If this is Bill’s last season as HC, who do you want as a replacement?

[Rob0729]

I am afraid that Kraft will go with Mayo. Nothing against Mayo, but he runs the risk of just continuing a lot of what isn't working these days and coming at building the team as a defense first with an efficient offense philosophy. He might be a great head coach some day, but I am concerned that he will be too much like Belichick to help fix the problems with this team.

 

[venecol]

I’ll admit the kingsbury comp was a bit harsh.

His college record is great. I am a little concerned of hiring a guy who’s coming from the big12/pac12 where opposing defenses are suspect at best. Once Riley’s teams ran into the SECs best in the playoffs his defenses couldn’t stop a nosebleed.

He's an offensive minded HC. Would need to find a good DC. Where could we find one of those?

 

[Sciz]

SF OC

There isn’t one. Kyle Shanahan has only had an OC for one of his seven seasons (Mike McDaniel, 2021).

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Question for you guys who wanted BB to tank, what would a tank year look like?

 

[TomPatriot]

Question for you guys who wanted BB to tank, what would a tank year look like?

Worse than this?

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Worse than this?

I don't know, is this a tank year? If he did tank, I don't think it would be obvious and we'd all be calling for RK to fire Bill the GM, sort of what's happening now. Put an average to below roster out there with a QB who isn't that good and just play out the season. Get a top 2-3 pick and rebuild. If he would have done it in 2020 or 2021 or any other year he'd get eviscerated here.

 

[Froob]

There isn’t one. Kyle Shanahan has only had an OC for one of his seven seasons (Mike McDaniel, 2021).

Passing game coordinator then

 

[Zuma]

Amanda Belichick

 

[upstater1]

If he wasn’t building to win, where are all those draft picks and young players he’s traded for?

On point 4, give examples of how he “blew it out” with the cap. The team made no splash signings and were conservative with restructuring. “Fiscal responsibility”…Bill built it so they would be able to keep on chugging post-Brady. His retconning of the situation made me start to really lose respect for him as an excuse maker and gaslighter. You should compare this supposed “cap hell” they were in compared to teams that actually did what Bill claimed he did. Saints and Rams come to mind.

What was he going to use to trade for young players? What do you mean where are all the draft picks? I really don't know what you mean by this.

All the dead money from 2018-2019 was moved into 2020. He sold out for the Super Bowl victory of 2018.

Just like the Rams did 2 years ago. This isn't even a mystery. Look at how much cap space they created in 2021 by taking the hit. Why is this so difficult?

 

[upstater1]

You could say that each year without Brady. It is the guy picking the QB and free agents that sucks. He isn't building to win because without Brady because he can't. The reason that most of those players from 2020 are gone is because it was a combination of older vets and bad draft picks. Both groups are gone because they can't play. In theory N'Keal Harry would have been re-signed or on his 5th year option, Isiah Wynn would be a fixture at LT, Winovich would be putting up 10 sacks a year, Jonnu would be scoring TDs and be a matchup problem for the defense. None of those things happened because Bill has whiffed continuously in the last few years with roster construction.

You're all over the place. Now you're saying he wasn't trying to win.

You totally contradicted yourself.

You argue one thing. Then you flip and argue the exact opposite.

You know something, have the last word because Im never responding to anything you write ever again

 

[Ring 6]

You said it best his friends! We all know BBs life has been football. We know he has friends and associates all over the sport. But it's just time to have some outside input not associated with BB. We know to justify the 25 Mill. Salary he's the GM/HC. That's alot of responsibility he's taken on over 23 seasons. Me personally I'd like Mike Tannenbaum to be a consultant on picking players.. he knows how to correctly identify talent on all sided of the Ball. We've had the same system for 23 seasons so BB has always wanted guys to fit in his system. The guys we did hit on last 2 seasons are either on IR or underperforming. Special teams has sorely been lacking without Marcus.

