Speculation about why Belichick is still coaching

[FCB02062]

Sunday night is pretty close to must win for Bill the Coachs team this season....you blow this one, you're 0-2, 0-2 at home, 2 games behind the division leader, and you're looking at a 1-3 start for the third season in a row. And the team falls to 25-28 since the 6 time super bowl winning signal caller was jettisoned

 

[sb1]

Sunday night is pretty close to must win for Bill the Coachs team this season....you blow this one, you're 0-2, 0-2 at home, 2 games behind the division leader, and you're looking at a 1-3 start for the third season in a row. And the team falls to 25-28 since the 6 time super bowl winning signal caller was jettisoned

There aren't any must-wins in week 2.

 

[n1997y]

Just tells you more about coaches who stank despite having the most important position filled by HoFers.

Funny how when we’re talking BB and TB it’s all about the QB not the coach,
but when it’s about how four great QBs played at total of 72 seasons with 4 Super Bowls to show for all those years it becomes all about the coaching.
WTF?

 

[n1997y]

Clown

Why did BB wait 6 rounds to draft Brady?

Didn’t need to take him earlier did he?
dumbass.

 

[Brotherblues]

Funny how when we’re talking BB and TB it’s all about the QB not the coach,
but when it’s about how four great QBs played at total of 72 seasons with 4 Super Bowls to show for all those years it becomes all about the coaching.
WTF?

Yep.

Payton throws away Brees' entire career but people wanted him to replace BB. Amazing.

 

[Triumph]

Didn’t need to take him earlier did he?
dumbass.

Numbnuts

He had no clue that Brady was the GOAT.

 

[slash83]

Maybe he just still loves the game of football

 

[Patsgofor4]

Potentially, but the more aggressively he builds the team, the more "boom or bust" potential there is. I think he's been building a "safe" roster that will guarantee a floor of 8 wins rather than risk a low floor high ceiling roster.

Your first post in this thread already sucked. We didn’t need another dose of suckage 9 minutes later. Pace yourself.

 

[BelizePats]

So you think Bill believes this a championship roster?

Major clown show posting

 

[Water Boy]

Potentially, but the more aggressively he builds the team, the more "boom or bust" potential there is. I think he's been building a "safe" roster that will guarantee a floor of 8 wins rather than risk a low floor high ceiling roster.

4D Chess. What a genius.

 

[Triumph]

Sunday night is pretty close to must win for Bill the Coachs team this season....you blow this one, you're 0-2, 0-2 at home, 2 games behind the division leader, and you're looking at a 1-3 start for the third season in a row. And the team falls to 25-28 since the 6 time super bowl winning signal caller was jettisoned

Jets are a guaranteed win now.

Dallas I dont feel good about.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

************.

 

[50-yard-line]

Go get him Bill!!!!

Bill's a historian of the game. Of course he wants the record - why shouldn't he? Which means he's chasing a "win" record, which is, weirdly, supposed to be GOOD for the team.

Seriously, the pretzel logic here is amazing.

And here's a few things:
1. BB sucks at drafting QBs...this is his 24th season. He came in with a number 1 QB on a huge contract....he was smart enough to ignore that and go with the player who filled in and showed him something. In other words, he didn't need to draft a QB for more than a decade - and in that time, still drafted a bunch of QB backups who went on to have good QB backup careers. When he did decide to draft a potential starter, Brady wasn't happy at all - that guy also turned out to be glass, but he's still starting in the NFL at a high salary.

Here's another point on this: you can count the really good NFL QBs drafted out of the top-10 on one hand. When's the last time the Patriots had a top-10 pick? And in that pick, with Brady, why would they have taken a QB?

2. Name another coach...go for it...who would have done more since the fall-off of 2019 (which I still blame on that idiot AB). The Patriots entered 2020 without money, with aging veterans on the wrong side of their careers, and having been poached repeatedly after playing into February year after year. They were without talent and without money.

And they still were in the hunt for most of the year in 2020 until reality caught up to them...and Cam.

The 2021 team was a much better product than 2020. They added a lot of pieces - some worked out, some didn't, welcome to free agency - and made the playoffs with a rookie QB, which is pretty much unheard of. For any other coach, that would be a big feather in his cap. For BB, it is treated like a disaster.

2022 was a mess, yes, but the talent on the team was there.

