Damien Harris speaks out about the dysfunction on the Patriots offense in 2022

[203Pat]

He also said signing juju wasn't his decision.

Where did Bill say that?

 

[Wozzy]

Gisele debunked that long ago. My husband cannot throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time.

She doesn't know what she's talking about, the Patriots defense was only good for two decades because of Tom.

 

[Steve102]

She doesn't know what she's talking about, the Patriots defense was only good for two decades because of Tom.

 

[Wozzy]

Where did Bill say that?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-juju-smith-schuster-fan-had-to-be-sold-on-wr

 

[203Pat]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-juju-smith-schuster-fan-had-to-be-sold-on-wr

Is my computer broken or is it blank?

 

[Wozzy]

Is my computer broken or is it blank?

The link to Bleacher Report wont post... odd.

New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick wasn't initially sold on the concept of acquiring wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster in the offseason, according to Andrew Callahan of the Boston Herald.
"Bill was never a JuJu guy," a source told Callahan.

 

[sb1]

Yeah, he wanted to bring Meyers back. But if you listen to the haters here, BB had final say on every decision.

It's odd how selective hearing works.

If he wanted to bring Meyers back then he would have.

Either he was GM or he wasn't. He can't only be GM and get credit for moves that work out.

 

[Wozzy]

If he wanted to bring Meyers back then he would have.

Either he was GM or he wasn't. He can't only be GM and get credit for moves that work out.

It was a collaboration. The owner literally told you that in 2021.

You guys are the only ones choosing what to believe and what to ignore.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I was cautiously optimistic when fat matt was hired. Certainly was a out of the box hiring but I put my trust in him to make the right decision based on everything he’d done prior.

Hindsight, it was horrible and ultimately cost him his job. Looking back at his long career, he’s one of the best defensive coaches of all time. Undisputed, so many great game plans over the years, but obviously the offense ran through Brady and that was a perfect match during their tenure to form the franchises success.

One of the biggest regrets I had was when the union bargained out the two a day practices. There wasn’t a better teacher out there who could coach the roster from top to bottom and make the weakest players competent backups ready to contribute in his system. It really was a serious advantage for Bill.

Ultimately, imo he’s the best ever and it is what it is. Knoll, Landry, Belichick. It happens to a lot of the greats when they stay too long. The one thing that remains constant is you can be a great coach but to be considered on top of the field you need a great QB. Especially in todays game.

 

[sb1]

It was a collaboration. The owner literally told you that in 2021.

You guys are the only ones choosing what to believe and what to ignore.

Nonsense. Bill would have been stripped of his GM title if he really had anything less than full control and he probably would have walked anyway in that scenario. If 10 people told Bill he should draft person X, Bill still had full power to draft person Y if he so chose.

And I'm sure the "collaboration" talk is for this coming season because the Patriots have no official GM.

 

[sb1]

Where did Bill say that?

Bill sure wasn't short of excuses in his final years here for the team cratering under his watch.

 

[Wozzy]

Nonsense. Bill would have been stripped of his GM title if he really had anything less than full control and he probably would have walked anyway in that scenario. If 10 people told Bill he should draft person X, Bill still had full power to draft person Y if he so chose.

And I'm sure the "collaboration" talk is for this coming season because the Patriots have no official GM.

Your entire take here is predicated on what you think would have happened... a known BB hater. Laughable...

 

[sb1]

Your entire take here is predicated on what you think would have happened... a known BB hater. Laughable...

You really think Bill would have accepted a demotion? Lol

If BB was GM and he certainly was paid to be one... then the buck stops with him. All of it. He wanted Jones so he picked him. Full stop.

Also lol @ "hater".

 

[Wozzy]

Bill sure wasn't short of excuses in his final years here for the team cratering under his watch.

Bill kept playing Mac, even after his fourth meltdown on national TV. I don't doubt there was some vindictiveness by Bill involved in him letting a kid meltdown again and again and again... but then he'd been told to keep playing Mac by the owner so that's what he did.

I don't doubt at some point Kraft had to tell BB that it was okay if he wanted to bench Mac. It was hilarious yet painful to watch as a fan. But it certainly explained to all of us later on why Mac wasn't benched sooner. Mac should have been benched after the Raven's game in week three of his sophomore season and they never should have looked back. But collaboration...

