Belichick signed to long term contract

[Patsfan1958]

 

[203Pat]

Payment for the coaches is out of the pocket of Kraft.

The management of the CBA required cap is different.

Kraft has said he has always provided Bill with anything he needs. I highly doubt Bill is on the side of route 1 shaking a cup full of coins to raise money for additional coaches.

 

[203Pat]

No give it to him as long as he is willing to do it because he is the best man who has ever done the job.

Who do you want instead?

So you basically said yes to my lifetime achievement statement.

Ben Johnson, Eric Beinemy, Frank Smith, Shane Waldron, McVay if he becomes available. Offensive minded guys.

 

[Ring 6]

11-18 is not acceptable and justification for scrutiny by management. My opinion is that 11-18 is largely due to the decision to bring in MP as the OC and the lingering malaise that has brought everything into question and distracted the team. Clearly Kraft was in the loop on the experiment, which was likely a play to keep the seat warm for BOB, or he would not have signed BB to the extension. The OL injuries to start the year only exacerbated the situation. If BB can keep the team together coming out of the rough patch and consistently compete in every game he will have proved that he is still a great coach.

If that is correct then calls to fire belichick would be punishment and retribution for a decision, not judgment of his ability. This has been my point all along. GMs and HCs make thousands of decisions. The best ones are right a little bit more than wrong. You don’t move on from someone over a decision when that person has the best ever track record of making decisions. Unless you just want retribution because you are mad.

 

[Ring 6]

So you basically said yes to my lifetime achievement statement.

Ben Johnson, Eric Beinemy, Frank Smith, Shane Waldron, McVay if he becomes available. Offensive minded guys.

So you want to replace the greatest winner in the history of the sport with someone who has never done the job? True genius.

 

[Steve102]

I am defining his recent job performance.

I think it's 100% reasonable to judge Bill based on the last 3-4 years, and if they revert to the Cowboys/Saints games level of performance, I think it's fair to assume they can and should make changes. As a former member of IBWT, I have zero problem with that and will be calling for his job description to change. His greatness prior to now does carry weight, but only so much. I don't see Bill being happy sticking around with 6-8 wins per year, and I don't see the Krafts being happy with less than that.

So you want to replace the greatest winner in the history of the sport with someone who has never done the job? True genius.

At some point, someone has to replace him, he's not going to coach forever. There's certainly fewer days/seasons in front than behind. Do you want a young, fresh mind or someone who's a recycled name with a middling level of success. Legit question, not being flippant. Keep in mind, the only one with a resume who even approaches Bill is Andy Reid. Bill is truly in a class of his own, among contemporaries anyway. You'd have to get the Ghost of Halas to replace him, assuming that no one here wants Shula. There's no one in the NFL who can fill out a HC job application like Bill Belichick.

Following a legend is no picnic, and it's not for everyone. I would wager that there's guys you could cross off the list because they don't want it for that reason.

 

[203Pat]

So you want to replace the greatest winner in the history of the sport with someone who has never done the job? True genius.

Yes when the greatest to ever do it has let the game pass him by and basically build a worse team each year post-Brady.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

and only “coaching players he like”

Yea that was a luxury he had when we were on top, but that is no longer the case. He's the highest paid Coach/GM in the entire league and has been for some time, so quite frankly I don't give a **** if there is a player he doesn't "like", if they're a good player and can help this team win games then his desire to like them takes a huge backseat

If he's still making decisions based on who he likes/doesnt like, then he needs to have GM duties removed immediately.

 

[Ring 6]

I think it's 100% reasonable to judge Bill based on the last 3-4 years, and if they revert to the Cowboys/Saints games level of performance, I think it's fair to assume they can and should make changes. As a former member of IBWT, I have zero problem with that and will be calling for his job description to change. His greatness prior to now does carry weight, but only so much. I don't see Bill being happy sticking around with 6-8 wins per year, and I don't see the Krafts being happy with less than that.

At some point, someone has to replace him, he's not going to coach forever. There's certainly fewer days/seasons in front than behind. Do you want a young, fresh mind or someone who's a recycled name with a middling level of success. Legit question, not being flippant. Keep in mind, the only one with a resume who even approaches Bill is Andy Reid. Bill is truly in a class of his own, among contemporaries anyway. You'd have to get the Ghost of Halas to replace him, assuming that no one here wants Shula. There's no one in the NFL who can fill out a HC job application like Bill Belichick.

Following a legend is no picnic, and it's not for everyone. I would wager that there's guys you could cross off the list because they don't want it for that reason.

Its100% unreasonable to judge him SOLELY on the last 3-4 years.
The reason to keep him isn’t just to keep him but to give us the best chance to get back in top.

