The Drake Maye Discussion Thread

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Unless JB is playing at a career level Maye will be starting by week 6 or sooner. If JB isn't playing at top 12ish level and Maye isn't starting. Then we should be worried. Traditionally rookie QB's always end up starting if the guy in front of them is mediocre-average. With few exceptions - Favre (Miller), McNair (Chandler) - these guys had very good/great qbs in front of them Rivers (Brees), Rodgers (Favre), Love (Rodgers). In the past 40 years or so theres been almost 80 1st RD QB drafted and only a handful passed under 100 attempts. Most are above. You have guys like Steve Young, Warner, Romo etc but if you're a young QB with a mediocre vet in front of you, you usually start.

We'll know immediately how capable Maye is is and where his potential is really at. I'm a big fan, him and Williams were the only guys I'd take that early. I think he'll be a good-great one.

So I’m not completely crazy on thinking I should target
Drake over Daniels in my dynasty league?

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I be didn’t say he couldn’t learn the offense, I said he hasn’t learned it. And I didn’t say anything about the offensive line being better with Brissett, I said it has many questions about it. I realize you don’t give a **** about any of these things, you just want him to start, but they could easily ruin him the same way the Jets and others have ruined many a young QB, by rushing them onto the field because their fans are so hard up for a win that they can’t restrain themselves, but I, and many others, think that’s a terrible idea, and none of your arguments to just throw him out there have changed that one bit.

I have said before
I think Maye will be the best QB when the season starts
The bigger question is since he is going to potentially be the franchise and has the variables
What is best for the development of this young kid
That could go either way

Since Wolfe seems to be following what he learned in GB through his Dad and staff
GB sits their QB’s. I know their youngins sat behind Favre and Rodgers
But I think they draft them a year or two early to get a good read and developmental experience with them before they throw them to the wolves.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Maye should beat out a journeyman QB who is 18-30 as a starter. The only reason I'd give a pass if he doesn't play right away is because of what we've heard how "raw" he is and how bad this roster is - which it is. With that said, If Brissett ends up the starter, I don't think he'll be playing very long as there's a very good possibility they are 0-5 right out of the gate.

Agreed

That schedule is brutal for the entire season. Seahawks at home is their best best for their first W. I've never been a fan of Brissett and I think fans/media will be calling for his benching by week 3.

I see two halfs here split evenly. First half could be brutal if Houston is still ascending and Bengals are back to a real playoff team.
Week 1Cincinnati Bengals (A)
Week 2Seattle Seahawks (H)
Week 3New York Jets (A)
Week 4San Francisco 49ers (A)
Week 5Miami Dolphins (H)
Week 6Houston Texans (H)
Week 7Jacksonville Jaguars (A)
Week 8New York Jets (H)

We get 3 rookies or 2nd year starters. The Chargers and Cards who have been very beatable the past two years.
Week 9Tennessee Titans (A)
Week 10Chicago Bears (A)
Week 11Los Angeles Rams (H)
Week 12Miami Dolphins (A)
Week 13Indianapolis Colts (H)
Week 14Bye
Week 15Arizona Cardinals (H)
Week 16Buffalo Bills (A)
Week 17Los Angeles Chargers (H)
Week 18Buffalo Bills (H)

Bills could need both those games though which makes it tough. I still like the > 4.5 though.

The opinion that Maye is going to sit the entire season which many on this board have been saying are being unrealistic because of the examples you provided above.

yea thats not happening. Hes playing sooner than later unless we're 5-2 or something like that.

So I’m not completely crazy on thinking I should target
Drake over Daniels in my dynasty league?

I think Daniels could have real success in this league but it'll be volatile and inconsistent. I think Maye is the better QB and better runner.

I would

 

[VJCPatriot]

I like our QB room a lot better now than I did this time last season.

It also sounds like Brissett has the respect of the other QBs. And the young ones are just trying to get better each day.

Jacoby seems to know his role. He is the veteran mentor and supports the other guys too.

Via Kalia Butler:

 

[n1997y]

I like our QB room a lot better now than I did this time last season.

It also sounds like Brissett has the respect of the other QBs. And the young ones are just trying to get better each day.

Jacoby seems to know his role. He is the veteran mentor and supports the other guys too.

Jacoby is stepping up and providing leadership. Mentoring by example.

