PATRIOTS NEWS Rhamondre Paid

[JohnJH]

And then they drafted Isaiah Davis in the 5th as well. They already have Breece Hall (almost 1,600 yards from scrimmage last year). Their running game should set up Rodgers with plenty of easy, open play-action passes.

Philadelphia will be an interesting team to watch in terms of their running game in 2024 too. They added Saquon Barkley in free agency, drafted Will Shipley in the 4th, plus signed Kendall Milton as an UDFA. Apparently they don't want Jalen Hurts to run the ball anymore.

Buffalo was another team with a nice double dip at RB: Ray Davis in the 4th, Frank Gore Jr as an UDFA - to go with James Cook. Ty Johnson may be out of a job there. NYJ, Philly and Buffalo should all have very good three-headed running groups.

Even if the 4th round was too soon for a RB, there were some good players available late, like Kimani Vidal or Jase McClellan in the 6th. Milton, Gore Jr and Dillon Johnson all would have been nice undrafted rookie additions.

Especially if AVP likes to use RB's in his offense the way it's reported that he does. After Stevenson (and we don't know how Gibson will work out), and Kevin Harris still being an unknown, we really needed some young and high upside RB's, and yet we didn't even get one of them. Deshaun Fenwick has a the size (6'1 225), but I don't know much more about his speed and overall ability.

 

[Vindicate]

I hope this means that they've continued to see development and aren't concerned about any durability issues or plateau. Was so hard to get a read on any single offensive player last year that, for even players like Rham, I was wondering how valuable they actually are.

If the contract confirms they're good, hell yeah!

 

[TheRainMaker]

What convey of blockers are you talking about? The Pats OL has been putrid.

What I meant was that he needs grand canyon sized holes like Michel/Blount in order to be effective. If the OL can't block, he will not be able to evade defenders on a consistent basis.

Maroney was also a highly questionable pick, even back then RBs were a dime a dozen and not worth a first rounder (#21 overall), I hated that pick especially because my binky MJD went around pick 60…

I can remember an NFL draft from 20 years ago but not my neighbors name.

He wasn't that questionable, but his stock rose over guys like MJD and D'Angelo Williams because of the less mileage and the big play potential. MJD's size and tiny hands were a big concern. Had the Pats drafted either Williams or MJD, they probably beat the Giants in 2007.

His college teammate, Marion Barber, was the better running back and ended up going 3-4 rounds later the year prior. Weird Bill took two first round running backs in his career and both had better college teammates available. Bill was always able to evaluate running backs pretty well as far as value so I assumed both Maroney and Michel would be home runs but it never worked out that way.

This is common, if one player from a college program is doing well and his replacement is doing well - his stock rises.

 

[rochrist]

Don't know if anyone has seen this. Here is how the incentives play out:

 

[203Pat]

This is common, if one player from a college program is doing well and his replacement is doing well - his stock rises.

Sony wasn't really a replacement for Chubb. They were a tandem it just ended up that Chubb is a better running back by miles.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Sony wasn't really a replacement for Chubb. They were a tandem it just ended up that Chubb is a better running back by miles.

Who thought Laveranues Coles would have a better career than Peter Warwick? That was wild.

 

[203Pat]

Who thought Laveranues Coles would have a better career than Peter Warwick? That was wild.

I remember thinking Peter Warrick would be a returner like Dante Hall and a receiver like Chad Johnson. I remember some hoopla around a slow 40 time then he hurt his knee a couple years into his NFL career and that was that. Coles actually turned into a pretty solid receiver for a long time. Definitely wouldn't have expected their careers to pan out the way they did.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Maroney was also a highly questionable pick, even back then RBs were a dime a dozen and not worth a first rounder (#21 overall), I hated that pick especially because my binky MJD went around pick 60…

I can remember an NFL draft from 20 years ago but not my neighbors name.

your neighbors name is Naybur

 

[Nunchucks]

I agree. He's a high maintenance back where his convey of blockers has to execute or he's dead to rights. This was LaGarrette's problem when defenses focused on him in the playoffs as the formations/down and distance was too obvious. He had his woes being taken out of games early. He will be running behind a very mediocre at best OL with opposing defenses not worrying about the QB and the skill players in the passing game. He's going to see a lot of defenders roaming the box.

In an era where it's easy to find capable backs, this re-signing before the season was completely unnecessary. We will be revisiting this signing during the season.

Blunt was a force. If he got ant space look out. He made defenses pay. Stevenson is sneaky quick and powerful. I am meh on the signing. Blunt was amazing for a big guy.

 

[slash83]

Love Rham, glad they locked him up.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Blunt was a force. If he got ant space look out. He made defenses pay. Stevenson is sneaky quick and powerful. I am meh on the signing. Blunt was amazing for a big guy.

