Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness(X3 Merged)

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

well how about this i have onle called you a troll and a trouble make on one occion after i have asked you to tell everyone your expections and have offer you a challange with no riosk toward you except being proven wrong yet you ignore it. so what does that say about you

I have no use for you. Add me to your ignore list. You are on mine.

 

[A.C Vegas]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

so i am waiting and i will go out to create a new thread if i don't get a responce

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

THAT is an awesome post!

So much for the "We're a passing team and that is why Maroney only gets 7-8 carries per game" argument...

Except when you actually look at it and see that only the MIAMI situation did they run a multi-back system the way the Pats do. And all of the examples were of backs who had at least 4 years experience and were playing behind O-lines that had been using the same blocking scheme for years.

 

[A.C Vegas]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

just as i thought all bark and no bite

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Da bruinz think's he is right all the time. If you dont agree with him he starts insulting you and melting down all over the place. See my 20 word posts about how maroney is a dissapointment, followed by a 1000 word dissertation filled with rage , insults and excuses by da bruinz.

Oi Vei. I don't think I am right all the time. I've been wrong PLENTY and have admitted to it when I have been.

Unfortunately for you, you can't deal in reality. None of my posts have been done in a rage, like you claim. I'm sorry if you find the truth insulting. But, you need to be the one to change it.

None of my posts have excuses. They deal in reality and the entirety of the situation. Something you've come out and said you REFUSE to acknowledge. When a person refuses to deal with reality, in my eyes, they are an idiot and a moron. YOU, by your own admission, fit that. Only YOU can change it.

Don't like it, tough. Its the results of your posting of your stupidity.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Except when you actually look at it and see that only the MIAMI situation did they run a multi-back system the way the Pats do. And all of the examples were of backs who had at least 4 years experience and were playing behind O-lines that had been using the same blocking scheme for years.

They ran a 2 back system because they did not have a STUD like the other teams did. Keep the excuses coming baby!

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Where those rushers highly coveted first round draft choices with high expectations?

No. They were all experienced running backs (except for Joe Carter) playing behind a line that had been using the same blocking scheme for years.

So, it still doesn't apply.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Exactly. Guys like DaBruinz who are quick to call someone an idiot, moron, *****, and other names on the computer to those who disagree with him wouldn't say two friggen words if they were face to face with that guy at the bar.

I can and HAVE called people like yourself idiots and morons in a bar. Because its you idiots and morons who think that you can bully people around with violence.

Believe you, me, NSA. I would call you an IDIOT to your face regarding Maroney every day and 100 times on Sunday.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

What the hell does 13-0 have to do with the discussion about a 1st Rd running back that obviously isn't considered GOOD ENOUGH to take carries away from the passing game when EVERYONE and their grandmother knows a true STUD like LT, LJ, McGahee, and others WOULD be good enough to get more involved in the gameplan? Hey, I applaud the Pats for passing every down. I don't even want to see Maroney's bum can on the field. He sucks. I just assume put his can on the shelf for the rest of the year. He is useless anyway. I do, however, think it is fair to call this kid out for absolutely, positively NOT living upto his 1st rd draft pick. Because if he was GOOD ENOUGH he would warrant more carries in this offense and our offense would be even better!!!

A late 1st round running back who isn't good enough to take plays away from arguably the BEST QB in the league and possibly of ALL TIME. That is what you just said. THINK ABOUT THAT. ONLY LT could do that and he's in the same category as Jim Brown, Walter Payton and Barry Sanders. They are the ELITE. The HOFers.

So, NO, I don't expect Maroney to be able to take plays away from Brady. And its just plain stupidity for ANYONE to think he should be able to.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I can and HAVE called people like yourself idiots and morons in a bar. Because its you idiots and morons who think that you can bully people around with violence.

Believe you, me, NSA. I would call you an IDIOT to your face regarding Maroney every day and 100 times on Sunday.

LOL! I'll be at the game sunday. Meet me and we'll talk, I promise.