Mike Tannrnbaum, are you kidding me? Why not Bobby Grier?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What was he going to use to trade for young players? What do you mean where are all the draft picks? I really don't know what you mean by this.

Already been covered numerous times. Gilmore, Thuney, McCourty, Wynn, among others, had trade value in 2020 and 2021. The Gilmore trade was too late and a joke of a return.

All the dead money from 2018-2019 was moved into 2020. He sold out for the Super Bowl victory of 2018.

And could have been moved to 2021 as well. Brady’s contract could have easily been structured as such. They weren’t even in a terrible cap situation. It wasn’t ideal in 2020 but it wasn’t some cap hell situation. Given their frenzy in 2021, it’s obvious that the space in 2020 could have been increased via maneuvering had they wanted to.

Once again you were asked to point out examples of how he “sold out” and once again ignore the question.

The Patriots refused to give Gronk a raise, cost cut by letting Amendola and Cooks walk, wouldn’t give Thuney a market extension, and obviously held back on giving Brady anything close to market. They let Flowers walk. They let Chandler Jones walk.

Where exactly are these big sellout moves? There were articles about how they weren’t going to do other teams were doing because they wanted to compete in future years as well. You’re singing revisionist tune.

Just like the Rams did 2 years ago. This isn't even a mystery. Look at how much cap space they created in 2021 by taking the hit. Why is this so difficult?

Rams traded for Stafford, Miller and Ramsey. They made Donald and Cupp highest paid at their positions. They spent like drunken sailors. This is nothing at all like the Patriots situation.

 

[TBR]

Brian Hoyer

 

[upstater1]

Already been covered numerous times. Gilmore, Thuney, McCourty, Wynn, among others, had trade value in 2020 and 2021. The Gilmore trade was too late and a joke of a return.

And could have been moved to 2021 as well. Brady’s contract could have easily been structured as such. They weren’t even in a terrible cap situation. It wasn’t ideal in 2020 but it wasn’t some cap hell situation. Given their frenzy in 2021, it’s obvious that the space in 2020 could have been increased via maneuvering had they wanted to.

Once again you were asked to point out examples of how he “sold out” and once again ignore the question.

The Patriots refused to give Gronk a raise, cost cut by letting Amendola and Cooks walk, wouldn’t give Thuney a market extension, and obviously held back on giving Brady anything close to market. They let Flowers walk. They let Chandler Jones walk.

Where exactly are these big sellout moves? There were articles about how they weren’t going to do other teams were doing because they wanted to compete in future years as well. You’re singing revisionist tune.

Rams traded for Stafford, Miller and Ramsey. They made Donald and Cupp highest paid at their positions. They spent like drunken sailors. This is nothing at all like the Patriots situation.

Gilmore yes, but the #1 goal would not have been to trade Thuney. It would've been to retain him. Wynn too.

This is ENTIRELY why I'm against trading our young talent now. The NFL rebuild cycle is only 3 years. You're spinning your wheels if you're trying to trade guys moving into their second contracts. That's the meat of their entire careers, years 4-7.

2019 pretty much showed the limits of the talent. We were at an end. Especially with Covid and Hightower etc. taking the year off, so reproducing 2019 in 2020 doesn't help the team move forward.

Why are we talking about letting Cooks walk? We got a 1st rounder for him. I mean, this is the exact OPPOSITE of what you are arguing. We got a great deal in a trade of a veteran. AND we won the Super Bowl.

Belichick can't win either way with you guys, you argue both sides of the issue.


I'm really done with this nonsense. Argue with yourselves, chase your tails around in circles. It's nothing but drivel.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Gilmore yes, but the #1 goal would not have been to trade Thuney. It would've been to retain him. Wynn too.

This is ENTIRELY why I'm against trading our young talent now. The NFL rebuild cycle is only 3 years. You're spinning your wheels if you're trying to trade guys moving into their second contracts. That's the meat of their entire careers, years 4-7.

