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Yeah I’ve truly struggled to understand why people have lamented a 4.52 forty so much. His teammate drafted in the top 10 Rome Odunze ran 0.07 faster and no one seems to have an issue with him.
McConkey’s score is 9.32. Polk is the one who got blown away by that metric. And his RAS score is less reliable because he skipped agility drills.
It’s a deficiency in the sense that it’s below average, slightly. All things being equal, you’d prefer to have a faster receiver, right? But as I’ve said a dozen times in this thread, measurables don’t tell the whole story, especially when considering one in isolation. Still, speed matters. How much better would Rice have been if he could run 4.4, all things being equal? But, you can have all the physical talent in the world and wash out of the NFL, because you have no drive, work ethic, etc. The point is that it ALL matters when drafting. Subpar athleticism can sink you, a bad work ethic can too.
He should definitely get more bites at the apple, given the circumstances.
0.07s gives a 2 foot gap over that distance. It’s not insignificant. And unlike Polk, Odunze ran the agility drills and crushed them, yielding a RAS score of 9.92 vs 9.11. These two aren’t even in the same solar system athletically.
It shows that Polk works well with others get a Aiyuk and Polk would torch the Defense with Aiyuk drawing the tougher matchups. Rome Odunze was the man at Washington but the afterthought Polk made the Defense pay.
Gronkowski was a "Gronk". No comparison or mold for what he did. Seriously, he was one of those players who was a man among boys.
He really was.
I wonder what that jumper’s 40 time was. We already know he has a good vertical
Yeah the college football threads don’t get much traction here through the season but obviously the theme/focus here is Pats/NFL so guess it’s understood. Most takes naturally come once the draft approaches and people first learn of these players by draft boards, 30 second clips and second hand takes. That said, doesn’t minimize the number of, “they should have drafted player x instead of y”.
So guys who ran a fifth of a second faster than Odunze must be much better than him, and guys who ran a fifth of a second better than that must be an ever higher level, etc? How much better must Thornton be than Odunze considering he ran a full 0.27 faster?
There’s not much point in continuing this, but I’ll give it one more shot. I said all “all things being equal” and then gave the example of giving Jerry Rice more speed: exact same player, but 4.4 speed. It’s a thought experiment designed to prove a point: more speed is better, all other things being equal. Of course two completely different players cannot be rank ordered on a single attribute (edit: unless an attribute is so extreme it is exclusionary, like a 5.2s 40 time -- I don't think there's a wide receiver in the league with a 40 that slow). I never said that, it’s a straw man, it’s silly, and unfair to me. I’ve been very clear on this across multiple posts, and I’m just misrepresented, over and over. It’s really getting frustrating.
It’s 23 inches faster (0.07s) at 40 yds. It might be the difference between running under that ball to win the big game, or not. 0.01s (3.25 in) or perhaps even 0.02s (6.5 in) are arguably negligible (especially with natural variance in times). I know this may not be convincing, but in my mind there are game scenarios where that little extra juice would make a difference. There’s probably a statistical way to analyze this, but that’s beyond me.
A 2 foot difference in a 40 yard run is actually pretty insignificant.
Don't mean to interrupt but if you don't see upside in those stats I don't know what to tell you. Many Draft publications and Guru's touted Polk. I see diamond in the rough when it's all said and done.
Steve Smith Sr had a lot of good things to say about Polk.
Upside in which stats, specifically? The three cone and shuttle stats which don’t exist? The upside in his below average 40?
I disagree. Football is a game of inches. I already gave a plausible, in game scenario where it would make a difference.
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