 

[A.C Vegas]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

just give up bruinz I offered NSA a chance to prove himself and he put me on ignore. It was no risk to him as well execpt for being proven wrong. so what does that say about him

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

No, I hate Maroney's game. That's about it. How that translates into me hating the Patriots is beyond me. Then again, how ANYONE could make excuses for Maroney's bum arse is beyond me too. I'm a fan that calls it like it is. I don't pour sugar and spice on everything. Hey, I'm the biggest Celtics fan around. 17-2. I'm pumped! However, does it make me a bad fan because I am still not 100% sold that they can beat the Spurs in a 7 game series? I'm not a homer. Homers are fans like the Pittsburgh trolls that came on here talking smack and thinking they were going to dominate yesterday. I hate homer fans.

You armchair GM's love to hide behind the Feglerism I'm not a homer when all you really are is a malcontent looking for something to pick at because you think it makes you look more football savvy than mere homers...

Fans should be homers. Not miserable SOB's. They should believe in their team, particularly when it's 13-0 and undeniably the best team in the league this season, if not ever. Doesn't mean you can't be objective or question moves. Critical and objective aren't synonyms though. No team is ever perfect, even in the midst of a perfect season. When you hysterical fanboys are gonna get that is beyond me. BB doesn't need an every down back this season. Maybe he doesn't want to kill Maroney in the process of making him into something he doesn't need, a power back. He has the best passing offense in the league, and believe it or not he does not ascribe to the balanced theory - he doesn't care how they score as long as they do score. He knew what Maroney's skill set was when he drafted him. If they really felt they would need additional running yardage this year once Morris went down, they likely would have invested more effort in adapting the blocking scheme. But this Oline's time is better spent prepping for the pass rush.

There is a chunk of this fan base and local media who simply cannot think outside the box. You are part of that group. Belichick has forgotten more about football than you will ever know, and he seems fine with Maroney or he wouldn't be getting any touches.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

************, are you people f*cking stupid?

Nobody's arguing the play calling, nobody's arguing the team's philosophy, nobody's arguing Pioli's draft prowess, nobody's arguing with 13-0, nobody's saying the Patriots aren't a physical team, and nobody's saying they can't run the ball. They're one of the better rushing teams in the league.

See, that is the problem. IDIOTS who think that this has NOTHING to do with the team's play calling or the team's philosophy. It has EVERYTHING to do with it.

But Maroney isn't a feature back.

Only when you ignore all the facets of the game, like you insist on doing.

That's the message here. When teams go crazy with their passing game, their feature back should also have a good season. On that list, it was clear that it's possible. Or is the argument now that Woody Bennett's career is what we can expect out of Maroney? Woo. Hoo.

Yes, its the message of the small minded folk who have no concept of the game.

Maybe you could do a little research and see that the only decent season Bennett ever had was a direct result of Marino's season.

Maybe you should do some research and see that Robert Smith had 4 years where he never got over 700 yards before he finally broke through and had a 1200 yard year. Maybe you should do some research and see that Tiki Barber didn't break 1000 yards until his 4th year in the league and then wasn't consistent until his 6th year.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Dumbass, most of those teams also had #2 and 3 backs that rushed.

This is a fallacy. Most of those teams ran a single back system where the #2 RB got the ball every 3rd or 4th play. If they were lucky.

The numbers go up if you include them. I only included the #1 and #2 guy in the 84 fins stats because they split the load.

You don't drop a 1st round pick on a guy who's going to split the load and look weaker than Sammy Morris.

He looked weaker than Morris? Why? Because Morris was under-rated by so many people? Because Morris has MORE EXPERIENCE than Maroney and more patience so his timing on hitting the holes was better?

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

You armchair GM's love to hide behind the Feglerism I'm not a homer when all you really are is a malcontent looking for something to pick at because you think it makes you look more football savvy than mere homers...

Fans should be homers. Not miserable SOB's. They should believe in their team, particularly when it's 13-0 and undeniably the best team in the league this season, if not ever. Doesn't mean you can't be objective or question moves. Critical and objective aren't synonyms though. No team is ever perfect, even in the midst of a perfect season. When you hysterical fanboys are gonna get that is beyond me. BB doesn't need an every down back this season. Maybe he doesn't want to kill Maroney in the process of making him into something he doesn't need, a power back. He has the best passing offense in the league, and believe it or not he does not ascribe to the balanced theory - he doesn't care how they score as long as they do score. He knew what Maroney's skill set was when he drafted him. If they really felt they would need additional running yardage this year once Morris went down, they likely would have invested more effort in adapting the blocking scheme. But this Oline's time is better spent prepping for the pass rush.

