Fear of Maye getting hurt is a dumb reason to not give him snaps

[Wozzy]

There's also the reality that "the fans" views and emotional needs are not a reflection of the fans that speak out on social media. That's a very small, narrowly defined group that in no way represents the whole.

We know that also, good point. The media is also driving a lot of this nonsense.

 

[Schmo]

I think it should be a normal qb depth chart progression. Brissett is the #1. If he helps us win games, he stays there. If he starts losing us games, we go to our #2 qb. If that's a disaster, we go back to Brissett, then start working in our #3.

A part of the NFL qb learning curve is learning how to handle the pass rush. Guys are much faster and stronger at this level. It's only logical that if Maye doesn't have the ability to handle a leaky O line, assuming we have a leaky O line, then he doesn't start right away.

I wish Mac had the chance to learn a little bit by watching, and then get the chance to play with all the confidence he had entering the league.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Im so sick of this false narrative that a weak oline somehow breaks Rookie QBs from being great players.

Zach Wilson in 17 games his rookie season was sacked 44 times. Sam Darnold in 16 games was sacked 30 times his rookie year.

Brady his first year playing was sacked 41 times in only 14 games.

Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold weren't destroyed by having a weak oline, they just suck.

Zach and Sam only played 13 reg season games as rookies. Three and a half sacks a game sounds pretty awful. Darnold experienced a 24.6% pressure rate and ZWilson 30.6% (30.5% last year - all per Reference). Howell who was sacked 65 times last year just faced 22.7%, and Mac and Zap just over 20% at the worst. That's how awful the Jets' OLine has been... getting pressured once almost every 3 snaps sounds terrible... I hope it continues.

 

[Froob]

@ Cincinnati
Seattle
@ NYJ
@ SF

Brisset needs to win a least 1 of these games or else Maye is in.

I think there’s a real possibility we start 0-8. Don’t see a game in the first half I feel good about.

 

[Hyped]

Read that Brissett said that game was about making the play calls and communicating clearly.

Maye had two set screen passes when the defender was in his face...and executed then well.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I think there’s a real possibility we start 0-8. Don’t see a game in the first half I feel good about.

Need the best Tackle in the draft next year.

 

[Ring 6]

Fans are impatient. Let Maye develop. He’s a man-child.

Brissett wasn’t brought in to hold a clipboard.

Brissett should hold a clipboard. Maye wasn’t drafted to hold a clipboard

 

[Ring 6]

Maye will be on the sideline for between 5-15 games.

That would be just another negligent move by the new leadership.

 

[Ring 6]

The fact that Mahomes, Brady etc. sat for their first year doesn't mean it helped them. There is no way of knowing that.

Plenty of QB's have succeeded as first year starters.

For entertainment value alone Maye should start.

And the team needs to get a read on Maye as soon as possible. If he sits this year while the team has another terrible season, it would be a disaster to not take another QB at the top of next year's draft if Maye ends up eventually being a bust.

Everything Maye could learn without he would learn while playing, just much faster. The amount of experience he has both with the 1s in practice and on the field on game day will dictate how ready he is next year.
We have already thrown this year away, so getting every down of experience possible for Maye should be priority #1. There is no reason to hold him back.

 

[Ring 6]

41 counts a little more in a 14 game season. (Or was it already 16?; still <17+).

I don’t buy the „it has nothing to do w the OL argument „. Everything plays into it; including the coaching.

Your limited sample size doesn’t bolster your case either. Taking the GOAT who started his career in Year 2 behind a decent if not good OL and then comparing to two guys who got the yips in year 1 behind crap.

Regardless, I doubt it can be proven either way. You have to extrapolate out WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN. We all can imagine different outcomes.

I just think the history is that of guys sitting 1/2 to whole year having more success than those who don’t. So no issue w taking Maye slow.

The proof is common sense. You get better at football by playing football and there is nothing you can learn or develop while sitting out that you wouldn’t also do while playing.

 

[gobesmug]

41 counts a little more in a 14 game season. (Or was it already 16?; still <17+).

I don’t buy the „it has nothing to do w the OL argument „. Everything plays into it; including the coaching.

Your limited sample size doesn’t bolster your case either. Taking the GOAT who started his career in Year 2 behind a decent if not good OL and then comparing to two guys who got the yips in year 1 behind crap.

Regardless, I doubt it can be proven either way. You have to extrapolate out WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN. We all can imagine different outcomes.

I just think the history is that of guys sitting 1/2 to whole year having more success than those who don’t. So no issue w taking Maye slow.

Brady got sacked more than those guys on a game played per ave. Brady didn't start the first 2 games which is why he only started 14. It was still a 16 game season at that time. Again he got sacked more.

There are plenty of examples like again Drew Bress being trash his first 3 seasons despite playing behind a good oline in SD.

Here is a blind example for 2 players through their first 5 seasons as a starter.