At the time he is done, you assess the candidates. Experience is important because it shows what they can do in that role. The poster suggested Waldron who has been an OC for 2 1/2 years on a team that’s been 20-20 and averaged ranking 12 in points and 16 in total offense. I mean come on, fire the GOAT to get a 2 1//2 OC who has coached mediocrity?

People keep talking about “young fresh ideas” as if that’s a proven formula for success and it surely isn’t. Ultimately you want the best guy and best doesn’t fit a stereotype.

 

[Steve102]

Its100% unreasonable to judge him SOLELY on the last 3-4 years.
The reason to keep him isn’t just to keep him but to give us the best chance to get back in top.

At the time he is done, you assess the candidates. Experience is important because it shows what they can do in that role. The poster suggested Waldron who has been an OC for 2 1/2 years on a team that’s been 20-20 and averaged ranking 12 in points and 16 in total offense. I mean come on, fire the GOAT to get a 2 1//2 OC who has coached mediocrity?

People keep talking about “young fresh ideas” as if that’s a proven formula for success and it surely isn’t. Ultimately you want the best guy and best doesn’t fit a stereotype.

I think the thought process for some folks is to think out of the box instead of recycling the same old names.

 

[XLIX]

So much attention is being paid to who would replace Belichick as HC if he leaves.

We are ignoring the far more important question: Who would replace Belichick as GM if he leaves? That's the one Kraft needs to get right.

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Ring 6]

Yes when the greatest to ever do it has let the game pass him by and basically build a worse team each year post-Brady.

Was 2021 worse than 2020?
Was the tram you saw beat buffalo worse than the 2022 team?
How much has the start of this season been hampered by the unusually excessive amounts of injuries to the OL and secondary?

 

[Ring 6]

I think the thought process for some folks is to think out of the box instead of recycling the same old names.

Who said anything about recycling old names?
Thinking outside the box as a euphemism for hiring inexperienced and unqualified people doesn’t do much for me.
No one has shown me anyone that I would prefer to the guy we have.

 

[Ring 6]

Yea that was a luxury he had when we were on top, but that is no longer the case. He's the highest paid Coach/GM in the entire league and has been for some time, so quite frankly I don't give a **** if there is a player he doesn't "like", if they're a good player and can help this team win games then his desire to like them takes a huge backseat

If he's still making decisions based on who he likes/doesnt like, then he needs to have GM duties removed immediately.

That was an off the cuff comment in an interview with his buddy on the eve of the SB. Not a strategy or action plan.

 

[Steve102]

Who said anything about recycling old names?
Thinking outside the box as a euphemism for hiring inexperienced and unqualified people doesn’t do much for me.
No one has shown me anyone that I would prefer to the guy we have.

At some point, sooner than later, the decision to move on from Bill will be made, by either Kraft or Bill himself. I don't feel it's to soon to think about it at 2-5. A win this week should quiet the naysayers further. If they end up with a successful season overall, then I think we can table that discussion for the immediate future, but certainly in the long term, it's a subject worth discussing. He's not going to coach forever, and someone has to do the job and succeed him. I have no idea who that should be, and to you point, the next guy certainly will not have the resume that Bill does.

 

[203Pat]

Was 2021 worse than 2020?
Was the tram you saw beat buffalo worse than the 2022 team?
How much has the start of this season been hampered by the unusually excessive amounts of injuries to the OL and secondary?

This team is significantly worse than last years.

 

[Ring 6]

At some point, sooner than later, the decision to move on from Bill will be made, by either Kraft or Bill himself. I don't feel it's too soon to think about it at 2-5. A win this week should quiet the naysayers further. If they end up with a successful season overall, then I think we can table that discussion for the immediate future, but certainly in the long term, it's a subject worth discussing. He's not going to coach forever, and someone has to do the job and succeed him. I have no idea who that should be, and to you point, the next guy certainly will not have the resume that Bill does.

I think it’s silly to act as if one game or a few games are needed to judge him. He is the greatest to ever do the job. That isn’t going to change if they lose 6 in a row or win 6 in a row. In either case he is the best man for the job for as long as he wants the job.
We would not be a closer to a championship today if we had replaced belichick at any time in the past.

 

[Ring 6]

This team is significantly worse than last years.

How so? They may have played better Sunday than in any game last year.
And that corresponds 100% to the health of the OL.
If they have to put the worst OL in the NFL out there with 2 rookie Gs and an abysmal RT they are worse than last year, it not worse than they would have been last year with the same injuries.

 

[RIpats88]

I will say though. If patriots go on a run here and end up 8-9, 7-10 etc. Bill probably isn't getting fired

He probably will sell Kraft on the draft and oodles of cap space to improve