for the owners who let the football people run the team for 20 years. Ok.

 

[Thelonious]

We will continue to wreck our brain deciphering Mayo's this, mayos that, personally IDC.. I want to see him grow as a coach, and get the experience. I'm one of his biggest supporters but I will comment on him as a football coach not the riddles he plays with the media from Sunday week 1 and beyond. The krafts have a better seat than any of us.

I wish we had hired someone who already has the experience. It is absurd for a multi-billion-dollar corporation to put itself in a position to have to provide on-the-job training for a key, top role in management. I share your hope that Mayo can grow into the job, but we ought not to have been put into a position to have to rely upon such a hope. I think this was a foolish hire, and while I hope we might luck out, based on his resume and on his performance to date, I doubt that we will. I understand that it is too early to make a definitive evaluation, but we are discussing the likelihood of Mayo's success, and to this point I see neither in the basis upon which the hire was made nor in the hiree's performance to date any reason to think that success is very likely.

I do not know whether Vrabel was available or not, but if he or some other demonstrably competent and experienced option was available, the Krafts should have hired him. The decision to lock prematurely onto Mayo as the next coach was a foolish, seemingly impulsive decision, based apparently on how pleasant a fellow Mayo seemed to the Krafts at the time and on a hope that a couple of years pushing paper in a finance company would qualify Mayo for a management position in football. I hope it'll work out, but I doubt it. I'd give it a year, then cut our losses.

 

[Real fan 02]

I wish we had hired someone who already has the experience. It is absurd for a multi-billion-dollar corporation to put itself in a position to have to provide on-the-job training for a key, top role in management. I share your hope that Mayo can grow into the job, but we ought not to have put into a position to have to rely upon such a hope. I think this was a foolish hire, and while I hope we might luck out, based on his resume and on his performance to date, I doubt that we will. I understand that it is too early to make a definitive evaluation, but we are discussing the likelihood of Mayo's success, and to this point I see neither in the basis upon which the hire was made nor in the hiree's performance to date any reason to think that success is very likely.

I do not know whether Vrabel was available or not, but if he or some other demonstrably competent and experienced option was available, the Krafts should have hired him. The decision to lock prematurely onto Mayo as the next coach was a foolish, seemingly impulsive decision, based apparently on how pleasant a fellow Mayo seemed to the Krafts at the time and on a hope that a couple of years pushing paper in a finance company would qualify Mayo for a management position in football. I haope it'll work out, but I doubt it. I'd give it a year, then cut our losses.

I get it. You make valid points. I'll say this had we went with a more experienced coach... I mean pick your candidate. We still would be where we are. A 4-13 team, with the 3rd pick. A roster that's considered bottom ranked.

Alot of experienced coaches may not have wanted to endure a rebuild. Say harbough for example he wanted a ready made team with the QB already in place.

Vrabel is Definitely an option, but he likely wanted to have more say on personnel and that's wolf's job. That's why it ended in Tennessee.

So mayo, wolf, AVP they all have an opportunity to further thier careers here.

 

[signbabybrady]

Mayo's performance to date has been amateurish, verging on incompetent. The nice-guy shtick is wearing thin, and the fact that he is a nice guy ought to have been seen as irrelevant from the start, frankly. He is a people-pleaser, and Robert was obviously successfully pleased, but this has nothing to do with Jarrod's qualifications for the job. An objective look at Mayo's resume does not suggest at all that he is qualified for the position in which he finds himself, and, though it is early - and that is important - his performance to date suggests the the Krafts ought to have attended more closely to the issues with his resume than to his pleasing manner.

It is certainly too early for any definitive judgment, but I am frankly not at all confident this experiment will work out. It may be that he will find his footing once the games begin, but as I have seen no evidence to date which would support this hope, I am skeptical. If I had to make a judgment at this point -something I would resist - I would judge that he is simply not up to the job.

You didn't even come close to resisting anything. If anything it appears you've already made your mind up.

 

[borg]

I just want to know why NE's neophyte HC......aka Thunder's Buddy......didn't possess the basic coaching instinct to walk over to Okafor on the sideline during preseason game #3 and at a minimum coach him up on the rules of lining up correctly, or perhaps tear him a new one for being a mind-numbing simpleton on national TV........over and over again.

I am also curious who will be actually handling clock management during crunch time (if NE ever plays a close scoring game).
I suspect the Kraft installed HC lawyer will be involved somehow....or maybe Jon Jon will be on the mike

 

[Clonamery]

You didn't even come close to resisting anything. If anything it appears you've already made your mind up.

Perhaps a game or 2 played before judgement is cast? Never!!

 

[signbabybrady]

Has nothing to do with race. However I see your point. Has everything to do with having a succession clause in a contract.

Fans will never be happy the same fans wanted Bill gone.

I'm happy with Mayo as a replacement for Bill and I never wanted Bill gone. I don't understand what's going on around here sometimes. Too many people wanted Bill gone and too many people can't even make it through one off-season without him it's so ridiculous.

 

[1960Pats]

I wish we had hired someone who already has the experience. It is absurd for a multi-billion-dollar corporation to put itself in a position to have to provide on-the-job training for a key, top role in management. I share your hope that Mayo can grow into the job, but we ought not to have been put into a position to have to rely upon such a hope. I think this was a foolish hire, and while I hope we might luck out, based on his resume and on his performance to date, I doubt that we will. I understand that it is too early to make a definitive evaluation, but we are discussing the likelihood of Mayo's success, and to this point I see neither in the basis upon which the hire was made nor in the hiree's performance to date any reason to think that success is very likely.