This 2023 team is younger, faster, bigger, and better. You put the 2023 Patriots on the field against the 2020 Patriots and they beat them soundly. They beat the 2021 team easily, and laugh at the 2022 mess.

In four years, starting at less than zero, this team can hang with anybody, and are filled with young players who look like they're going to the top of the pile. And still, they had no top-10 picks, which can be turned into multiple high picks.

If BB was JUST in it for the record, the Patriots would not have tons of cap the next two years - they would have high-priced FAs designed to guarantee (short of injury) them a couple of 11-13-win seasons, and BB could walk off into the sunset with his record and leave the team in Tampa Bay/LA hell for the next five years. As it stands now, if BB bows out in a couple of years, the guy replacing him will have all the tools to continue to improve the team.

And I hate to break it to you, but in the modern era and hard salary cap era, there's no such thing as a guaranteed SB team. Everything has to go right, including a ton of things out of your control. Closest thing I've seen to a guaranteed SB run were the angry Patriots of 2008. How'd that work out?

 

[FCB02062]

Jets are a guaranteed win now.

Dallas I dont feel good about.

until this offense shows they can score more than 20-23 a game consistently, there's no guaranteed wins

 

[Triumph]

until this offense shows they can score more than 20-23 a game consistently, there's no guaranteed wins

Zach Wilson is awful and will implode vs this Pats defense.

 

[Steve102]

This eff'n thread.

 

[amfootball]

Jets are a guaranteed win now.

Dallas I dont feel good about.

If Wilson is the QB it is guaranteed. Any other QB, it's a toss up.

I don't feel great about Dallas either. They look heck of a lot better than the Eagles.

 

[signbabybrady]

I know you’re going to hate to hear this, but I’d be on board with the team cutting bait if they don’t win a playoff game this year. The only exception I’d make to that is if the team suffers a key injury (I.E., Mac). Then I’d give him one more year. If not, I’m good with it if that’s the direction the Krafts want to go. Most coaches get 2-3. Some get 1. He gets 5-6 years. Seems fair.

You know I'm as much a homer as anyone but if we don't make the playoffs I think Kraft has to consider it. But before he does the play of Mac must be considered. If Mac shows a good amount of improvement but we still miss the playoffs then I think Bill definitely should get at least one more. Vice versa if Mac sux enough that we know he's not the guy if I were Kraft I would very much consider giving Bill one more season so long as he agrees to bringing in the best veteran QB he can.

Bill certainly has his share of blame for it but it would suck if Bill never gets a chance with another great QB. The shell of Cam and a failed drafted kid (assumption) it's hard to expect much winning.

Basically there is little doubt in my mind with a good QB we wouldn't be in this mess. So I say give Bill this season to fix Mac and if he can't id probably give him one more with a Vet.

 

[amfootball]

You know I'm as much a homer as anyone but if we don't make the playoffs I think Kraft has to consider it. But before he does the play of Mac must be considered. If Mac shows a good amount of improvement but we still miss the playoffs then I think Bill definitely should get at least one more. Vice versa if Mac sux enough that we know he's not the guy if I were Kraft I would very much consider giving Bill one more season so long as he agrees to bringing in the best veteran QB he can.

Bill certainly has his share of blame for it but it would suck if Bill never gets a chance with another great QB. The shell of Cam and a failed drafted kid (assumption) it's hard to expect much winning.

Basically there is little doubt in my mind with a good QB we wouldn't be in this mess. So I say give Bill this season to fix Mac and if he can't id probably give him one more with a Vet.

I understand your sentiments here but you are giving Bill the coach a pass because of Bill the GM. Newton just didn't happen. Bill left the QB room bare when Brady left and had to scrap Newton off the heap in late June. If you remember prior to signing Newton, everyone thought Bill was sold on Stidham because he did not draft a QB that season after Brady left. Obviously he was not sold on Stidham to even come in relief of a decrepit Cam mid season.

Mac showed a lot of promise his rookie year but then Bill did the inexplicable and gave him Patricia as his OC setting his development back to where this has become a make it or break year for Mac.

From a team building and management stand point, I wish Kraft moved off of Bill a long time ago ...

 

[1960Pats]

Maybe Bill also knew a 5 win season would "help" too, hence Matt Patricia, Offensive Co-ordinator. At least that would make that whole thing last season make some sense....

Boy is that a reach. Bill picked up Patricia and Judge because he didn't have to pay them a penny and Judge is still here for the same reason.