Belichick (via Howe) also claims be didn’t want to draft Mac Jones

[Ochmed Jones]

I still believe Nabors can be better than Harrison JR.

Interesting ??? Can I ask what you think this??

 

[Love The Drake]

Interesting ??? Can I ask what you think this??

From what I’ve seen Nabors gets to top speed faster and can high point the ball has amazing athletic ability like a Jamar Chase kind of talent.
I feel Marvin Harrison ceiling is Larry Fitzgerald but his floor Is Robert Woods.
He scares me incredible route runner amazing hands makes it look easy but is he explosive enough to dominate in the NFL I’m not sure.

I bet he Doesn’t run at the combine maybe not even his pro day.

 

[Love The Drake]

I don’t what to be the team to pick Nabors over Harrison but I think if we compare both careers Nabors will be the biggest difference maker.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

In Jones’s rookie year, he was a decent qb because he was surrounded by mediocre talent and had a real offensive coordinator!

Everything went off the rails when BB put his defensive coordinator and special teams coordinator in charge of the offense

At the time a few of us were worried. But most people here said “in bill we trust”

That offense was a mess from day 1. Just ask Hoyer and Bourne if you want an honest assessment.

But once Mac starting talking to people outside the organization about the stupidity he saw on going in the meeting rooms, then BB was determined to get him out the building!

But now BB is out of the building and Mac is completely ruined. BB did to Mac exactly what the jets do to their qb’s

 

[Love The Drake]

In Jones’s rookie year, he was a decent qb because he was surrounded by mediocre talent and had a real offensive coordinator!

Everything went off the rails when BB put his defensive coordinator and special teams coordinator in charge of the offense

At the time a few of us were worried. But most people here said “in bill we trust”

That offense was a mess from day 1. Just ask Hoyer and Bourne if you want an honest assessment.

But once Mac starting talking to people outside the organization about the stupidity he saw on going in the meeting rooms, then BB was determined to get him out the building!

But now BB is out of the building and Mac is completely ruined. BB did to Mac exactly what the jets do to their qb’s

I was a In BB we trust guy I think I said having 3 head coaches would only help him and Bill saw the genius of Patricia and Judge.

We can all be wrong sometimes.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

From what I’ve seen Nabors gets to top speed faster and can high point the ball has amazing athletic ability like a Jamar Chase kind of talent.
I feel Marvin Harrison ceiling is Larry Fitzgerald but his floor Is Robert Woods.
He scares me incredible route runner amazing hands makes it look easy but is he explosive enough to dominate in the NFL I’m not sure.

I bet he Doesn’t run at the combine maybe not even his pro day.

I watched tape of the LSU Alabama game and are you concerned that nabers struggled to get off the line of scrimmage when the Alabama defensive backs pressed him?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I was a In BB we trust guy I think I said having 3 head coaches would only help him and Bill saw the genius of Patricia and Judge.

We can all be wrong sometimes.

Dude, it happened to all of us here, except captain stove!

 

[Love The Drake]

I watched tape of the LSU Alabama game and are you concerned that nabers struggled to get off the line of scrimmage when the Alabama defensive backs pressed him?

I think he will need to get a little stronger, but technique can be taught by the proper coaching staff.
Also motions prior the snap will mitigate that.
I think he has a higher ceiling than MJH.
MJH you are getting a polished product safest pick in the draft.
But I thinks the Reward from taking Nabors could turn into a Jamar Chase game breaker.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I watched tape of the LSU Alabama game and are you concerned that nabers struggled to get off the line of scrimmage when the Alabama defensive backs pressed him?

Are you talking about the right game? He torched Alabama and the alleged best cb in the draft for 10 catches and 171 with a td.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

You give me an offense with Harrison (or nabers) on the outside, Douglas in slot and Truatman (free agent) at tight end, and suddenly, we have some actual talent on offense

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Are you talking about the right game? He torched Alabama and the alleged best cb in the draft for 10 catches and 171 with a td.

Yes that is the game. When Alabama played press man, he struggled to get off the line of scrimmage

 

[stardawg]

I said in the other thread. After Brady left, it came out that Belichick didn’t want Mohammed Sanu and he traded for him because Brady wanted him.

