PostGame Thread 2023 OFFICIAL Week 18 PostGame Thread: Patriots Lose to Jets 17-3

[farn]

When you lose to the jets, that's as rock-bottom as it gets. What a nasty season.

The NYJ with that QB besides…

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Not big on the QB excuse.

Patriots went 4-13 and didn’t have a QB injury.

Steelers played varying degrees of dogshit at QB, lost their low level starter, and went 10-7.

Browns went 11-6 with Dogshit Watson and Joe Flacco.

NYJ had much worse QBs. It isn’t even arguable or close. Wilson, Boyle, Sieimien. 7-10.

Raiders had awful QB play. Benched Garoppolo. Patriots even got to face Brian Hoyer, who wasn’t good enough to remain with them. 7-10 or 8-9.

Colts played a backup QB all season and Minshew is a fringe starter/backup. 9-8.

Bengals had Burrow hobbling around all year and then played a backup the rest of the way. 8-9.

Tannnehill is hot garbage. Tennessee went 6-11.

Russell Wilson absolutely sucks...turnover machine. Sack machine. Payton hates him. Broncos 8-9 / 9-8.

That’s just the AFC.

Most of these teams are also dealing with big money QB contracts (Watson, Wilson, Rodgers, Burrow, Tannehill, Garoppolo). The Patriots are not. Despite not needing to pay big money at QB, the Patriots saved money on skill positions to build depth and fielded one of the worst special teams units in football, a joke of an offensive line, and their defense couldn’t carry them to wins as all these other mentioned teams were able to.

BuT BiLL NeEdZ a Qb! they say about the guy who four years ago they claimed was the only coach in football who could win with any QB.

 

[vicspats]

I'm no fan of the media but Bill acts like an ******* in press conferences and he never takes responsibility for his team losing

You must be an out of towner. Every post game he takes responsibility for losses. Never takes any credit but passes it off to the team. I swear that some people on this site never played any level of organized sports past middle school. TEAM .. it’s what Bill preached. One Patriot place is where men work. He didn’t want idiots looking over his shoulder. Reporters don’t make good athletes. And from what I’ve seen in the Boston media athletes for the most part actually make better reporters/media figures.

 

[sb1]

4-13. You are exactly what your record says you are.

There is no "but QB but this but that we're a contender!11!" That dog don't hunt.

 

[The Gr8est]

you know you have reached new levels of suckage when you lose at home to the Jets (by 2 TD's). I hope the Kraft's are factoring this in to whatever decisions they make.

Wrong take.

Mo Lewis knocked Drew Bledsoe out of the game, and ultimately opened the door for Tom Brady to walk through and lead the Pats to 20 years of rat dominance.

THEN, just as the Pats are struggling to find a new QB to lead the Pats future, the Rats oblige by helping the Pats be in a position to draft their next 20 year nemesis.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Felt like the charger game. Theres just no excuse for games like that offensively, none! Even if a team had to play an entire ol of backups i think any competent team could find a way to do SOMETHING

 

[Ring 6]

4-13. Last place in the division... 3 games behind the 3rd place team who oddly enough also had a crap QB situation.

It's weird though that they didn't lose 13 games but we did. I wonder why.


The defense stunk without him and the coaching was terrible in that one too. So they lost to Nick Foles. Funny how that works.

Repeatedly listing their record does not refute that their record would have been better with better qb play.

Are you saying with prime Tom Brady at qb they wouldn’t have won any more games?

Very funny how that works, you can make the exact same argument I am making when it suits you, but say it doesn’t work that way when it does not.

 

[sb1]

Repeatedly listing their record does not refute that their record would have been better with better qb play.

Are you saying with prime Tom Brady at qb they wouldn’t have won any more games?

I'm saying 4-13 teams can't use the QB excuse. They are a terrible football team, terrible roster and terrible coaching and no an average QB wouldn't have made a lick of difference in the final standings.

 

[Ring 6]

4-13. You are exactly what your record says you are.

There is no "but QB but this but that we're a contender!11!" That dog don't hunt.

So every 4-13 team is that same, and they all lost for the same reasons, and none have different strengths or weakness?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Guys, the Detroit Pistons may be 3-32, but if they had prime Michael Jordan, their record would be a lot better, and this gives me a lot of confidence in the organization.

 

[Twentytothree]

I agree but a new HC may not feel that way.

That would be a disqualifying answer in the interview process.

 

[Ross12]

So let’s say the Cardinals beat the Seahawks, and obviously the Giants will win today - that would actually put the Chargers at pick 4 if they lose. Then Kraft makes them send NE that pick for Bill. Draft Daniels & Nabors together

 

[Ring 6]

I'm saying 4-13 teams can't use the QB excuse. They are a terrible football team, terrible roster and terrible coaching and no an average QB wouldn't have made a lick of difference in the final standings.

Nobody is making an excuse.
I am discussing the impact of the QB position.

So your argument is qb play doesn’t matter? A team getting average qb play is exactly the same as a team getting horrible qb play?

You think with average qb play we still have the pathetic end zone int vs Indy?4 first half turnovers vs buffalo? Zero points vs,the chargers?

Qb play doesn’t mean anything? That’s your argument?

 

[sb1]

So every 4-13 team is that same, and they all lost for the same reasons, and none have different strengths or weakness?

Yes every 4-13 team sucks.

 

[sb1]

Nobody is making an excuse.
I am discussing the impact of the QB position.

So your argument is qb play doesn’t matter? A team getting average qb play is exactly the same as a team getting horrible qb play?

You think with average qb play we still have the pathetic end zone int vs Indy?4 first half turnovers vs buffalo? Zero points vs,the chargers?

Qb play doesn’t mean anything? That’s your argument?

They're 4-13. The QB excuse doesn't fly.

 

[The Gr8est]

So let’s say the Cardinals beat the Seahawks, and obviously the Giants will win today - that would actually put the Chargers at pick 4 if they lose. Then Kraft makes them send NE that pick for Bill. Draft Daniels & Nabors together

I doubt that happens.

No team is trading the #4 pick in the draft for a HC.

Maybe their 2025 pick would be in play though.

 

[KCSVEN]

So let’s say the Cardinals beat the Seahawks, and obviously the Giants will win today - that would actually put the Chargers at pick 4 if they lose. Then Kraft makes them send NE that pick for Bill. Draft Daniels & Nabors together

No way they get a first round pick from the Chargers for BB, especially this years.. Absolutely not happening this year.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Andy is making an industry disrupting hypothesis that better football players would lead to better football results. This type of statement makes many of us uncomfortable because it challenges our core beliefs.

 

[Ring 6]

They're 4-13. The QB excuse doesn't fly.

It’s not an excuse it’s analyzing the team.

Tell me which of those 7 games would they have lost if the qb play was average and not awful?

 

[sb1]

It’s not an excuse it’s analyzing the team.

Tell me which of those 7 games would they have lost if the qb play was average and not awful?

What else is there to analyze?


The Jets didn't get good QB play either so why do you think they buried the Pats in last place by 3 games anyway?