I'm not trying to downplay Blount as he was a nightmare for defenses once he got to the 2nd and 3rd levels of the defense. He was also automatic for short yardage or goal line situations. He was an amazing pick up. However, I was just pointing out the trade off to a powerful runner that Blount was who needed blocking up front as big bruising backs aren't going to be the most elusive if defenders clog the LOS or sneak into the backfield.

 

[TheRainMaker]

27 years ago the Patriots value was around 300 million, now it’s 6.4 billion.

The value has nothing to do with it as there are salary caps. The point I was making was that the value for most RB's hasn't gone up much in 27 years and the quality of play has dropped off overall. The money is going to the WR's due to the rule changes favoring them and the life span of RB's. What is odd is that the technology was worse many years ago, yet you'd have guys like Curtis Martin playing at a high level for many years. It's the opposite in today's game.

 

[varjao]

The way the offense is shaping up for the next 2 years (journeyman and rookie QB) they will need a commite of solid backs.

I'm not mad they didn't get a RB in the draft given the other needs but it wouldn't hurt. I hope they get another RB for training camp not on the roster cuts that's too late, maybe a small trade player by player with other team once they get a look on joint practices if they go this way.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The value has nothing to do with it as there are salary caps. The point I was making was that the value for most RB's hasn't gone up much in 27 years and the quality of play has dropped off overall. The money is going to the WR's due to the rule changes favoring them and the life span of RB's. What is odd is that the technology was worse many years ago, yet you'd have guys like Curtis Martin playing at a high level for many years. It's the opposite in today's game.

I thought you were suggesting that Rham had been overpaid. I agree that RB salaries haven’t gone up much, and I think WR’s are overpaid.

 

[Wozzy]

People seem to romanticize that 2018 playoff run in regards to Sony. Brady threw for almost 700 yards against the Chiefs and Chargers. Yes Michel ran well but so could Blount, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Stevan Ridley, or any of the other JAGs in the same circumstances.

You said "a jag could do it," none of those ^ guys are jags. Even the "least" of them Law Firm had "good not great" tools as a runner, he just provided nothing in the passing game.

Michel was great that year, he could also pass block as a rookie, which you completely ignore like this is fantasy football. Rhamondre and other really talented RB's got benched until they showed they could pass block, in Sony's case was very important with a 41 year old QB on a championship winning roster and need for a starting runningback... not a jag.

JaMycal Hasty, Deshaun Fenwick, Terrell Jennings are jags...

Kevin Harris looks at least "good," Rhamondre and Gibson when he's holding onto the ball can be "great"... all of them need health and blocking because it's a team game.

 

[1960Pats]

They won with Michel on the roster but not because of Michel. You stopped being able to win in this league about 15 years ago if your RB is the primary focus.

James White was a factor also.

Yes, the NYFL has become a passing league but that doesn't mean that a top RB doesn't help, especially if he can catch too.

 

[1960Pats]

The value has nothing to do with it as there are salary caps. The point I was making was that the value for most RB's hasn't gone up much in 27 years and the quality of play has dropped off overall. The money is going to the WR's due to the rule changes favoring them and the life span of RB's. What is odd is that the technology was worse many years ago, yet you'd have guys like Curtis Martin playing at a high level for many years. It's the opposite in today's game.

Curtis Martin never won squat and wasn't that good near the goal line. I'm sick of hearing about him and his bum chum Tuna. They gave the Pats fans a big FU and I salute them both in the same way.

 

[1960Pats]

Was a guy that was handing off to him.. can't remember his name lol

Oh yeah, the guy who we were banned from talking about in the main forum while he was winning his 7th SB with another team. Tom Brady I think it was. What's he up to these days?

 

[Thelonious]

Given his failure last year to meet expectations, and the vulnerability of RB's generally, it seems like a slight overpay. So I guess it's a meh for me: doesn't really move the meter much so far as the rebuild is concerned. I suspect that by the time the team is actually playoff-competitive, we'll be on to a new RB anyway.

Can we please see some action re the O-line?!!! That's far more important, in large part because the rebuild is based on Maye's proving successful, and if he gets clobbered into dizzy incompetence, as Mac was, we'll pretty much have to start the rebuild anew by devoting draft resources to a QB rather than to all our other needs,

 

[1960Pats]

Given his failure last year to meet expectations, and the vulnerability of RB's generally, it seems like a slight overpay. So I guess it's a meh for me: doesn't really move the meter much so far as the rebuild is concerned. I suspect that by the time the team is actually playoff-competitive, we'll be on to a new RB anyway.

Can we please see some action re the O-line?!!! That's far more important, in large part because the rebuild is based on Maye's proving successful, and if he gets clobbered into dizzy incompetence, as Mac was, we'll pretty much have to start the rebuild anew by devoting draft resources to a QB rather than to all our other needs,

I look at player salaries the same way as an investment in real estate. It might feel like an overpay at the time but years later it could look like a steal.