DRAFT 2024 2nd Round Pick - WR Ja'Lynn Polk

[rkarp1]

I think Wallace is as legit a prospect as Paul, Rosengarten, Fischer, Sumataia.
comes down to scheme fit, takes to coaching and hard work.
to sit here today and say who is better is simply a false narrative

 

[captain stone]

Javon Baker: athleticism score: 70 Propect Grade: 6.25

Puka Nacua: athleticism score: 55 Prospect Grade: 5.80
Nacua first season: 105 receptions, 1486 yards, 6 TDs,

Pre-draft testing numbers are not the be-all end-all you think they are.

That's why Nacua wan't taken until 177 overall, unlike "They ain't 10 WRs [drafted] better than me" Baker.

 

[captain stone]

I think Wallace is as legit a prospect as Paul, Rosengarten, Fischer, Sumataia.
comes down to scheme fit, takes to coaching and hard work.
to sit here today and say who is better is simply a false narrative

NOT at LEFT Tackle.

 

[rkarp1]

NOT at LEFT Tackle.

why not?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

why not?

He's an older prospect who's never played the position. Age matters for a number of reasons but muscle memory is a killer when it comes to this stuff.

For the most part pass pro was average to below average Never really used independent hands and you can see his punches coming.

Recovery is something all scouts look for evaluating tackles. You're facing a better athlete across from you every snap, every Sunday. So foot quickness is crucial. Wallace routinely ovecommitted and opened up too early to meet speed rushers bc his recovery wasn't good. If he wasn't at his mark immediately he didn't have the ability to recover bc the quickness wasn't there.

Had a lot of help from backs esp on inside rushes.

That's not a glowing profile of a lt. He's the most polarizing pick we drafted this year. It'll be interesting to see what happens bc lt has the potential to be a **** show.

 

[rkarp1]

some th

He's an older prospect who's never played the position. Age matters for a number of reasons but muscle memory is a killer when it comes to this stuff.

For the most part pass pro was average to below average Never really used independent hands and you can see his punches coming.

Recovery is something all scouts look for evaluating tackles. You're facing a better athlete across from you every snap, every Sunday. So foot quickness is crucial. Wallace routinely ovecommitted and opened up too early to meet speed rushers bc his recovery wasn't good. If he wasn't at his mark immediately he didn't have the ability to recover bc the quickness wasn't there.

Had a lot of help from backs esp on inside rushes.

That's not a glowing profile of a lt. He's the most polarizing pick we drafted this year. It'll be interesting to see what happens bc lt has the potential to be a **** show.

some thought he had better technique and fundamentals that Fahsanu.
good size. very good strength. hard worker.

per Lance Zierlein

• displays tenacious effort to stay connected to his blocks.
• Body control and radar to climb, find and land on linebackers.
• Fits up blocks with proper base and hand placement.
• Pass sets with good posture and proper weight distribution.
• Lands on rusher with full arm extension to separate and feel the rush.
• Does a nice job recognizing twists and sliding feet with inside moves.

 

[upstater1]

He's an older prospect who's never played the position. Age matters for a number of reasons but muscle memory is a killer when it comes to this stuff.

For the most part pass pro was average to below average Never really used independent hands and you can see his punches coming.

Recovery is something all scouts look for evaluating tackles. You're facing a better athlete across from you every snap, every Sunday. So foot quickness is crucial. Wallace routinely ovecommitted and opened up too early to meet speed rushers bc his recovery wasn't good. If he wasn't at his mark immediately he didn't have the ability to recover bc the quickness wasn't there.

Had a lot of help from backs esp on inside rushes.

That's not a glowing profile of a lt. He's the most polarizing pick we drafted this year. It'll be interesting to see what happens bc lt has the potential to be a **** show.

We better pray this draft works out because we haven't picked that high in two decades. Top of every round and we really didn't get the premium guys at those spots. Polk, Wallace and Layden Robinson.

 

[Zuma]

I thought I read yesterday that Mayo or AVP said Onwenu will not be playing RT. IMO that means Wallace most likely will be. IMO that means Chuk or Anderson will be starting at LT.

 

[Trocadile]

I thought I read yesterday that Mayo or AVP said Onwenu will not be playing RT. IMO that means Wallace most likely will be. IMO that means Chuk or Anderson will be starting at LT.

I believe the quote was that Onwenu will not be playing left tackle.

 

[Zuma]

I believe the quote was that Onwenu will not be playing left tackle.

Oh. That’s wacky…who would even ask that question.

Edit: you are correct Sir…

 

[n1997y]

I thought I read yesterday that Mayo or AVP said Onwenu will not be playing RT. IMO that means Wallace most likely will be. IMO that means Chuk or Anderson will be starting at LT.

Or maybe Wheatley or Lowe is in the mix?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Damien Harris:

“If anybody had anything to say about it,” Harris said of bringing complaints up to Belichick, "it was [met with] a very, very quick, swift, 'Shut the [expletive] up. I know what I’m doing,’ and that’s it.’”

Sure sounds like Belichick became more “ collaborative.

