Jaguar Mac Jones is about to embarrass the genius BB and his all star coaching staff [mod edit: he didn’t]

[signbabybrady]

Hmmm, Bill Russell might argue that. If you judge a player by how much better he was then his peers, then I would vote for Bobby Orr, but his career was too short.

Due respect to Russell and Orr but there's nothing like being a QB that compares and Brady is undeniably the greatest QB.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Agreed. That absolutely buried any chance he had here. It’s like Bill took it as a personal insult that Jones didn’t adapt well to having MP and JJ coach him.

If you look at that second touchdown pass by Mac, note how he hit the WR perfectly; the WR did not have to break stride and the ball came down right in his breadbasket. You cannot throw it any better than that. If Mac ever gets the protection and WRs, he will tear it up.

I can pretty much guarantee that Mac looks better than Trevor Lawrence...when no one is chasing him

 

[Ian]

I don't think personal insult is the right word but I think he definitely found it unprofessional that Mac never gave them a fair chance.

Even with all the experience that AVP has on offense compared to MP and JJ he'd be equally as screwed right now if his QBs expected him to be Josh McD from day one.

Based on what Hoyer said and the rumor about David Andrews calling the entire offense out at one point, telling guys to suck it up and deal, it sounds like the complaints were team-wide. Albeit, how much of a role Mac had in that is unknown, but I know Meyers was amongst the more vocal, as was Bourne, based on what I remember from the press conferences during that summer.

Again, I sort of wonder what Patricia’s response was to it. I feel like rather than go with a “we’re in this together” approach, again, based on the “we’ll deal with that later” Patricia was said to have when questioned on some things, he seemingly just told guys to be quiet and do what they’re told.

Hoyer said at one point the problem is as Patricia hadn’t done what he was trying to teach and guys just had no confidence. So it feels like Patricia’s demeanor - if that’s the case - didn’t help things.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Due respect to Russell and Orr but there's nothing like being a QB that compares and Brady is undeniably the greatest QB.

Ted Williams would be in that conversation also if he had not done two deployment in Korea.
Hmmm, can you tell I am a homer?

 

[signbabybrady]

Based on what Hoyer said and the rumor about David Andrews calling the entire offense out at one point, telling guys to suck it up and deal, it sounds like the complaints were team-wide. Albeit, how much of a role Mac had in that is unknown, but I know Meyers was amongst the more vocal, as was Bourne, based on what I remember from the press conferences during that summer.

Again, I sort of wonder what Patricia’s response was to it. I feel like rather than go with a “we’re in this together” approach, again, based on the “we’ll deal with that later” Patricia was said to have when questioned on some things, he seemingly just told guys to be quiet and do what they’re told.

Hoyer said at one point the problem is as Patricia hadn’t done what he was trying to teach and guys just had no confidence. So it feels like Patricia’s demeanor - if that’s the case - didn’t help things.

Yeah Mac was not the only one doesn't make it right. Everyone was wrong including Bill and MP.

 

[Since1960]

Mac always had a great arm. He was exceptionally accurate and could light up the scoreboard when he playing with an excellent supporting cast. If you don't believe me. watch his tape at 'Bama and his long bombs to Waddle....and that was the problem--he had no Waddle types to throw to and last year he was running for his life. The problem with Jones was he that he could not deal adverse conditions or run around to avoid pressure.

BB is the greatest coach that the Patriots ever had or will have. The problem was the personnel moves, whether by him or ownership and it is starting to look like it was ownership (and BB's blind spot for WRs).

I remember those long bombs his senior year in Alabama but unfortunately the 3 seasons (even the playoff year) the “Red Zone” for the Pats became the “Dead Zone” and it wasn’t due to arm strength - it was “pi$$ poor” QB play…

 

[catent]

I haven’t seen any report that said Jones was the one that created the toxic QB room. If the reports are true about Zappe running his mouth about being a starter then it wouldn’t surprise me if he was a cause of a lot of that toxicity more than Jones.

