Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness(X3 Merged)

[danny88]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Exactly. If this guy can get away with it, than I am going to start calling him the same friggen things. The mods here don't say two words to him so I guess it's only fair that I can do the same.

Dont stoop to his level. They are just waiting for you to violate the rules so they can ban you. They are not enforcing the rules against guys like da bruinz because they are hoping he can bait us into acting like he does.

If you dont swill the kool aid you are not welcome.

A lot of people agree with us about Maroney. Avg NFL back who has not lived up to his hype.

Smessy warned me about 15 times before I was banned for insulting other members. Yet all the insults I posted where rebuttles to people insulting me. They are just waiting.

Hell I get warned when I follow the rules. Apparently it is illegal to say you are not a fan of Maroney in Maroney themed threas! Go figure!

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

To Da Bruinz, NSA is obviously NOT a Pats fan,he seems more like a troll from indy,or the rats. Why spend so much time trying to reason with him. Its like trying to reason with Aqwaah,but at least aqwaah is up front you know what team he's for.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Enough with the YPS bullsh!t. If your back runs 5 times in a game and shocks the opposing defense who's been playing the pass for 15 straight plays, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BREAK A BIG RUN. THE FACT THAT HIS YPC IS SO LOW IN THOSE SITUATIONS SAYS EVERYTHING, DUMBASS. Other backs have to carry the ball 25 times, so their average is affected by the fact that every other play they're throwing their body into seven 230 pound monsters.

Listen, Moron. That is what you don't understand. How can you "SHOCK" the defense that has been playing the pass for the past 15 plays when their front 4 or 5 is attacking regardless of what you are doing.

There is no such thing as the situations you mentioned. That is the problem with your comprehension of the situation.

When you actually understand the Pats gameplan, let me know. Its clear that you don't even have a basic grasp of it.

Here is the Pats general premise behind their game plan:
Exploit the opponents weaknesses and turn their strengths against them.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Dabruinz , when will the excuses end?

See, this is part of your problem, Danny. Your lack of an education. You can't even comprehend the difference between an excuse and reality.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

To Da Bruinz, NSA is obviously NOT a Pats fan,he seems more like a troll from indy,or the rats. Why spend so much time trying to reason with him. Its like trying to reason with Aqwaah,but at least aqwaah is up front you know what team he's for.

I'm not a pats fan? I know more about the pats than DaBruinz could ever dream of knowing. Puhleaze. Don't talk to me about Patriots football.

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I'm not a pats fan? I know more about the pats than DaBruinz could ever dream of knowing. Puhleaze. Don't talk to me about Patriots football.

You do seem to hate the Patriots. Perhaps you are a fan of a rival team.

 

[danny88]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

You do seem to hate the Patriots. Perhaps you are a fan of a rival team.

Why because he thinks Maroney was a waste of a pick? Hes not the only one brother. I love the pats.

NSA fawns over Brady any chance he gets. The guy is a pats fan.

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Why because he thinks Maroney was a waste of a pick? Hes not the only one brother. I love the pats.

NSA fawns over Brady any chance he gets. The guy is a pats fan.

I don't know. He seems to have some sort of mad love for Tomlinson.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

You do seem to hate the Patriots. Perhaps you are a fan of a rival team.

No, I hate Maroney's game. That's about it. How that translates into me hating the Patriots is beyond me. Then again, how ANYONE could make excuses for Maroney's bum arse is beyond me too. I'm a fan that calls it like it is. I don't pour sugar and spice on everything. Hey, I'm the biggest Celtics fan around. 17-2. I'm pumped! However, does it make me a bad fan because I am still not 100% sold that they can beat the Spurs in a 7 game series? I'm not a homer. Homers are fans like the Pittsburgh trolls that came on here talking smack and thinking they were going to dominate yesterday. I hate homer fans.

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

No, I hate Maroney's game. That's about it. How that translates into me hating the Patriots is beyond me. Then again, how ANYONE could make excuses for Maroney's bum arse is beyond me too. I'm a fan that calls it like it is. I don't pour sugar and spice on everything. Hey, I'm the biggest Celtics fan around. 17-2. I'm pumped! However, does it make me a bad fan because I am still not 100% sold that they can beat the Spurs in a 7 game series? I'm not a homer. Homers are fans like the Pittsburgh trolls that came on here talking smack and thinking they were going to dominate yesterday. I hate homer fans.

With the amount of hate you spew it is hard to beleive you are a fan of anything. You refuse to look at anything from an objective point of view and you cry foul anytime someone uses reason to refute you. You are a troll and care nothing about this team, its players or its coaches. If a player isn't an automatic Pro Bowler or Hall of Famer they are crap; that is how you set your expectations. Your opinions are worthless.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

With the amount of hate you spew it is hard to beleive you are a fan of anything. You refuse to look at anything from an objective point of view and you cry foul anytime someone uses reason to refute you. You are a troll and care nothing about this team, its players or its coaches. If a player isn't an automatic Pro Bowler or Hall of Famer they are crap; that is how you set your expectations. Your opinions are worthless.

