If you were Kraft and this season doesn’t improve, do you move on from Bill after this season?

[archstanton543]

You think only 4 qbs in this league are better than mac?

No but I think that 28 other teams would start Mac. People around here say he's a QB2. He isn't. He's a starter in the NFL.

 

[Jlaff]

If Belichick knew Mac was terrible and he didn’t try to get the best talent available to minimize his terrible play, that is even more damning to Belichick. If you think you have one of the worst QBs in the league, you want to give him a line that allows him to eat a sandwich during the play before he throws the ball and receivers who can’t be covered. You don’t give him a crap o-line and a bunch of slow #2-3 quality receivers. It would only exploit how bad your QB is and lose you games.

You are making a strong argument for Belichick to be fired.

Look at the Dolphins. They know Tua is a limited QB. And they surround him with top talent and a lot of speed to hide his deficiencies.

Is your argument really now that Bill should be fired because he should have known how bad Mac was and made personnel decisions accordingly? Lmfao

Totally sincere question, do you see a therapist? There are the fun "crazy" guys like the Jokers of the world. They say outrageous stuff, stand out in a crowd as a wild man, etc. But those guys aren't actually crazy in a clinical sense.

Then you have the thoroughly deluded types that fly under the radar. Guys with real clinical issues who don't even realize it. You seem like one of these guys.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Watch, when he's gone and you'll get your wish sooner rather than later, he'll have success when he's got the right supporting cast.

it’s gonna be a rude awakening for you

 

[Huckleberry1]

Even if they go 1-16?

(I'm not saying they will...not with another game against the Jets on the schedule)

As I said I would let Belichick go out on his own terms, but if they go 1-16 I could see Belichick firing himself. And the only thing in football as difficult as finding your franchise QB is finding a great coach/GM, or both. Unless they are able to fill each of those roles with great choices we are likely looking at the same fate as every other Dynasty, years of karmic suffering.Though it was great while it lasted.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't agree with the Mac criticism. He's a starting QB on 28 other teams in this league. He not the type of player that can elevate mediocre talent. A lot of starting QB's are like that.

I think he has some strengths, but I also think that those who were concerned that his arm isn’t strong enough may be right. The speed defensive backs play at closes windows incredibly fast, and too often what looks like a good throw gets blown up at the end. There’s still 13 games to play, so we will see what happens, but right now things aren’t looking good. ( obviously)

 

[Nunchucks]

The problem with Mac is that he isn't making better decisions.

That int for a td was inexcusable. He is trying to make throws he is incapable of making. He isn't seeing the field very well, he is tentative and that causes him to be late on throws.

I was watching the commanders, Howell looked pretty good.

 

[RIpats88]

we can replace mac jones with anyone and this is still a horrible team.

the offensive line is bad, the receivers are mediocre and we cant run the ball. that is all on Bill. until Bill puts together a solid offensive core. its pointless talking about replacing the QB.

this isnt a "one person fix" like swapping Winston for Brady. its a whole philosophy of offensive roster building

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

The problem with Mac is that he isn't making better decisions.

That int for a td was inexcusable. He is trying to make throws he is incapable of making. He isn't seeing the field very well, he is tentative and that causes him to be late on throws.

I was watching the commanders, Howell looked pretty good.

Even backup qbs like dobbs look better right now , they were at least competitive against the niners until late third quarter

 

[Rob0729]

Is your argument really now that Bill should be fired because he should have known how bad Mac was and made personnel decisions accordingly? Lmfao

Totally sincere question, do you see a therapist? There are the fun "crazy" guys like the Jokers of the world. They say outrageous stuff, stand out in a crowd as a wild man, etc. But those guys aren't actually crazy in a clinical sense.

Then you have the thoroughly deluded types that fly under the radar. Guys with real clinical issues who don't even realize it. You seem like one of these guys.

Who do you use as a therapist? Asking because I want to stay away from him or her. Because you haven’t cured your obsession with me and twisting my words.

I have said that Belichick should be fired because he refuses to adapt to todays NFL and is still coaching like it is 2010. He refuses to adapt. It has nothing to do with Mac Jones other than he refuses to accept in today’s NFL that you need to have either an elite QB or top receiving talent around him. That would be the case no matter the QB.

And yes, if Belichick knew that the player in the most important position on the field sucked and he didn’t do anything to address that glaring weakness, he is at fault. If he truly thinks Mac sucked before the season and went into the second with no #1 receiver and expected Mac to raise the talent level of the guys around him, then he failed as a GM.