I do not know whether Vrabel was available or not, but if he or some other demonstrably competent and experienced option was available, the Krafts should have hired him. The decision to lock prematurely onto Mayo as the next coach was a foolish, seemingly impulsive decision, based apparently on how pleasant a fellow Mayo seemed to the Krafts at the time and on a hope that a couple of years pushing paper in a finance company would qualify Mayo for a management position in football. I hope it'll work out, but I doubt it. I'd give it a year, then cut our losses.

It doesn't seem like any owners wanted Vrabel. I would have liked him here but for the same reason I like Mayo. He's a former Patriot.

I have no issue with Mayo learning on the fly. That's how every coach learns.

The 2024 Pats have been put in a horrible position and, incredibly, have rookies at many of the coaching and management positions. We need to cut them some slack.

 

[Real fan 02]

I'm happy with Mayo as a replacement for Bill and I never wanted Bill gone. I don't understand what's going on around here sometimes. Too many people wanted Bill gone and too many people can't even make it through one off-season without him it's so ridiculous.

Same here. I don't believe we in our hearts wanted Bill gone. But I believe it became pretty evident as the season wore on I could sense it in bills dressers and his body language. I like mayo and I believe he's a very smart football coach. He's got many years of knowledge from the best to ever do it.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm happy with Mayo as a replacement for Bill and I never wanted Bill gone. I don't understand what's going on around here sometimes. Too many people wanted Bill gone and too many people can't even make it through one off-season without him it's so ridiculous.

I'm happy with Mayo and happy that Bill's gone. Unfortunately, Bill left his mark on the team over his last few years and now, just coming back to decency will be a large hill for the Pats to climb.

 

[Rob0729]

Who knows if Mayo will be a good coach or not, but people overstate his lack of experience.

He only had three less years coaching experience than Sean McVay before they each became head coach. And Mayo had eight years of professional football player experience that McVay didn't have.

Don Shula only coached for five years before he got to be the head coach of the Colts. Bill Cowher only coached for seven years before he became the head coach of the Steelers. The common thread between those two and Mayo is they all had extensive experience as NFL players.

Yes, Mayo has not been a coach for long. But he played for almost a decade. And one of the greatest aspects of his career was described by many that he was like a coach on the field calling defenses and instructing players on the field for their assignments. Despite the lack of coaching experience, he has had extensive experience for this job.

Personally, I would have liked the Patriots to get an offensive coach who brought more of an offensive philosophy. But I am not going to pass judgement on Mayo until he has a chance to prove himself. This year will be tough to judge because he doesn't have a lot to work with with, but you can get some info on how good he is even with a team devoid of talent.

 

[SinceGroganWalkedIn]

If fans can’t see that the intern from optimum is nothing more than a puppet for the krafts he is not qualified to be a dc let alone a hc ….the media in Boston has become soft except for felger who is right on about him …0-17 is in the table

You have no basis for the statement. No argument. Your so far off base, it's mind numbing. Mayo has been highly respected as a player and coach from high school onward. Don't listen to the media if you can't decipher what's BS vs reality. That's the issue here. My goodness.

 

[Ross12]

I just want to know why NE's neophyte HC......aka Thunder's Buddy......didn't possess the basic coaching instinct to walk over to Okafor on the sideline during preseason game #3 and at a minimum coach him up on the rules of lining up correctly, or perhaps tear him a new one for being a mind-numbing simpleton on national TV........over and over again.

I actually wondered if Mayo figured he could address it after the game, since it's pre-season and it doesn't matter, and used this opportunity to evaluate how his team handles and responds to getting backed up/adverse situations etc. I think they actually handled it well (or at least - speaking of Maye specifically). They managed to still find some first down conversions despite the mistakes. And as far as Okorafor looking stupid - that's his problem.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

This is a strange thread. Let’s see how things go. I mean (1) he hasn’t had one game for us to see what’s what (2) the talent level on the squad is iffy (3) the suggestions about his race speak to a troubling trend (4) mayo was always a smart, attentive player. I’m curious to see if that leads to good things.

If you want people to stop saying that race might have been a factor in his hiring, then work to end DEI programs and requirements, such as the Rooney Rule, and work to create an environment where people are hired on the merits. If you say that we can't do that because discrimination is systemic and we need to give preference to certain races, genders, etc., and hire underqualified applicants (or lower standards) to correct past injustice (as many corporations are in fact doing), then you are just proving the point and confirming how appropriate the question is. It's troubling when people act aghast when issues like this are raised, while we are swimming in a sea of DEI propaganda and implementation. "Just shut up, accept it or I'm going to call you a racist." No, not until the best candidates for any role -- male, female, black, white, straight, gay, whatever -- start getting the jobs again. Go ahead and call me a racist: I don't care.

I'm not making any comment regarding Mayo. My gripes with him are inexperience and demeanor. He is just an odd choice to take over after BB. He may have a great season, showing he's a strategic and tactical force to be reckoned with. We shall see.

 

[203Pat]

I was ready for Bill to go and Mayo was certainly not my first choice but I am more than willing to give him a shot. With that being said, he really needs some polish when it comes to talking to the media. Mayo seems to divulge too much information sometimes or stumble around with his words which sometimes comes across as disorganized.

 

[Thelonious]

You didn't even come close to resisting anything. If anything it appears you've already made your mind up.

There is no contradiction between asserting what evidence-to-date suggests on the one hand and indicating an openness to the possibility subsequent facts might indicate the contrary. Many things begin badly but end well, and vice-versa. If you are looking for someone who will bleat fanboy nonsense until doing so becomes untenable, I am not your man. I'm a fan, not a cheerleader. It seems to me there is little objective evidence on the other side of the ledger, aside perhaps from the arguably competent manner is which Mayo handled the Judon matter. If there is more to be said in support of a view that Mayo is doing well to this point, let's hear it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

We should call him Jerod Tomsula!