It's time to move Onwenu back to RT.

[JMC00]

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[State]

LT: Chuks
LG: Sow
C: Andrews
RG: Onwenu
RT: Wallace

I like it. Except for Chuks. You didn’t get the memo, did you? He doesn’t want to be bothered going over to the other side. Too much work making the switch.

Do you think Pittsburgh would have let him go if he were any good?

 

[Zuma]

 

[mgteich]

Another option is to chuck Chucks, start Lowe-Wallace, and sign a backup swing OT or two.

As of now, Chucks is a RT only player.

 

[captain stone]

I wish the coaches had stuck with the Chucky - Wallace - Mister Anderson experiment/competition at Left Tackle like I thought we were told would happen… Instead, they’ve painted themselves into a corner by giving VDLow so many dam snaps there that they now have No Choice but to start him at LT vs the Bungles. I hope our starting QB passed the peripheral vision portion of his most recent eye exam…

 

[State]

What happened between Eliot saying Chuks Okorafor would be the LT1 and his playing RT? Has this been explained? My guess is the fault in with Okorafor.

But it’s clear that as much as they like the quiet, hardworking Lowe with the excellent length and good power, he simply lacks the quick feet.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

chuks/wallace - sow - andrews - robinson - onwenu would be my preference unless someone proves reliable at rt and allows onwenu to stay at rg. But this would seem to leave us with just one weaker spot if robinson is ready to go and i feel like thats easier to work around than 2 tackle spots weakened

 

[Family]

Sow was running with the ones at RT by the end of preseason. He started every game he was healthy. That's not false, it's what happened. Sow played the third most snaps on the entire offense last year. When Onwenu came back Sow was out with a concussion... he didn't get "shuffled out."

He got moved from right tackle to guard because Strange and Onwenu missed game one. Mafi was the other guard in that game. They had an injury nightmare in week one. Trent Brown and Anderson played tackle because it was the best option available to them at that time. Sow came back from injury and they needed a guard at that time so he played guard.

You are correct.; I forgot about the concussion. Sow missed those games because of the injury.

But to say he won any tackle job is ridiculous. Sow was in a tryout and the preference was his development over jags like Lowe, McDermott, and whatever else there was. It was so bad, I think they had to move him to left tackle during a preseason game. They literally had no one else to play the position. Didn't Bill Murray even play a half at RT last year in preseason?

77% of Onwenu's snaps were at tackle in 2023. Sow is developing into a good guard, but he isn't better than Onwenu. So even though Onwenu is still not a good enough tackle to be permanent at that position (forget the crap about the interior line, tackles are more important) Sow isn't even trusted to get even one more look at tackle.

That doesn't sound like any player who won that job less than a year ago.

 

[borg]

Eliot Wolf on Patriots offensive line: I believe we have the pieces to compete

After the Patriots played the Eagles on Thursday night, head coach Jerod Mayo was asked about the team's offensive line play and he said we "have to get better as a whole, as a unit" before the regular season.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[upstater1]

I wish the coaches had stuck with the Chucky - Wallace - Mister Anderson experiment/competition at Left Tackle like I thought we were told would happen… Instead, they’ve painted themselves into a corner by giving VDLow so many dam snaps there that they now have No Choice but to start him at LT vs the Bungles. I hope our starting QB passed the peripheral vision portion of his most recent eye exam…

They obviously believe Lowe is better.

They may be wrong. If they're wrong, we have bigger problems than Lowe.

 

[Water Boy]

Not sure why we would have drafted Robinson in the 4th if moving Onwenu to RT wasn't on the table. Sow Andrews Robinson Onwenu could be 4/5th of a very good unit.

 

[javajunky]

What I think the coaching staff sees:

LT Lowe RT Okarafor Swing Wallace
LG Sow RG Onwenu Swing Robinson
C Anderson Backup ???
PS: Jordan ???

I hope Strong is our future center, and we can pick up someone good during cutdowns. With all the injuries over a 17-game season, I bet even Jordan will earn a few snaps.

 

[mgteich]

Not sure why we would have drafted Robinson in the 4th if moving Onwenu to RT wasn't on the table. Sow Andrews Robinson Onwenu could be 4/5th of a very good unit.

We drafted Robinson because Mafi sucks big time. It is the simple.

But yes, drafting Robinson gave the team the option to move Onwenu to RT at any time.
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BTW, this is quite a discussion. When Robinson was drafted, folks here didn't that he would ever start. Many here were suggesting that he wouldn't make the 53.