Jacoby Brissett wanted to hold throwing sessions before Patriots training camp. Everyone showed up. - The Boston Globe

 

[pazrul72]

Agreed

I see two halfs here split evenly. First half could be brutal if Houston is still ascending and Bengals are back to a real playoff team.
Week 1Cincinnati Bengals (A)
Week 2Seattle Seahawks (H)
Week 3New York Jets (A)
Week 4San Francisco 49ers (A)
Week 5Miami Dolphins (H)
Week 6Houston Texans (H)
Week 7Jacksonville Jaguars (A)
Week 8New York Jets (H)

We get 3 rookies or 2nd year starters. The Chargers and Cards who have been very beatable the past two years.
Week 9Tennessee Titans (A)
Week 10Chicago Bears (A)
Week 11Los Angeles Rams (H)
Week 12Miami Dolphins (A)
Week 13Indianapolis Colts (H)
Week 14Bye
Week 15Arizona Cardinals (H)
Week 16Buffalo Bills (A)
Week 17Los Angeles Chargers (H)
Week 18Buffalo Bills (H)

Bills could need both those games though which makes it tough. I still like the > 4.5 though.

yea thats not happening. Hes playing sooner than later unless we're 5-2 or something like that.

I think Daniels could have real success in this league but it'll be volatile and inconsistent. I think Maye is the better QB and better runner.

I would

As someone who thinks Maye should and will be sitting until the bye allow me to defend the thought process. I love Maye as a prospect and think he is going to be really really good, pre draft i said he would be the only one i would have taken if the Pats had had pick #1. I have no doubt he is going to be if not already a more talented QB then Brisset. However, He is only 21 and the jump from college to the NFL includes alot more then just on the field stuff. He has a long throwing motion and some minor footwork issues that given a couple months to work on would be very helpful IMO without the pressure of starting and having to win. Being able to go against the pats defense everyday in practice hopefully helps him with the speed increase and adjust his mindset of what he can and can not get away with against NFL corners. Kid has an absolute cannon and im sure he has gotten away with late reads or just being able to gun it in to a covered guy cuz his arm is just that good. The margin of error has just gone way down and id rather him throw 20 picks in practice then in games learning that.
All of that said the biggest reason i want him to sit has zero to do with the QB position at all. I want to see the new offense all on the same page doing what they are supposed to. This year i think regardless of QB they are winning 5-8 games. IMO this is an evaluation year and i want the vet who isnt as explosive and wont win you games, but does the right thing 90% of the time so you can see who else on the team is doing the right thing for next year. Too many mistakes you are getting cut and replaced so next year when Maye is ready so is the rest of the team. I want to see the offensive line be adequate and not get whoever is under center killed. I like Brisket, good guy, great teammate, and steady, but its a one year contract and if he gets hurt im going to be like damn, that sucks, oh well, next! If Maye gets seriously hurt im going to be pissed. Because its completely unnecessary and avoidable.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ian, I hate your take what if our young WRs are the real deal you want noodle arm Biscuit throwing to them?? I know I don't.

That’s no way to speak to the Demi God who owns this site. One click of my mouse and I could render you non existent.

 

[PatsFan2]

That’s no way to speak to the Demi God who owns this site. One click of my mouse and I could render you non existent.

 

[Huckleberry1]

And can count on at least 1 INT per game.

So what, they aren’t going to the playoffs this year. I would love to see them winning games, but not at the expense of building for their future in the smartest way possible. This season is a bridge season, where they keep figuring out who to keep, and who won’t cut it, learn a new offensive system, and start building their OL for the future, it isn’t a win now or else season. Front office’s that don’t understand where there team is really at are the front office that pick in the top 5 year after year after………

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Part of supporting Maye is being patient. This will take time.

Karen Guregian writes, "Three practices in, Maye hasn’t exactly lit it up. He’s been up and down. He’s shown flashes of his talent, making several noteworthy throws. But he’s also made mistakes.
Friday’s practice was arguably his worst. He missed a snap count. He threw a bad pick. And, he was so off-target on several throws, that it was tough to tell the intended target."