Ok, do me a favor. Put me on your ignore list because you are now on mine. You guys are quick to cast judgement on ANYONE who dares disagree with your opinions. How me not liking Maroney automatically makes me a Pats hater and troll is beyond me. I guess that's how homers like you think. Anyway, put me on your ignore list. Your posts are boring and useless. Sort of like LoMo's game.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Okay, here's my last Maroney related post for a while. I've had enough of this discussion, it seems that the only way to make up from down is to start flinging insults because of what a sh!tstorm the conversation turns into.

Here's some stats for you, Deus Irae, DaBruinz, and the rest:

I LOVE when the idiot brigade breaks out the "STATS" but leaves out relevant information. Funny how I tore this information apart when NSA posted it. But, Here you go, Grizz.. I put in some relevant information for you.

1984 Dolphins
Marino throws for 5,000 yards and 48 TDs
Woody Bennett rushes 144 times for 606 yards and a 4.2 YPC
Joe Carter rushes 100 times for 495 yards and a 5.0 YPC

This shows that Maroney is doing just fine. Thanks for posting it. OH, btw, Joe Carter was out of the league in 2 years. This was Bennett's CAREER year. You also forgot about Tony Nathan who had 118 Carries for 4.7 yards. And Pete Johnson who was their short-yardage back who had 68 carries for 159 yards (2.8 YPC) and 9 TDs.

Also, Bennett, Nathan and Johnson had at LEAST 6 years of experience.

1989 49ers
Montana throws for 3,500 yards and 26 TDs
Roger Craig rushes 271 times for 1100 yards and a 4.0 YPC

Roger Craig (a HOF player) was the PRIMARY RB. Their FB, Rathman, got most of the other carries. Different kind of system.

Their offense was pretty EVEN in that they had 493 runs to 483 passes.

Also, Craig was in his 7th year at the time ALL on the same team.

1991 Buffalo Bills
Kelly throws for 4,000 yards and 33 TDs
Thurman Thomas rushes 288 times for 1400 yards and a 4.9 YPC

Another HOF back. In 1991, Thomas was in his 4th year.

Bills used a balanced attack of running (505 plays) and passing (516 plays). They had 2 backs with over 100 carries each.

1998 Minnesota Vikings
Cunningham throws for 3,700 yards and 34 TDs
Robert Smith rushes 249 times for 1200 yards and a 4.8 YPC

I love the Robert Smith example. Why? Because this was Smith's 6th year and people over-look the FACT that Smith had 31 carries for 103 yards as a 2nd year player. Hell, Smith did most of NOTHING until his 5th year in the league.

1999 St. Louis Rams
Warner throws for 4,400 yards and 41 TDs
Marshall Faulk rushes 253 times for 1400 yards and a 5.5 YPC

Marshall Faulk was a 6th year player at the time. This would be applicable if Faulk wasn't the every down back with Trung Candidate seeing very little time.

2004 Indianapolis Colts
Manning throws for 4,600 yards and 49 TDs
Edgerrin James rushes 334 times for 1550 yards and a 4.6 YPC

Hmm.. Lets see... Single back system. O-line running the same blocking scheme for years. Veteran RB.

Yep.. great comparison there chumly [/sarcasm]

Yes. You are all right. A prolific passing game precludes the ability of a primary back to put up numbers and make a significant contribution. :bricks: :bricks:

Well, the Miami example, with its multi-back system, shows Maroney to be right on course. The other ones you gave us were all single back systems with veteran RBs and O-lines that had been using the same blocking schemes for years.

How are they relevant to the situation? Its like comparing apples to grapefruit.


2007 New England Patriots (projected)
Brady throws for 5,000 yards and 54 TDs
Laurence Maroney rushes 156 times for 650 yards and a 4.2 YPC[/quote]

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Ok, do me a favor. Put me on your ignore list because you are now on mine. You guys are quick to cast judgement on ANYONE who dares disagree with your opinions. How me not liking Maroney automatically makes me a Pats hater and troll is beyond me. I guess that's how homers like you think. Anyway, put me on your ignore list. Your posts are boring and useless. Sort of like LoMo's game.

My posts are boring because they are reasoned and based on fact. Quick to cast judgement...sorry because that is your department, not mine. Everyone knows what you are. Go post on the Chargers board where you'll be welcome.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I don't know. He seems to have some sort of mad love for Tomlinson.