Can you please link one of these reports of “Zappe running his mouth about being a starter”? I won’t hold my breath.

I’m assuming you mean a player competing for a roster spot (in this case Zappe) saying he’s competing/preparing as if he’s the starter? Is that what you’re referring to?

You won’t find any reports/quotes, whatsoever, of Zappe creating a toxic environment, because he never did.

I get it, you don’t like the guy (seemingly personally, which is perplexing), but you’re entirely inventing a false narrative here.

 

[Thelonious]

I just watched highlights of the game. Mac was genuinely excellent: decisive, decent velocity, moved well.

Bill blew this. In the end, he was a lousy head coach and a worse GM. I don't know why this is controversial. Father Time is undefeated.

 

[mosi's man]

The flip side is also true. The notion that BB was a lousy coach is ridiculous. De be blow it with Mac? Maybe, but he was crucial to the success that Patriots had for twenty years. And he made a great, and I mean great call on Brady at a time when it was in fact, really risky. I watched it all in real time. But did he get old? For sure. We all do. It doesn't diminish his legacy, but it also doesn't mean he didn't screw up with Mac, at least in part. We'll see how it plays out in the next few years.

 

[catent]

Mac's failure here was 1/3 on him, 2/3 on Belichick's pettiness, megalomania, and rage. I wish Mac well. As for Bill, thanks for the memories, but good riddance.

Anytime someone is certain someone else is ‘x’ thing (in this case, petty, megalomaniac, and filled with rage), it’s a pretty good tell that the person lobbing those accusations sees those same traits in themself. Similar to how an experienced butcher will have an eye for the best cut of meat; takes one to know one.

 

[Thelonious]

Anytime someone is certain someone else is ‘x’ thing (in this case, petty, megalomaniac, and filled with rage), it’s a pretty good tell that the person lobbing those accusations sees those same traits in themself. Similar to how an experienced butcher will have an eye for the best cut of meat; takes one to know one.

So that would make you a whinging jackass?

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I just watched highlights of the game. Mac was genuinely excellent: decisive, decent velocity, moved well.

Bill blew this. In the end, he was a lousy head coach and a worse GM. I don't know why this is controversial. Father Time is undefeated.

Can't we just agree he was great for a long time and then wasn't towards the end? The game changes, players change, he was old school when it worked, then it didn't.

 

[Thelonious]

Can't we just agree he was great for a long time and then wasn't towards the end? The game changes, players change, he was old school when it worked, then it didn't.

Yes, absolutely. He was the greatest for a remarkably long time, then he wasn't. It has never been otherwise for anyone great at anything at any time, the only exceptions being those whose lives or careers are cut short by misadventure. I remember once saying to my doctor that I was happy to be as healthy as I was in middle age (This was before my heart attack, lol.) He said,"Everyone is healthy until they are not." He was a wise man, though somewhat lacking in the bedside manner department. We had a good laugh.

 

[Ian]

I just watched highlights of the game. Mac was genuinely excellent: decisive, decent velocity, moved well.

Bill blew this. In the end, he was a lousy head coach and a worse GM. I don't know why this is controversial. Father Time is undefeated.

I really don’t understand why you would say that bolded part. History has certainly proven otherwise.

 

[catent]

I watched the highlights, too. He looked better than he did in New England because he was calm and decisive. Mechanically it still didn’t look great.

I suspect when the pressure is truly on, the bullets are flying for real, and the games matter, we’ll see the indecisive, hesitant, mistake-prone Mac (should he even get an opportunity).

For those who don’t recall, Mac also looked much better in preseason games here, too, presumably because he’s more relaxed; I think it’s very much a mental/emotional thing for him.

 

[sb1]

The flip side is also true. The notion that BB was a lousy coach is ridiculous. De be blow it with Mac? Maybe, but he was crucial to the success that Patriots had for twenty years. And he made a great, and I mean great call on Brady at a time when it was in fact, really risky. I watched it all in real time. But did he get old? For sure. We all do. It doesn't diminish his legacy, but it also doesn't mean he didn't screw up with Mac, at least in part. We'll see how it plays out in the next few years.