 

[Wozzy]

You are correct.; I forgot about the concussion. Sow missed those games because of the injury.

But to say he won any tackle job is ridiculous. Sow was in a tryout and the preference was his development over jags like Lowe, McDermott, and whatever else there was. It was so bad, I think they had to move him to left tackle during a preseason game. They literally had no one else to play the position. Didn't Bill Murray even play a half at RT last year in preseason?

77% of Onwenu's snaps were at tackle in 2023. Sow is developing into a good guard, but he isn't better than Onwenu. So even though Onwenu is still not a good enough tackle to be permanent at that position (forget the crap about the interior line, tackles are more important) Sow isn't even trusted to get even one more look at tackle.

That doesn't sound like any player who won that job less than a year ago.

Didn’t say “better than Onwenu” at any point. As good as Onwenu is possible, Mike got benched in year two for Ted Karras because he had a bad stretch. Rookies have to develop and have peaks and valleys.

Onwenu can play tackle or guard, Sow can also, many great lineman can play both. Saying he can’t or failed was a figment of your imagination, they moved him to guard by necessity. Injuries happen…

 

[PatsFan2]

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Yeah if Lowe is going to struggle I would rather go with the Rookie he can't be any worse. My Ideal rotation would be...

Wallace - Strange - Andrews - Soy - Onwenu

 

[Family]

Onwenu can play tackle or guard, Sow can also, many great lineman can play both. Saying he can’t or failed was a figment of your imagination, they moved him to guard by necessity. Injuries happen…

How was it necessity when Onwenu (coming back from injury) had to leave the position he excels at to play tackle, when Sow had supposedly won that job just a few weeks earlier?

 

[Wozzy]

How was it necessity when Onwenu (coming back from injury) had to leave the position he excels at to play tackle, when Sow had supposedly won that job just a few weeks earlier?

They had injuries all across the board, they never stopped. Trent Brown at left tackle and Onwenu at right was the little consistency they had. Onwenu missed game one, so did Strange… it only got worse from there. Sticking a rookie at tackle at that point wasn’t smart. The point is “Sow failed” never happened.

 

[Family]

They had injuries all across the board, they never stopped. Trent Brown at left tackle and Onwenu at right was the little consistency they had. Onwenu missed game one, so did Strange… it only got worse from there. Sticking a rookie at tackle at that point wasn’t smart. The point is “Sow failed” never happened.

The Sow experiment, not Sow, failed. He should have never been put in that position.

With our tackles as miserable as any in the league, the team would rather move a better guard (I'm saying it) to tackle, than continue the Sow experiment into this training camp.

If he won the starting job last year, which is the original discussion, they would at least have given Sow a look at tackle in camp.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I like it. Except for Chuks. You didn’t get the memo, did you? He doesn’t want to be bothered going over to the other side. Too much work making the switch.

Do you think Pittsburgh would have let him go if he were any good?

"Good" is subjective, but here's the situation for Okorafor in PIT

1) He was set to make $8.75M this year, which is a decent chunk of change
2) He got benched last year for their 1st round pick at RT in Broderick Jones
3) Their LT, Dan Moore Jr., is/was a better player who's seen as a high end backup/weak starter
4) PIT also went on to address the OT spot position further in the draft

Ultimately, I think PIT felt they had 1 starter in Broderick Jones (or at least someone they wanted to start due to draft picks). Behind them, it seems they felt they had 2 quality backup level players but not ideal as starters. The lesser of those 2 players was Okorafor and he was also more expensive. They also obviously felt it was a position they'd be able to address starter level in the draft with the 1st rounder, hence him getting cut.

Looking at the facts and circumstances around Okorafor getting cut, I don't think you can chalk it up to him just being terrible. I do think there were other considerations at play to where he got cut because while a decent, roster-worthy player, he just didn't fit their team on the cap sheet for where he'd be on the depth chart.

My guess is if we're forced to rely on him at RT, we'll look at him as someone we need to replace but it won't be the end of the world level bad.

 

[Wozzy]

The Sow experiment, not Sow, failed. He should have never been put in that position.

With our tackles as miserable as any in the league, the team would rather move a better guard (I'm saying it) to tackle, than continue the Sow experiment into this training camp.

If he won the starting job last year, which is the original discussion, they would at least have given Sow a look at tackle in camp.

He played the last two preseason games with the starters at right tackle. Injuries changed the plan in week one. That’s not a failure.