No, but I appreciate a great player. I hate LT and Manning, but I acknowledge that they are great players. Funny, but I have got to be the biggest Tom Brady rumpswab on this board. The guy is the greatest of all time. I've said it countless times. However, all anybody wants to do is say I hate the Pats because I hate Maroney's game. You read what you want to read.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

You know the homers who beleive every Patriots player will become a HOFer

Why do you insist on coming into a conversation and making statements that are utterly fictitious. NO ONE has said that Maroney would become a HOFer. NO ONE.

Hell, with some of these homers you can put a guy with no legs in a Patriots uniform on the field and they will think he will be a future 10,000 yard rushing great

Maroney to be a bust? - chances are probably 70%

Why do you say that the chances are 70%? Where are your facts to support that statement?

Maroney to be in a primary 1 back situation? - 1% probability IMO

Considering that the Pats, even with Dillon, did NOT run a primary 1 back situation, I would say that's the only statement you've made that you can feel confident about.

 

[Dragda]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I'd rather see us get Jonathan Stewart in the second or third round than McFadden. I think we need a better RB, though.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

DaBruinz, you're kind of a mean prick, has anyone ever told you that?

Anyone ever tell you that I don't care what idiots think about me? Because, well, they're idiots.

ADPF - you USED to be a half-decent poster. Not sure what happened to you this year, but you've regularly been talking out your butt. And others have called you on it.

 

[A.C Vegas]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

well how about this i have onle called you a troll and a trouble make on one occion after i have asked you to tell everyone your expections and have offer you a challange with no riosk toward you except being proven wrong yet you ignore it. so what does that say about you

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Why do you insist on coming into a conversation and making statements that are utterly fictitious. NO ONE has said that Maroney would become a HOFer. NO ONE.




Why do you say that the chances are 70%? Where are your facts to support that statement?



Considering that the Pats, even with Dillon, did NOT run a primary 1 back situation, I would say that's the only statement you've made that you can feel confident about.

Maybe the 70% is his "opinion" just like it is your "opinion"(not a FACT) that Adrian Peterson would NOT be in the gameplan like LoMo wasn't in Buffalo, LOL!!!!

 

[VJCPatriot]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Is Maroney's ineffectiveness related to durability?

We will compare Dillon with Maroney in 2006.
This is the perfect control experiment because Dillon and Maroney run behind the exact same offensive line.
Also, unlike 2007, the Patriots receivers are miserable, so there is no "prolific air attack" excuse.
Let's dig into the numbers then.

Theory: When Maroney doesn't have another "main" RB to help carry the load, he doesn't do well.

Focusing on games where Corey Dillon has 10 or less carries, how does Maroney fare?

Game 3, Dillon 5 carries 15 yards 3.2 ypc - Maroney 12 carries 18 yards 1.5 ypc
Game 5, Dillon 10 carries 45 yards 4.5 ypc - Maroney 18 carries 38 yards 2.1 ypc
Game 8, Dillon 3 carries 5 yards 1.7 ypc - Maroney 8 carries 34 yards 4.3 ypc
Game 13, Dillon 9 carries 25 yards, 2.8 ypc - Maroney 4 carries 14 yards 3.5 ypc
Game 16, Dillon 10 carries 30 yards, 3.0 ypc - Maroney 7 carries 48 yards 6.9 ypc
NYJ playoffs, Dillon 10 carries 53 yards, 5.3 ypc - Maroney 16 carries 69 yards, 3.8 ypc
SDG playoffs, Dillon 8 carries 18 yards, 2.3 ypc - Maroney 5 carries 5 yards, 1.0 ypc
IND playoffs, Dillon 7 carries 48 yards, 6.9 ypc - Maroney 8 carries 13 yards, 1.6 ypc

Totals for Games in which Dillon carried the ball 10 times or less:
Corey Dillon 62 carries 239 yards 3.85 ypc - Maroney 78 carries 239 yards 3.06 ypc

Well there you have it, numbers that reflect that when Maroney doesn't have someone else to take a significant portion of the load, that Maroney's effectiveness is dramatically reduced. In fact his 3.06 ypc in those situations in 2006 is remarkably close to his 3.04 ypc over the last 5 games without Sammy Morris to help share the load in 2007.

How does Maroney fare in the same game when Dillon has greater than 10 carries as the main back?

Totals for Games 1,2,7,9,10,11,12,17:
Dillon 109 carries 484 yards 4.44 ypc - Maroney 111 carries 468 yards 4.22 ypc

Well look at that, Maroney's numbers improve significantly when he splits almost equal carries with Dillon.
I think this pretty much cements the case.
Maroney is simply BETTER when he is sharing the ball with another RB. He was meant to be a #2 RB.
Now let's go draft us a real #1 back!!

(All of the above stats have been calculated using the following gamelogs)

Gamelogs of Corey Dillon 2006
http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerlog.htm?yr=2006&ilkid=DILLOCOR01
Gamelogs of Laurence Maroney 2006
http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerlog.htm?yr=2006&ilkid=MARONLAU01