Player A
Year 1: 41 sacks
Year 2: 32 sacks
Year 3: 27 sacks
Year 4: 15 sacks in 7 games. Making it mid 30s over 16 games
Year 5: 41 sacks

Player B
Year 1: 34 sacks
Year 2: 50 sacks
Year 3: 31 sacks
Year 4: 36 sacks
Year 5: 51 sacks

Player A in 5 seasons was sacked 156 times. Player B in that same time frame was sacked 202 times.

Want to guess who player A is and who player B is?

 

[gobesmug]

Zach and Sam only played 13 reg season games as rookies. Three and a half sacks a game sounds pretty awful. Darnold experienced a 24.6% pressure rate and ZWilson 30.6% (30.5% last year - all per Reference). Howell who was sacked 65 times last year just faced 22.7%, and Mac and Zap just over 20% at the worst. That's how awful the Jets' OLine has been... getting pressured once almost every 3 snaps sounds terrible... I hope it continues.

I hope it continues as well but it's not the reason why Zach and Darnold are bad QBs

 

[gobesmug]

The proof is common sense. You get better at football by playing football and there is nothing you can learn or develop while sitting out that you wouldn’t also do while playing.

Maye should start if he looks ready and out plays Brissett. Milton should start if he outplayed both Maye and Brissett.

Not claiming Milton is outplayed or will. Just that whoever makes the Pats better on the field is the one whom should start.

 

[Ring 6]

Maye should start if he looks ready and out plays Brissett. Milton should start if he outplayed both Maye and Brissett.

Not claiming Milton is outplayed or will. Just that whoever makes the Pats better on the field is the one whom should start.

I disagree. Maye is the QB of this team. We have already pissed away any chance to win this year so his development is all that matters at the qb position. He develops faster and better by playing. If he isn’t the best QB today he will be soon.

 

[gobesmug]

I disagree. Maye is the QB of this team. We have already pissed away any chance to win this year so his development is all that matters at the qb position. He develops faster and better by playing. If he isn’t the best QB today he will be soon.

But it's already been proven true that waiting a year does nothing to hurt a QB.

Both Brady and Kurt Warner won a superbowl their first year starting. Warner his first year had his best season statistically and won the MVP.

You wanting Maye to start has nothing to do with him progressing sooner but your own desire to watch him sooner.

Patience my friend, Patience

 

[jdlboot14]

I also have to say "I told you so" about Bo Nix potentially being the best QB of this class.
He's ready to play, mature, steady, pro-style. Just watch.

I was banging the drum to trade down to get Nix & a LT

 

[Ring 6]

But it's already been proven true that waiting a year does nothing to hurt a QB.

Both Brady and Kurt Warner won a superbowl their first year starting. Warner his first year had his best season statistically and won the MVP.

You wanting Maye to start has nothing to do with him progressing sooner but your own desire to watch him sooner.

Patience my friend, Patience

No it hadn’t been proven. Those players wood have been even better had they had experience.

Huh? My reason has been, every single time I have commented that the reason he needs to play is that you get better at football by playing football and this season has already been tanked so his experience is the priority.

I’m already playing for 2026 and the new coaching staff, I’m the most patient person here.

 

[Ring 6]

I also have to say "I told you so" about Bo Nix potentially being the best QB of this class.
He's ready to play, mature, steady, pro-style. Just watch.

I was banging the drum to trade down to get Nix & a LT

You can’t say I told you so the second time you predict something that hasn’t happened yet.

 

[gobesmug]

No it hadn’t been proven. Those players wood have been even better had they had experience.

Huh? My reason has been, every single time I have commented that the reason he needs to play is that you get better at football by playing football and this season has already been tanked so his experience is the priority.

I’m already playing for 2026 and the new coaching staff, I’m the most patient person here.

But that's wrong, Warners best season was his first year starting. He won the superbowl and won the MVP. He threw for 41 TDs and his best statistical year.

Joe Montana, Brady and Mahomes all waited until they started. Same with Johnny Unitus.

If Maye is going to be great, waiting this year won't stop him from winning the MVP next year and winning the superbowl as prover with Warner

 

[Ring 6]

But that's wrong, Warners best season was his first year starting. He won the superbowl and won the MVP. He threw for 41 TDs and his best statistical year.

Joe Montana, Brady and Mahomes all waited until they started. Same with Johnny Unitus.

If Maye is going to be great, waiting this year won't stop him from winning the MVP next year and winning the superbowl as prover with Warner

Are you honestly telling me Warner never improved with experience? Come on.

The fact that some good players sat doesn’t mean they were good players because they sat.

We are in a unique situation where even if Maye isn’t ready to play we have nothing to lose by getting him through the growing pains and getting him experience. We haven’t even tried to build a team that can win.

So if one guy did it once that’s proof everyone can? Bizarre take