It will take time.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

As someone who thinks Maye should and will be sitting until the bye allow me to defend the thought process. I love Maye as a prospect and think he is going to be really really good, pre draft i said he would be the only one i would have taken if the Pats had had pick #1. I have no doubt he is going to be if not already a more talented QB then Brisset. However, He is only 21 and the jump from college to the NFL includes alot more then just on the field stuff. He has a long throwing motion and some minor footwork issues that given a couple months to work on would be very helpful IMO without the pressure of starting and having to win. Being able to go against the pats defense everyday in practice hopefully helps him with the speed increase and adjust his mindset of what he can and can not get away with against NFL corners. Kid has an absolute cannon and im sure he has gotten away with late reads or just being able to gun it in to a covered guy cuz his arm is just that good. The margin of error has just gone way down and id rather him throw 20 picks in practice then in games learning that.
All of that said the biggest reason i want him to sit has zero to do with the QB position at all. I want to see the new offense all on the same page doing what they are supposed to. This year i think regardless of QB they are winning 5-8 games. IMO this is an evaluation year and i want the vet who isnt as explosive and wont win you games, but does the right thing 90% of the time so you can see who else on the team is doing the right thing for next year. Too many mistakes you are getting cut and replaced so next year when Maye is ready so is the rest of the team. I want to see the offensive line be adequate and not get whoever is under center killed. I like Brisket, good guy, great teammate, and steady, but its a one year contract and if he gets hurt im going to be like damn, that sucks, oh well, next! If Maye gets seriously hurt im going to be pissed. Because its completely unnecessary and avoidable.

Great, great post. I am not sure Maye's footwork issues are "minor".

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

As someone who thinks Maye should and will be sitting until the bye allow me to defend the thought process. I love Maye as a prospect and think he is going to be really really good, pre draft i said he would be the only one i would have taken if the Pats had had pick #1. I have no doubt he is going to be if not already a more talented QB then Brisset. However, He is only 21 and the jump from college to the NFL includes alot more then just on the field stuff. He has a long throwing motion and some minor footwork issues that given a couple months to work on would be very helpful IMO without the pressure of starting and having to win. Being able to go against the pats defense everyday in practice hopefully helps him with the speed increase and adjust his mindset of what he can and can not get away with against NFL corners. Kid has an absolute cannon and im sure he has gotten away with late reads or just being able to gun it in to a covered guy cuz his arm is just that good. The margin of error has just gone way down and id rather him throw 20 picks in practice then in games learning that.
All of that said the biggest reason i want him to sit has zero to do with the QB position at all. I want to see the new offense all on the same page doing what they are supposed to. This year i think regardless of QB they are winning 5-8 games. IMO this is an evaluation year and i want the vet who isnt as explosive and wont win you games, but does the right thing 90% of the time so you can see who else on the team is doing the right thing for next year. Too many mistakes you are getting cut and replaced so next year when Maye is ready so is the rest of the team. I want to see the offensive line be adequate and not get whoever is under center killed. I like Brisket, good guy, great teammate, and steady, but its a one year contract and if he gets hurt im going to be like damn, that sucks, oh well, next! If Maye gets seriously hurt im going to be pissed. Because its completely unnecessary and avoidable.

As someone who's been harping about his footwork pre-draft. I will say it's very real, his footwork was bad. I know we had a few posters trying to downplay it but its been poor. It's not overblown, he's been working on it for years with former pros. So you'd like him to be further along but I'll a little context as I did pre-draft.
Maye played in an air raid variation that didn't necessarily ask him for precise footwork. No coach will ever say "we don't care about footwork" or w/e. Every coach wants their qb to have great footwork but I don't think most fans know the coaches on at the facility are their to A) install w/e the HC wants
B) win. Year 1 is "hey we don't care how good your release is off the line, this is how we do it here and this is what we expect." They're not necessary there to improve rather install. You produce and usually you'll get more freedom year two.
Point I'm making is now that it's a priority, I expect to see an improvement for a few reasons. The fact that will it be a bigger focus in practice, in general, semi-live action is big. The fact that is has to do it. It's part of his script now. Will play s big role or should.

The other big issue was his inability to avoid pressure even if it was a single rusher. He just always found him next to pressure even in a clean pocket. That will drive his OL crazy.

I get what you and a lot of posters are saying. It's not illogical but at the same time this year is all about seeing what we have regardless of expectations or w/e. It's about seeing the flashes and making sure they're there. The flaws aren't going away overnight but you want to see flashes of "ok our record sucks, his TD/INT ratio isn't great but man this kid looks like a future all-pro with some tlc."

