Is it possible Bill can save his job by benching Mac Jones and blaming the season on him?

[Rob0729]

where did this play go to?

Mac was sacked.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If someone has to twist themselves into knots to prove the roster is actually good and guys are constantly open...it's not and they are not.

No one actually believes this is a good roster except for the Bill homers.

Still keep hearing about Thornton being open in the all-22! And he played 0 snaps yesterday.

My favorite excuse is that "they just didn't execute".

 

[Ring 6]

First, 52 other players did not play well enough to win. If you think that, you are insane. The offensive line was awful in the first half. Lowe was benched because he couldn't handle his blocking assignment. Mac was sacked five times in the first half. The Patriots scored six points. The kicker missed a chip shot FG. Zappe threw an INT with enough time to still win the game. JuJu had several presnap penalties. Henry fumbled the ball (luckily it was recovered by Andrews).

If 10 makes that easy throw do they win? Of course they do. That absolutely means they played well enough to win if he didn’t choke.
You seem to think that requires playing perfectly.

As to your other points I’m not sure which game you watched. Lowe wasn’t benched, he came in for a few plays when mcd was injured. They scored 6 points because if the QB. You know him, the guy who couldn’t complete 2 easy TD passes.
Juju getting called for the ball being snapped before he was set is the fault of……..the Qb who called for the Sami too soon.
Zappe wouldn’t have thrown an int if 10 completed the easiest TD pass in the league all day.

 

[Rob0729]

Wrong. Zeke isn’t just running wherever he wants. 10 knows the route. QBs have to throw the ball before the break. This is not to mention that he walked into a player laying in the ground to let him sack him.

Zeke is 100% open. Maybe this is why you are confused. A qb doesn’t wait until after the cut and then decide.
Zeke is open because we know he is running an out and the defender is playing inside leverage and giving a cushion.
If you roll forward the TE on the right looks in your world, open but he really isn’t because the defender wasn’t giving cushion and is ready to break it up.
A COMPETANT QB READS THAT.

And what about juju? Wide open for a 20 yard gain.

On a quick out route, you cannot throw the ball before the receiver makes his break and looks back for the ball. You need to learn how to play football. You can do it on a deep out route because the ball takes time to get down the field. But not on a short one.

 

[RIpats88]

If 10 makes that easy throw do they win? Of course they do. That absolutely means they played well enough to win if he didn’t choke.
You seem to think that requires playing perfectly.

As to your other points I’m not sure which game you watched. Lowe wasn’t benched, he came in for a few plays when mcd was injured. They scored 6 points because if the QB. You know him, the guy who couldn’t complete 2 easy TD passes.
Juju getting called for the ball being snapped before he was set is the fault of……..the Qb who called for the Sami too soon.
Zappe wouldn’t have thrown an int if 10 completed the easiest TD pass in the league all day.

Beating the colts with minshew 13-10 if Mac makes a routine TD pass doesn't prove this roster is good enough.

 

[RIpats88]

My favorite excuse is that "they just didn't execute".

Not sure how fans can watch other NFL teams like Miami, Philly, San Francisco, Bengals etc....

And look at our receiving core and try and argue it's good

 

[Ring 6]

I never once defended that at all. But our ceiling when playing our best being a .500 team is not good.

Not sure why it's such a hard concept. But Mac can be bad and the receivers/roster/ol can also be garbage

.500 is what the team would be if 10 didn’t choke in 3 games. 3 drives without choking.
That is hardly a ceiling and hardly requires playing our best.
It’s what we would be with a qb who didn’t **** himself when the game was in the line. That’s the floor of where they would be with a competant, average QB and everything else that has happened, including all of the injuries.
Bad QB play means that much.

Yes he cold suck and everyone could suck but the fact that the team would be 5-5 with a bad qb who just doesn’t **** himself tells me that’s not the case.

 

[Ring 6]

Beating the colts with minshew 13-10 if Mac makes a routine TD pass doesn't prove this roster is good enough.

If proves the other 52 players played well enough to win that game if 10 executed a routine play.

I’m not sure where “the roster is good enough” comes from.
You can’t even tell that with an incompetent QB.

 

[stcjones]

No….Bill created everything NEGATIVE in regards to the Patriots right now…..AND for the past 4 years! It all comes back to Bill Belichick for the Dumpster Fire that this organization has become…..Time for Bill to go…and Mac’s days as a Patriot are also over I would imagine

 

[RIpats88]

.500 is what the team would be if 10 didn’t choke in 3 games. 3 drives without choking.
That is hardly a ceiling and hardly requires playing our best.
It’s what we would be with a qb who didn’t **** himself when the game was in the line. That’s the floor of where they would be with a competant, average QB and everything else that has happened, including all of the injuries.
Bad QB play means that much.

Yes he cold suck and everyone could suck but the fact that the team would be 5-5 with a bad qb who just doesn’t **** himself tells me that’s not the case.

And .500 is good? I don't get it.

Even the most ardent bb supporters in the media thought this team was a 6-7 win team given the poor roster and schedule.

No one expected it to be 2-8 bad. But that doesn't mean being a .500 team is some great accomplishment like you want to make it seem.