 

[Wozzy]

it has been fairly well documented by numerous outlets that the wording in Bill's contract was that he had total control over all football decisions. if that was violated, Bill was a free agent if he so chose.
I do agree, RK did say "listen to your scouts" but the final decisions, over everything, was with one person. Bill.

Not a single person in the media saw BB's contract, not a single one of them could even definitively tell us how much he got paid.

Stop inventing facts to push a narrative, or at least provide some links to this fan fiction you've written.

 

[Wozzy]

Or maybe Wheatley or Lowe is in the mix?

Lowe should be cut yesterday, he's terrible.

Wheatley is interesting but I suspect we'll never get to see him play.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

some th

some thought he had better technique and fundamentals that Fahsanu.
good size. very good strength. hard worker.

He also said "should find should find work as a backup with the potential to start as a guard or tackle"

per Lance Zierlein

• displays tenacious effort to stay connected to his blocks.
• Body control and radar to climb, find and land on linebackers.
• Fits up blocks with proper base and hand placement.
• Pass sets with good posture and proper weight distribution.
• Lands on rusher with full arm extension to separate and feel the rush.
• Does a nice job recognizing twists and sliding feet with inside moves.

This is also from Lance.

"Can be too deliberate and telegraphed with his pass punch.
Forced to open the gate prematurely and rush to the top against speed.
Needs to play with lower pads to help find more displacement and push.
Can be beaten to the spot on move blocks by NFL quickness."

I don't read what most other draft guys have to say bc I like to do my own thing but I don't believe anyone really thought Wallace could play tackle coming out. Like I mentioned above, he doesnt play with independent hands. He primarily uses a two handed punch which you just dont see at left tackle in the NFL. Some will absolutely use it as a tool but Wallace relies on it. Lance mentions advertising his punch but if that's your main weapon it's always advertised.

Anyone that watched him noted how early he has to open up against speed rushers. That obviously suggests lack of foot speed but it also leaves him wide open against an inside counter. Like some of his better games he had a ton of inside help like against OSU for example. Lack of hands, problems against speed and inability to recover dont scream NFL LT.

Generally if you have a guy with Wallace's limitations that doesn't equal out to a left tackle you can depend on.
I'm not trying to hate on the pick. It just didn't make sense to me. You have a G/swing tackle profile which is about on the 4th tier of OL after tackle, right tackle and lg. Considering all the resources we spent on IOL and we have big Mike at RT. That's not how I would have spent 68 but I'm hoping to be surprised. I like Wallace, had a 4th on him so the value isn't terrible. It's just not the "type" of prospect I would have went after at 68. We'll see what happens, fingers crossed.

 

[mgteich]

He's an older prospect who's never played the position. Age matters for a number of reasons but muscle memory is a killer when it comes to this stuff.

For the most part pass pro was average to below average Never really used independent hands and you can see his punches coming.

Recovery is something all scouts look for evaluating tackles. You're facing a better athlete across from you every snap, every Sunday. So foot quickness is crucial. Wallace routinely ovecommitted and opened up too early to meet speed rushers bc his recovery wasn't good. If he wasn't at his mark immediately he didn't have the ability to recover bc the quickness wasn't there.

Had a lot of help from backs esp on inside rushes.

That's not a glowing profile of a lt. He's the most polarizing pick we drafted this year. It'll be interesting to see what happens bc lt has the potential to be a **** show.

Is there a reasonable chance the Wallace is the starter this year at RT, if Sow moves to LG?

It would seem that one issue is who would be the best starter: Wallace, Robinson, Leverett or Mafi? Of course, the bonus is the with Wallace at RT, we can move Onwenu to RG. It would seem that if Wallace is the best talent of the four, and if he id ready to start, this would make an improved right side.

 

[captain stone]

...I'm not trying to hate on the pick. It just didn't make sense to me. You have a G/swing tackle profile which is about on the 4th tier of OL after tackle, right tackle and lg. Considering all the resources we spent on IOL and we have big Mike at RT. That's not how I would have spent 68 but I'm hoping to be surprised...

Yep; and I'd even place RG/Swing Tackle on the 5th tier after Center.

 

[captain stone]

Is there a reasonable chance the Wallace is the starter this year at RT, if Sow moves to LG?

It would seem that one issue is who would be the best starter: Wallace, Robinson, Leverett or Mafi? Of course, the bonus is the with Wallace at RT, we can move Onwenu to RG. It would seem that if Wallace is the best talent of the four, and if he id ready to start, this would make an improved right side.

If Leverett isn't the opening-day starter at RG then the FO just wasted its owner's money.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Is there a reasonable chance the Wallace is the starter this year at RT, if Sow moves to LG?

Yes, reasonable is a good way to put it.

It would seem that one issue is who would be the best starter: Wallace, Robinson, Leverett or Mafi? Of course, the bonus is the with Wallace at RT, we can move Onwenu to RG. It would seem that if Wallace is the best talent of the four, and if he id ready to start, this would make an improved right side.

An Onwenu/Wallace RT side is intriguing. Not the prototype you'd think AVP would want but intriguing

 

[50-yard-line]

And here I thought I clicked on a thread about Polk...