 

[Wozzy]

You really think Bill would have accepted a demotion? Lol

If BB was GM and he certainly was paid to be one... then the buck stops with him. All of it. He wanted Jones so he picked him. Full stop.

Also lol @ "hater".

I think Bill believed in team above all, I think he had respect for Ron Wolf and welcomed Elliot, I think he also had respect for Nick Saban and even if he didn't want Mac he went along to get along. He has his house in Nantucket and the highest salary in football, that's reason enough at the age of 70 to get along. Bill's title never changed.

And yeah, you're a hater.

 

[Rob0729]

If it was 'intentional sabotage' then the question that begs to be answered is "why"?

What is the purpose, what is the upside, what is the end game for intentional sabotage?

I can't think of a legitimate answer. Especially for a person who is so into the history of the game, that was closing in on the all-time wins record. That would be the ultimate longterm prize for a head coach, an historic record to bookend with the single season success of six super bowl championships.


In my opinion there is a far more likely explanation.

It could be, as mentioned previously, that Belichick simply overestimated his own ability and the abilities of others he hired/trusted (such as Patricia and Judge).

Another explanation, a corresponding side effect, is that as he got older, he relied more and more on an ever decreasing circle of friends and colleagues. In this case rather than leave his comfort zone and hire a competent OC that he had never worked with before, he hired two trusted, familiar comrades, from an ever dwindling list of possible choices that met his sole criteria.

I think last year, at least at the point he kept on playing Mac and pulling him, he wanted to prove a point to Kraft. I think Belichick never thought his job would be in jeopardy and wanted to show that Mac Jones was the reason the offense sucked. He didn't calculate how much his style was growing thin with Kraft or how bad the offense would be even after Mac was permanently benched.

 

[sb1]

Bill kept playing Mac, even after his fourth meltdown on national TV. I don't doubt there was some vindictiveness by Bill involved in him letting a kid meltdown again and again and again... but then he'd been told to keep playing Mac by the owner so that's what he did.

I have my doubts Kraft told Bill anything about what to do... he learned his lesson after the Tuna debacle. And even if he did want to bench Jones whose fault was it that the Patriots didn't really have a viable backup QB that would make that decision easier?

 

[Wozzy]

I have my doubts Kraft told Bill anything about what to do... he learned his lesson after the Tuna debacle. And even if he did want to bench Jones whose fault was it that the Patriots didn't really have a viable backup QB that would make that decision easier?

You doubt anything that doesn't make Bill look bad.



Whether he could have sustained it or not they never should have looked back...

 

[Rob0729]

The 2023 30th ranked NFL offense is not Macs fault.

All the INTs and Pic 6's were not his fault either. The crying and pouting not his fault.

The truth is that Mac is a winner and a leader. A ProBowler too.

Mac only played 11 games in 2023. I think four of them, he was pulled by halftime. That means over a third of the season he didn't play. And the Patriots were the 30th ranked offense. It is partially Mac's fault, but clearly wasn't all his fault.

 

[The Gr8est]

If it was 'intentional sabotage' then the question that begs to be answered is "why"?

What is the purpose, what is the upside, what is the end game for intentional sabotage?

I can't think of a legitimate answer. Especially for a person who is so into the history of the game, that was closing in on the all-time wins record. That would be the ultimate longterm prize for a head coach, an historic record to bookend with the single season success of six super bowl championships.


In my opinion there is a far more likely explanation.

It could be, as mentioned previously, that Belichick simply overestimated his own ability and the abilities of others he hired/trusted (such as Patricia and Judge).

Another explanation, a corresponding side effect, is that as he got older, he relied more and more on an ever decreasing circle of friends and colleagues. In this case rather than leave his comfort zone and hire a competent OC that he had never worked with before, he hired two trusted, familiar comrades, from an ever dwindling list of possible choices that met his sole criteria.

Just spitballing here.

How about the way Kraft bailed on him and Brady with the the BS the league accused him of?

Putting a “HOF” owner in his place?

What the league did to the Pats to bring them back to the pack was a travesty, and Kraft allowed it to happen.