2019 pretty much showed the limits of the talent. We were at an end. Especially with Covid and Hightower etc. taking the year off, so reproducing 2019 in 2020 doesn't help the team move forward.

Why are we talking about letting Cooks walk? We got a 1st rounder for him. I mean, this is the exact OPPOSITE of what you are arguing. We got a great deal in a trade of a veteran. AND we won the Super Bowl.

Belichick can't win either way with you guys, you argue both sides of the issue.


I'm really done with this nonsense. Argue with yourselves, chase your tails around in circles. It's nothing but drivel.

Okay bye

 

[amfootball]

If he wasn’t building to win, where are all those draft picks and young players he’s traded for?

On point 4, give examples of how he “blew it out” with the cap. The team made no splash signings and were conservative with restructuring. “Fiscal responsibility”…Bill built it so they would be able to keep on chugging post-Brady. His retconning of the situation made me start to really lose respect for him as an excuse maker and gaslighter. You should compare this supposed “cap hell” they were in compared to teams that actually did what Bill claimed he did. Saints and Rams come to mind.

That's when I lost respect for him too. Brady was making $16 million heading into 2019 and literally had no weapons whatsoever except for Edelman on one knee. We made no splash signings. In fact, one could argue that the 2018 roster was our worst roster to win a SB save for 2001. KC was so much better than us yet Brady somehow outdueled Mahomes after we got shellacked by 31 points in the second half. We were also fortunate the Rams were down Kupp and Gurley was hurt. Bill has NEVER gone all in. It was the anti-thesis of the "Patriot Way" that he and Kraft touted for 20 years while the GOAT QB delivered them chip after chip ...

 

[amfootball]

Already been covered numerous times. Gilmore, Thuney, McCourty, Wynn, among others, had trade value in 2020 and 2021. The Gilmore trade was too late and a joke of a return.

And could have been moved to 2021 as well. Brady’s contract could have easily been structured as such. They weren’t even in a terrible cap situation. It wasn’t ideal in 2020 but it wasn’t some cap hell situation. Given their frenzy in 2021, it’s obvious that the space in 2020 could have been increased via maneuvering had they wanted to.

Once again you were asked to point out examples of how he “sold out” and once again ignore the question.

The Patriots refused to give Gronk a raise, cost cut by letting Amendola and Cooks walk, wouldn’t give Thuney a market extension, and obviously held back on giving Brady anything close to market. They let Flowers walk. They let Chandler Jones walk.

Where exactly are these big sellout moves? There were articles about how they weren’t going to do other teams were doing because they wanted to compete in future years as well. You’re singing revisionist tune.

Rams traded for Stafford, Miller and Ramsey. They made Donald and Cupp highest paid at their positions. They spent like drunken sailors. This is nothing at all like the Patriots situation.

Going all in for Bill meant trading #2 for Sanu ...

 

[203Pat]

You're all over the place. Now you're saying he wasn't trying to win.

You totally contradicted yourself.

You argue one thing. Then you flip and argue the exact opposite.

You know something, have the last word because Im never responding to anything you write ever again

You just really can't follow along can you? I didn't say he wasn't trying. I said he's trying but he's incapable without Brady.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Gotta hire a GM first.
Good luck with that.
Then see if GM favors Mayo or whomever as HC.

 

[amfootball]

Gilmore yes, but the #1 goal would not have been to trade Thuney. It would've been to retain him. Wynn too.

You are missing the point here. Bill said we were in cap hell. Literally we mortgaged the future in 2018/2019. If that was the case, then how on earth did we franchise Thuney, extend McCourty, kick Gilmore more money, sign Cam, etc? There was absolutely nothing that changed about our business process from 2019 to 2020. Bill was running the team the same he had always been except for lying to all of us when the 2020 season went south, saying he had to go ALL in to win 6 SBs which was and still is a LIE. All he and Kraft ever did for 20 years was talk about cap economics and how the Patriots do business different from everyone else ...