I looked at the history briefly and there's few examples of qbs being great that stay behind a guy they should beat out. I definitely won't be happy if Maye doesn't push JB aside sooner than later.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

As someone who's been harping about his footwork pre-draft. I will say it's very real, his footwork was bad. I know we had a few posters trying to downplay it but its been poor. It's not overblown, he's been working on it for years with former pros. So you'd like him to be further along but I'll a little context as I did pre-draft.
Maye played in an air raid variation that didn't necessarily ask him for precise footwork. No coach will ever say "we don't care about footwork" or w/e. Every coach wants their qb to have great footwork but I don't think most fans know the coaches on at the facility are their to A) install w/e the HC wants
B) win. Year 1 is "hey we don't care how good your release is off the line, this is how we do it here and this is what we expect." They're not necessary there to improve rather install. You produce and usually you'll get more freedom year two.
Point I'm making is now that it's a priority, I expect to see an improvement for a few reasons. The fact that will it be a bigger focus in practice, in general, semi-live action is big. The fact that is has to do it. It's part of his script now. Will play s big role or should.

The other big issue was his inability to avoid pressure even if it was a single rusher. He just always found him next to pressure even in a clean pocket. That will drive his OL crazy.

I get what you and a lot of posters are saying. It's not illogical but at the same time this year is all about seeing what we have regardless of expectations or w/e. It's about seeing the flashes and making sure they're there. The flaws aren't going away overnight but you want to see flashes of "ok our record sucks, his TD/INT ratio isn't great but man this kid looks like a future all-pro with some tlc."

I looked at the history briefly and there's few examples of qbs being great that stay behind a guy they should beat out. I definitely won't be happy if Maye doesn't push JB aside sooner than later.

Even with the expected limitations, the re-introduction of big play capability will help offset any growing pains. Last year the Pats had 1 passing TD over 30 yards all season and it was to the blocking TE. 21 interceptions with 1 big passing TD is a very low bar for someone with Maye's obvious physical ability. The other key is Maye establishing himself as a leader who is resilient in the face of adversity.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Even with the expected limitations, the re-introduction of big play capability will help offset any growing pains. Last year the Pats had 1 passing TD over 30 yards all season and it was to the blocking TE. 21 interceptions with 1 big passing TD is a very low bar for someone with Maye's obvious physical ability. The other key is Maye establishing himself as a leader who is resilient in the face of adversity.

Exactly.

You'll take real fashes of his highs or potential vs the lows. Including the leadership aspect. JB is a well liked and respected QB. You could do a lot worse but again if Maye is playing anywhere like a top 5 pick you'd be crazy not to live with lows.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Even with the expected limitations, the re-introduction of big play capability will help offset any growing pains. Last year the Pats had 1 passing TD over 30 yards all season and it was to the blocking TE. 21 interceptions with 1 big passing TD is a very low bar for someone with Maye's obvious physical ability. The other key is Maye establishing himself as a leader who is resilient in the face of adversity.

Nice stat. We need more posters bringing up stuff like this.

 

[pazrul72]

As someone who's been harping about his footwork pre-draft. I will say it's very real, his footwork was bad. I know we had a few posters trying to downplay it but its been poor. It's not overblown, he's been working on it for years with former pros. So you'd like him to be further along but I'll a little context as I did pre-draft.
Maye played in an air raid variation that didn't necessarily ask him for precise footwork. No coach will ever say "we don't care about footwork" or w/e. Every coach wants their qb to have great footwork but I don't think most fans know the coaches on at the facility are their to A) install w/e the HC wants
B) win. Year 1 is "hey we don't care how good your release is off the line, this is how we do it here and this is what we expect." They're not necessary there to improve rather install. You produce and usually you'll get more freedom year two.
Point I'm making is now that it's a priority, I expect to see an improvement for a few reasons. The fact that will it be a bigger focus in practice, in general, semi-live action is big. The fact that is has to do it. It's part of his script now. Will play s big role or should.

The other big issue was his inability to avoid pressure even if it was a single rusher. He just always found him next to pressure even in a clean pocket. That will drive his OL crazy.