 

[203Pat]

If someone has to twist themselves into knots to prove the roster is actually good and guys are constantly open...it's not and they are not.

No one actually believes this is a good roster except for the Bill homers.

Still keep hearing about Thornton being open in the all-22! And he played 0 snaps yesterday.

Posters on here will claim TT was good yesterday.

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure how fans can watch other NFL teams like Miami, Philly, San Francisco, Bengals etc....

And look at our receiving core and try and argue it's good

Put 10 on those trans and everyone is complaining no one gets open.

Who argued the receivers are as good as those teams?

 

[RIpats88]

If proves the other 52 players played well enough to win that game if 10 executed a routine play.

I’m not sure where “the roster is good enough” comes from.
You can’t even tell that with an incompetent QB.

I can tell that Douglas is the only competent receiver we have, our OL can't block. Our special teams is a joke and that our defense can't stop any half way decent team.

And that's before getting to Mac Jones playing scared with horrid mechanics.

Beating the colts with better QB play isn't a flex.

 

[RIpats88]

Put 10 on those trans and everyone is complaining no one gets open.

Who argued the receivers are as good as those teams?

You just argued this in the same post you are asking who is arguing it.

Our receivers would be Deebo and kittle if Mac was good.

This whole "you have to blame either Mac or the roster" is the dumbest thing I've encountered on this board.

Both can be true

 

[Ring 6]

And .500 is good? I don't get it.

Even the most ardent bb supporters in the media thought this team was a 6-7 win team given the poor roster and schedule.

No one expected it to be 2-8 bad. But that doesn't mean being a .500 team is some great accomplishment like you want to make it seem.

Huh? How am I calling it “an accomplishment”
This is a 2-8 team largely because of horrendous QB play, and competant QB play just in 3 games that were there to be won if the QB didn’t choke tells me how much the QB okay is accountable for that
And that doesn’t even take into account his awful play in other games.

 

[Steve102]

I froze the shot at the point where Jones had to get rid of the ball. We agree that Zeke was open when he made the cut, but he made the cut too late. Here is the screen shot from when Zeke makes his cut. Explain to me how Mac was going to make that throw while being leg whipped by the defender.

Mac was sacked.

Thanks. I had a book written on the first screen shot, only for you to post the 2nd one and have me say nevermind. But to your point, he really couldn't throw it to Zeke unless he had 100% confidence in where he'd be when he released the ball. We know this guy doesn't have that level of confidence. I think both you and Ring have valid points.

The second shot shows that here's no way he could step into it to fire the ball into JJSS. I question where or not he could see Henry with the oncoming rusher. I think a guy with a cannon arm makes the JJSS throw, or a super cerebral one zips it to Zeke. One with both skills goes to Henry, knowing he's the best player right now.

Who's running the go route? Boutte?

 

[Ring 6]

I can tell that Douglas is the only competent receiver we have, our OL can't block. Our special teams is a joke and that our defense can't stop any half way decent team.

And that's before getting to Mac Jones playing scared with horrid mechanics.

Beating the colts with better QB play isn't a flex.

How does a QB playing scared with horrible mechanics complete 65.4% of his passes if no one is open?
Before yesterday the patriots allowed the 7th fewest sacks in the league.

How are special teams a joke?
The defense has been fine.

Sorry, I seem to be looking at facts and you want to whine.

 

[Ring 6]

Thanks. I had a book written on the first screen shot, only for you to post the 2nd one and have me say nevermind. But to your point, he really couldn't throw it to Zeke unless he had 100% confidence in where he'd be when he released the ball. We know this guy doesn't have that level of confidence. I think both you and Ring have valid points.

The second shot shows that here's no way he could step into it to fire the ball into JJSS. I question where or not he could see Henry with the oncoming rusher. I think a guy with a cannon arm makes the JJSS throw, or a super cerebral one zips it to Zeke. One with both skills goes to Henry, knowing he's the best player right now.

Who's running the go route? Boutte?

If he can’t throw to Zeke then we can’t have an nfl passing offense.
10 KNOWS THE ROUTE. If you think he has to wait until the route is over to decide what to do, you have just explained why he has no clue out there.

He also knows what route JUJU is running and he is supposed to read the coverage and KNOW that’s where to go. Instead he runs AT the guy in the ground and trips over him.
A decent qb is kicking his chips to get that ball to juju. And he could have released it at any point because HE KNOWS THE ROUTE.

 

[Ring 6]

You just argued this in the same post you are asking who is arguing it.

Our receivers would be Deebo and kittle if Mac was good.

This whole "you have to blame either Mac or the roster" is the dumbest thing I've encountered on this board.

Both can be true

Where the f##k did I ever argue that?

I never said anything like that.

I said receivers are open 10 can’t find them and there are at least 3 losses that would have been wins if he didn’t **** himself.

Stop making up that I said something I didn’t do you can argue with yourself.

 

[Steve102]

If he can’t throw to Zeke then we can’t have an nfl passing offense.

Stop. That's the end. Mac is damaged goods and can't do it right now.

Everything else you said is predicated on Mac being competent. He's not, not right now anyway. You're points are valid, 100%, but Mac is broken.