Even the most irrational BB hater has to recognize that he is being used as the scapegoat by ownership and appreciate what he brought to the team for 24 years. You don't have to be a sycophant to understand that BB has become the lightning rod for the inevitable end of the amazing run and want him to succeed in the future. The same goes for Brady when he left. Personally, I will hold my nose to cheer for the Cowboys if BB goes there because it will bother RKK/Johnathan the most without actually harming the Patriots as a team. When BB wins the Super Bowl with the Cowboys, the media will be quick to point out that this is another reason that Jerry is in the HOF and RKK is not. LOL

I'm not a BB hater but I do think it was time to move on. I don't understand the scapegoat comment. Bill owns the 4-13 record, the lousy offensive stats and the poor roster. Lack of results over the last 4 is reason enough for a change.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I'm not a BB hater but I do think it was time to move on. I don't understand the scapegoat comment. Bill owns the 4-13 record, the lousy offensive stats and the poor roster. Lack of results over the last 4 is reason enough for a change.

Clearly BB is accountable for some bad decisions and is not a likeable person. Reloading on the fly is fraught with failure. When the team hit some long overdue bumps in the road that RKK directly and accidentally helped create BB was left holding the bag. I have an issue with the media campaign to absolve Robert 'I don't meddle in football decisions' Kraft of any involvement. It is Terry Francona all over again.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Clearly BB is accountable for some bad decisions and is not a likeable person. Reloading on the fly is fraught with failure. When the team hit some long overdue bumps in the road that RKK directly and accidentally helped create BB was left holding the bag. I have an issue with the media campaign to absolve Robert 'I don't meddle in football decisions' Kraft of any involvement. It is Terry Francona all over again.

We know that Kraft does get involved in certain cases. We know that he insisted on meeting with Moss in person before the trade went down. It's likely he was involved in canning Brown after it came out that he couldn't keep his nose clean.

But there are a number of criticisms of Kraft that just don't make sense, like him "ordering" a Garoppolo trade in 2017 . . . when they didn't have any clear path for keeping him after 2017.

 

[BTTA]

Got rid of Brady with no plan in place. Biggest mistake of Belichick’s career.

He had a couple of plans in place. They just didn't work. Which fits the percentages in the NFL.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

We know that Kraft does get involved in certain cases. We know that he insisted on meeting with Moss in person before the trade went down. It's likely he was involved in canning Brown after it came out that he couldn't keep his nose clean.

But there are a number of criticisms of Kraft that just don't make sense, like him "ordering" a Garoppolo trade in 2017 . . . when they didn't have any clear path for keeping him after 2017.

Kraft has stated many times that he leaves the football decisions to BB, even though everyone knows that it isn't true. There have been a lot of reports coming out of this that don't make sense, the whole thing has been a complete crap show. I know that the media needs to make a living, but this is ridiculous. It doesn't feel like things will settle down any time soon.

 

[BTTA]

Kraft has stated many times that he leaves the football decisions to BB, even though everyone knows that it isn't true. There have been a lot of reports coming out of this that don't make sense, the whole thing has been a complete crap show. I know that the media needs to make a living, but this is ridiculous. It doesn't feel like things will settle down any time soon.

There's no "everyone knows" here. It is a mirage, a narrative to advance cheap media. The fact that the reports don't make sense is not an indication that it is "a crap show." It is evidence only of what it is: incomplete information.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

There's no "everyone knows" here. It is a mirage, a narrative to advance cheap media. The fact that the reports don't make sense is not an indication that it is "a crap show." It is evidence only of what it is: incomplete information.

One mans crap show is another mans incomplete information. Both labels apply to creating stories out of incomplete information with an agenda depending upon allegiances. What we are experiencing is the opposite of the dynamic when things were going well. All parties wanted to be thought of as the reason for success and now no one wants to be implicated for mistakes. The reality of both situations is that multiple people contributed, combined with the randomness of the universe the outcomes were very different. The famous quote “Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan” applies here. The best case scenario is that both BB and the team do well.

 

[Lavictoire]

I think Bill was waiting. I remember posting during the draft questioning why Bill didnt trade up to assure we got a QB but instead just let Mac fall to him. We desperately needed to get one and I thought that just standing pat was an unnecessary risk. I remember asking Deus Irae, why did Bill just wait like that? It might be true he didnt want Mac.

 

[Wozzy]

Mike Lombardi said BB liked Davis Mills back in 2021 after the draft. Funniest part about this thread is the OP thinking BB is Jeff Howe's source and leaking rumors.

BB will live rent free in the head of the haters for a decade or so... they'll reinvent history and suggest without Bill, Tom could have won ten or more rings.

Nobody knows what happened here at the end, if the Krafts stuck their nose in and clenched up during the rebuild. Who cares?

The big bad meanie is gone... move on with your lives.