There is a chunk of this fan base and local media who simply cannot think outside the box. You are part of that group. Belichick has forgotten more about football than you will ever know, and he seems fine with Maroney or he wouldn't be getting any touches.

Fans should be homers? LOL! This is Boston. Not Kansas. You produce or get your arse chewed out here in Boston. Bottom line. Everyone doesn't get a free ride just because the team is 13-0. Maroney is the weak link. He deserves all the criticism he gets.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Exactly. According to the homers, Pioli and BB don't make mistakes. That's why Duane Starks, Monty Beisel, Bethel Johnson, Doug Gabriel, and JR Redmond never played here. That is all in our minds.

No one said anything of the sort. But far be it from you to talk out your arse and make things up.

1) Redmond was drafted based on the scouting information compiled by Booby Grier.
2) Gabriel cost the Pats a 5th round pick. So what.
3) I think if you took your head out of your arse and actually did your homework, you'd find that BB and Piole have never missed on a 1st round pick.
4) You'd also find that your examples of Tiki Barber and Robert Smith actually SUPPORT Maroney's development. NOT harm it.

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Fans should be homers? LOL! This is Boston. Not Kansas. You produce or get your arse chewed out here in Boston. Bottom line. Everyone doesn't get a free ride just because the team is 13-0. Maroney is the weak link. He deserves all the criticism he gets.

As do you. Supporting a team through the ups and the downs is not some outdated notion. The same goes for supporting a player. If you were really a Patriots fan you would know this. Through the lean years and the losing seasons you would have learned the value of sticking with a team and its players and not being a fair weather fan. As it turns out you are a joke. You are one of those fans who can't wait to jump on slightest flaw, the smallest mistake. Go somewhere else because you obviously do not understand this team or where it came from.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Funny thing is, last year when we played the #1 run D boasted by the Vikings, we ran almost twice as much... 15 times, to be exact. For a respectable 85 yards.

WOW.. Where to start.

1) The Pats passing offense of 2006 wasn't nearly as prolific as the Pats Passing offense of 2007
2) Maroney had 8 runs for 34 yards against Minnesota last year.
3) 2 of the 15 runs you mentioned were by Brady and Cassel (kneel down). So Maroney had 8 of 13 carries.
4) Dillon only had 3 carries in that game. Faulk had one and Evans the other.
5) Evans run of 35 yards came in Garbage time when the Pats were up 31-7. As did 4 of Maroney's 8 runs. So, 5 of the 13 runs were in garbage time.
6) Dillon, Maroney, Faulk and Evans were ALL healthy. And that group was better than Maroney, Faulk, Evans and Eckel.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I sure as hell know how to cut my losses, admit a mistake, and get an upgrade. And what an upgrade it is my friend!

Yes, lets get a chicken legged RB similar to Reggie Bush.. BTW anyone notice that Bush just went on the IR with a knee injury....

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Fans should be homers? LOL! This is Boston. Not Kansas. You produce or get your arse chewed out here in Boston. Bottom line. Everyone doesn't get a free ride just because the team is 13-0. Maroney is the weak link. He deserves all the criticism he gets.

That's an endictment of the Boston fan base. The local media has convinced many of you that half the fun of being a sports fan is believing you know more and better what a team or a player should be doing - and for years with the Sox that was the case. Ditto the Patriots for most of their first 40 odd seasons, as well as for approaching two decades of basketball and hockey fans in this region. Time to get over ourselves where the football franchise is concerned through - being a critical malcontent isn't a sign of superior sports acumen - it's just an unfortunate offshoot of a superiority complex born of frustration. The football franchise hasn't frustrated rational fans for close to a decade now, and has earned the kind of respect that should carry over for another decade or so, minimum.

You have no idea what Belichick has or had in mind when he drafted Maroney. He and the OC and his teamates have not expressed any frustration with his work ethic or his workload. Believe me, if they were not pleased with him he wouldn't be on the field. So those of you who continue to bang the anti Maroney drum are actually saying Belichick is an idiot and just won't admit it. Good luck with that premise.