I get what you and a lot of posters are saying. It's not illogical but at the same time this year is all about seeing what we have regardless of expectations or w/e. It's about seeing the flashes and making sure they're there. The flaws aren't going away overnight but you want to see flashes of "ok our record sucks, his TD/INT ratio isn't great but man this kid looks like a future all-pro with some tlc."

I looked at the history briefly and there's few examples of qbs being great that stay behind a guy they should beat out. I definitely won't be happy if Maye doesn't push JB aside sooner than later.

I get all the reasons his footwork isnt the greatest, im even fine with it due to all the other things he brings, the arm, the athleticism, the aggression and desire to push the ball down the field. I agree its going to be a point of focus and expect some big improvement but when does he get the TLC to be an all pro if he is under live fire expected to be competitive? Those conditions have a tendency to bring out muscle memory bad habits which doesnt take into account he needs to be faster at everything, processing, making reads, IDing protections. Its ALOT. I mean i know he has been doing it for years, football is football, but the NFL is a whole nother level.

The way i relate is i was always really really good at math in HS, have almost a calculator in my head and do mental math in seconds. I got to college and the first couple semesters were more of the same A's and B's without even trying. Then i got to a semester with Calculus on the docket. Holy F#$% that hurt my brain, for the first time i had to study and deep dive into concepts. I failed the first time i took it and barely squeeked out a c- the 2nd time.

I'm looking at a 21 year old kid who everything has been easy for because he is just so damn athletic with a cannon arm. He is going to be in for that same rude awakening i got from calculus when everyone is damn good. Lot of super talented atletes and the difference between a JAG and an All Pro is how much you want it, how hard you study, and do you have the mental fortitude to bring your A game week in and week out.

Im not arguing that Maye isnt already probably a better QB then Brisket and the offense would be more explosive with higher stats almost across the board. That doesnt sound crazy to me at all, im saying for the long term health of the franchise and for Maye to meet his full potential a year where he isnt graded, isnt expected to give weekly press conferences, and has a tutor showing him how its done in the NFL would be huge and is worth "sucking" for a year. Plus think of having 4-5 momths of chemistry with his WRs before the bullets start flying for real.

Also i dont think they are going to complete suck this year, i think people forget how many injuries they had last year and how bad the QB situation was. Even with Brisket last year they win the Indy and Giants games. Take away the mind numbingly stupid interceptions and just that alone accounts for 2-4 more wins.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Drake Maye makes a nice long distance connection to Boutte in training camp.



The throw was clean and showed off his arm talent. But were those little foot movements before the throw necessary or is that something he should look to clean up for a faster release?

 

[sb1]

lol. That is all

 

[catent]

lol. That is all

Yeah, and you were laughing too when folks said the same thing about the actual Mac Jones, refusing to accept what our eyes were telling us (that he was playing the QB position tremendously poorly). You liked Mac, you rooted for him, you wanted him to succeed, and (despite all the evidence indicating otherwise) you continued to insist he was a nonissue and playing fine (which was obviously not the case). Mac Jones is no longer on the team.

Drake Maye - who folks understandably are rooting hard for - is not looking great (albeit in his rookie season, very early in TC) and you're sarcastically dismissing the same type of reporting indicating that the QB position isn't being played well. You keep on whistling (er, laughing) past the graveyard, I guess.

 

[sb1]

Yeah, and you were laughing too when folks said the same thing about the actual Mac Jones, refusing to accept what our eyes were telling us (that he was playing the QB position tremendously poorly). You liked Mac, you rooted for him, you wanted him to succeed, and (despite all the evidence indicating otherwise) you continued to insist he was a nonissue and playing fine (which was obviously not the case). Mac Jones is no longer on the team.

Um of course I wanted him to succeed. He was a Patriot and was the best option we had at the position at the time. Weird that you think that’s a bad thing.

Maye and Jones are both white guys, wear 10 and picked in the first round by the Patriots. The similarities end there.

Drake Maye - who folks understandably are rooting hard for - is not looking great (albeit in his rookie season, very early in TC)

That’s a pretty significant “albeit” don’t you think? Could have stopped right there and saved yourself from tying this nonsense:

and you're sarcastically dismissing the same type of reporting indicating that the QB position isn't being played well. You keep on whistling (er, laughing) past the graveyard, I guess.

Lol