Nobody said Bill was always a lousy HC but his last couple of seasons were not good and it was time to go.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Mac Looked great in yesterday's preseason game. 16-23 2 TD's no interceptions. It's only one preseason game (true) but
Amazing what a supportive and non backstabbing coaching staff can do to help a young QB. Joe has a real chance to develop with Pederson into a very good qb.
Maybe fences could have been mended if Bill hadn't thrown this kid under the bus so many times.
Another case of Bill's oversize ego ruining the team. Bill was a pric* with this kid and f'ed him up like he f'ed up the team.

I had advocated for keeping MAC as a backup QB for 24 and seeing how things play out in TC.
Might have allowed Pats to draft Joe Alt or Harrison or Malik Nabors. Or at a minimum been better competition for Maye than Brissett.

If somehow Lawrence goes down and Mac lights it up...it will be yet another huge black eye for "The greatest Coach of All time"
By the way..the greatest coach of all time will end up being "Andy Reid"

I am rooting for:
1. BB to never get the all time wins record
2. not be recognized as greatest head coach of all time
3. Not getting another HC job.


What he did ti the Patriots over the past 5 years was blatant malpractice and his incredibly poor judgment destroyed this franchise. Justice will be for him to not get another job,

Mac had a thing for balls I just didn't jive with as a fan... kicking them... throwing at them... vanilla nut tapping them...

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Can you please link one of these reports of “Zappe running his mouth about being a starter”? I won’t hold my breath.

I’m assuming you mean a player competing for a roster spot (in this case Zappe) saying he’s competing/preparing as if he’s the starter? Is that what you’re referring to?

You won’t find any reports/quotes, whatsoever, of Zappe creating a toxic environment, because he never did.

I get it, you don’t like the guy (seemingly personally, which is perplexing), but you’re entirely inventing a false narrative here.

If Zappe was this malcontent who created the toxic environment of last season then why the F would he still be on the roster anywhere near our two rookie quarterbacks?

 

[Patsgofor4]

Ted Williams would be in that conversation also if he had not done two deployment in Korea.
Hmmm, can you tell I am a homer?

From Bleacher Report:

Williams finished his career with a .344 average, 2,654 hits, 521 home runs and 1,839 RBI. Because he missed time during two different periods of his career, I compiled the numbers for the six years before and after the time he missed from 1942-1945 and then did the same thing for the six years around his absence in 1952 and 1953.

Because Williams did play briefly during the 1952 and 1953 seasons, I did include those numbers when figuring his projected numbers for those years.

If the totals for the five seasons he missed were added to his ledger, Williams would have hit .342 with 3,452 hits, 663 home runs and 2,380 RBI. Those numbers would have lifted him from 69th to sixth in career hits; from 18th to fourth in home runs; and from 13th to first in runs batter in.

(the article was written in 2009, so his place on the all-time lists for each statistic are not all accurate but the overall point is valid)

 

[sb1]

Can you please link one of these reports of “Zappe running his mouth about being a starter”? I won’t hold my breath.

I’m assuming you mean a player competing for a roster spot (in this case Zappe) saying he’s competing/preparing as if he’s the starter? Is that what you’re referring to?

You won’t find any reports/quotes, whatsoever, of Zappe creating a toxic environment, because he never did.

I get it, you don’t like the guy (seemingly personally, which is perplexing), but you’re entirely inventing a false narrative here.

I have no problem with the guy personally.

He does/did seem to have a bit of an ego. Case in point when he shared with a sideline reporter that after he was cut he told BB he knows he will be this team's starter. Giardi (I think it was him) also had a comment implying that Zappe got a little too big for his britches and the QB room was a place to learn.

Some of his most deluded cheerleaders are kinda annoying. That stuff has tapered off thankfully. Funny how reality checks do that.