And he went into the season without a viable back up to replace Mac. He passed Zappe through waivers risking losing him and didn’t bring in a veteran. If he knew Mac truly sucked and might be pulled at some point and didn’t have a replacement, that is also criminal.

That doesn’t absolve Mac Jones. If this is what he is, they should get rid of him too. I wouldn‘t upset if they did a full house cleaning next off-season and dumped both Belichick and Mac. This team is going nowhere and has been going nowhere for years. Time for major changes unless they turn it around which doubtful without Judon and Gonzalez.

 

[RIpats88]

Who do you use as a therapist? Asking because I want to stay away from him or her. Because you haven’t cured your obsession with me and twisting my words.

I have said that Belichick should be fired because he refuses to adapt to todays NFL and is still coaching like it is 2010. He refuses to adapt. It has nothing to do with Mac Jones other than he refuses to accept in today’s NFL that you need to have either an elite QB or top receiving talent around him. That would be the case no matter the QB.

And yes, if Belichick knew that the player in the most important position on the field sucked and he didn’t do anything to address that glaring weakness, he is at fault. If he truly thinks Mac sucked before the season and went into the second with no #1 receiver and expected Mac to raise the talent level of the guys around him, then he failed as a GM.

That doesn’t absolve Mac Jones. If this is what he is, they should get rid of him too. I wouldn‘t upset if they did a full house cleaning next off-season and dumped both Belichick and Mac. This team is going nowhere and has been going nowhere for years. Time for major changes unless they turn it around which doubtful without Judon and Gonzalez.

fans need to realize. it doesnt matter who the QB is. if this is bills roster building philosophy we are dead in the water. we can draft the most elite prospect next year. but if you give them this crap be ready for more of the same and the QB ruined

its not a 1 person fix. no one is making stevenson run for more than 2.1ypc or parker/juju/bourne turn elite...

 

[Rob0729]

Kraft picked Mac bc the unwashed media mouth breathers like Felger and Mazz riled up the fanbase against Cam.

I seriously doubt Kraft overruled Belichick. I think that would be a bridge too far for Belichick if the owner was building the team against his will. And after what happened with Parcells, Kraft pretty much vowed he would never force his head coach to draft a player ever again.

 

[RIpats88]

How many garbage rosters and seasons can bill put together until the "bill bobos" stop defending him and deflecting all blame on the players(that he chose)

We are on our 5th season at this point of mediocre to garbage offense. I'm including 2019 when Brady was left out to dry and looked bad behind a poor OL with garbage receivers (sound familiar)

 

[Triumph]

A change is needed at this point, I mean, how much worse can it get?

Keep Corky Gump in and find out.

 

[StanleyGrogan]

A change is needed at this point, I mean, how much worse can it get?

You clearly seem to have forgotten the early 90s.

 

[Rob0729]

The problem with Mac is that he isn't making better decisions.

That int for a td was inexcusable. He is trying to make throws he is incapable of making. He isn't seeing the field very well, he is tentative and that causes him to be late on throws.

I was watching the commanders, Howell looked pretty good.

He made horrible decisions yesterday for sure. Some of the worst. But that hasn’t been the case for the entire season.

 

[sb1]

Like I said if the Patriots get blown out of Gillette Stadium next week by the Saints then I really think there will be changes coming and it won’t be pretty.

 

[Nunchucks]

He made horrible decisions yesterday for sure. Some of the worst. But that hasn’t been the case for the entire season.

Sure, he played ok in other games this year. But he plays too tentative, is slow to make decisions, and has a hard time with adversity.

Maybe a weak armed jay cutler?

 

[archstanton543]

Like I said if the Patriots get blown out of Gillette Stadium next week by the Saints then I really think there will be changes coming and it won’t be pretty.

What changes? Who are they going to put on the O-line that are worse than the guys out there now? I suppose they could get Harry back and put him in at WR to make their WR group worse.

Zappe ain't the answer. Neither is that guy they picked up off the scrap heap that was on the Cowboys for a minute.

 

[StanleyGrogan]

I feel bad for Bill. Has he lost it? Sure looks like it some of the time. I ask myself why he is still coaching. If it isn't for the love of it then it isn't the right reason.

 

[Rob0729]

Sure, he played ok in other games this year. But he plays too tentative, is slow to make decisions, and has a hard time with adversity.

Maybe a weak armed jay cutler?

That isn’t true either. I didn’t look at the third week, but the first two weeks he was in the top 5 for fastest time to throw. The way the line was playing in those games, if he was slow to make decisions he would have been sacked like 20 times.