PostGame Thread Week 1 OFFICIAL Post-Game Thread: Patriots lose close to the Eagles

[DaBruinz]

Yes, Jobe did push Boutte, but Boutte didn't even try to drag the foot. So it is on Boutte.

Not sure what you're watching, but the left foot was coming down and would have been IN BOUNDS without the shove by Jobe.

 

[TheRainMaker]

NFL allowing T’s to line up 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. The Eagles C was the only player at the line.

 

[DaBruinz]

The push argument applies when the ball is over the receivers head or the reciever has to "go up" to get the ball. Boutte caught the ball at his shoulders but was in the air like he was jumping. Lousy technique. Boutte should have had his feet down and hands out so he was not off the ground. It is physics. Watching it again without understanding what you are looking at is pointless.

HUH???? Not on the 2nd catch he wasn't. Rob posted the replay. Not even close. Sorry,. but you're incorrect. Boutte wasn't "in the air like he was jumping". He actually had the toes of his right foot down and was in the process of getting his left foot toes down when Jobe shoved him. Otherwise, his left foot toes are in bounds. It was a damn good play by Jobe.

The mental gymnastics that some posters are doing to say that Boutte f'ed up and to take away a good play by a defender is mind-boggling. Have someone push you in mid-stride and tell me your foot comes down exactly where you going to put it.

 

[Nunchucks]

Not sure what you're watching, but the left foot was coming down and would have been IN BOUNDS without the shove by Jobe.

He should have already been dragging both feet prior to the shove. His technique is bad

 

[DaBruinz]

My qualm with the final series was that they stopped doing what had been working. They stopped having the RB and TE stay in to chip and then go out to get open. The Eagles had no answer for it. The Eagles were dropping so many back that it allowed Gesicki to pick up a nice amount. Same with Stevenson. Had the Pats continued to do it, they wouldn't have had to rely on Boutte on the Sidelines.

 

[Kasmir]

Big assumption by you that they get that 4th and 12. It's amazing how people think that everything plays out the exact same when you change one thing. That's not how life works.

Once you change that one thing, everything after that changes.

Exactly.

I call this phenomenon "Sportswriter Causality", as in baseball when a runner on 1st gets picked off and the batter then hits a homerun the idiot announcer says "that pickoff cost us a run!"

 

[Bill Lee]

We do have to be happy about Gonzo, White, Boutte, Douglas, Mafi, Sow (6 rookies played significant time, and made an impact).
That's exciting.

Also, Gesicki is a big upgrade over Jonnu Smith. It's nice to have two quality TEs.

I know everyone loves to jump to conclusions after one game, but give this team some time. We typically start slow, the joke was that our first four games were our pre-season. BoB has only been here a few months.

With so many young players, there's a lot of room for improvement. Philly was the 2nd best team in the league last season. The line before the game was 4 points, we lost by 5.

We were in the game the entire way, with a chance to win with less than a minute to go. On the same day the Bengals have so many "pieces" we all would love to have but lost by 21 to Cleveland, and the very popular Giants team got blown out by the Cowboys 40-0.

 

[Kasmir]

No way.

You're thinking that because Miami lit up a team that is defensively inferior to both the Pats and the Eagles.

I also love the "Tua looks great" from someone who thinks Mac will never make it because of his weak arm.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

HUH???? Not on the 2nd catch he wasn't. Rob posted the replay. Not even close. Sorry,. but you're incorrect. Boutte wasn't "in the air like he was jumping". He actually had the toes of his right foot down and was in the process of getting his left foot toes down when Jobe shoved him. Otherwise, his left foot toes are in bounds. It was a damn good play by Jobe.

The mental gymnastics that some posters are doing to say that Boutte f'ed up and to take away a good play by a defender is mind-boggling. Have someone push you in mid-stride and tell me your foot comes down exactly where you going to put it.

Dude, Boutte caught the ball at shoulder level. He could have straightened his body up and had both feet down. I said " like he was jumping". It is all how Boutte positioned his body. Since the ball was at his shoulder level Boutte could have caught the ball differently. Lots of NFL receivers catch a ball with their hands to keep both feet on the ground as long as the ball is not too high. The ball was not too high, it was at his shoulder level. Boutte was at his locker very upset because he knows he blew it. Watching the replay only makes sense if you consider other normal body positions NFL receivers use and Boutte could have used. Boutte could have had both feet down, hands out stretched, and fallen out of bounds. When the ball is not over the receiver's head, there is no excuse for not getting both feet down.

 

[1960Pats]

We lost and a loss next week pretty much would decide the season.

So ya. No moral victories.

If they lose next week they'll be 0-2. Has any team ever come back from such a large deficit?

 

[Bill Lee]

I like Bourne but he's got to catch that 3rd and 12. That catch is what separates good players from elite players. We need to make those.

As for Boutte, that needs to become a regulation catch/toe-tap otherwise we move on.

N'Keal Harry is still out there on MIN's practice squad, ready to be plucked. Just sayin'...

 

[Bill Lee]

Not sure what you're watching, but the left foot was coming down and would have been IN BOUNDS without the shove by Jobe.

Not to mention the call on the field was "catch" so the "not even trying" comment is nonsense.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If they lose next week they'll be 0-2. Has any team ever come back from such a large deficit?

Sarcasm?

 

[Bill Lee]

We lost and a loss next week pretty much would decide the season.

So ya. No moral victories.

You're making a strawman argument, no one on the team is calling it a moral victory.

Bill Belichick 9/10: "We didn't do enough to win"

www.patriots.com

 

[Bruins29]

If they lose next week they'll be 0-2. Has any team ever come back from such a large deficit?

Yeah a team you supposedly root for has started 0-2 and actually won the whole thing.

 

[1960Pats]

for those keeping score, Bill the coach is now 25-27 post the guy Kraft honored at half time

Thank God **** Rehbein saw something that nobody else saw in the guy Kraft honored at halftime.

 

[Grogan14]

He should have already been dragging both feet prior to the shove. His technique is bad

Seems that this should have been taught and learned in the basics of NFL receiving course. Hopefully Troy Brown will hammer it home. I have to believe a veteran receiver like Parker or maybe even Thornton would have toe tapped.
It's a sign to me that he is too raw and not ready for NFL yet. I think time on PS would be justified.

 

[Grogan14]

NFL allowing T’s to line up 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. The Eagles C was the only player at the line.

Yes it's egregious. The Chiefs got away with it the whole game. It's on the coaches to point this out. Its an incredibly unfair advantage for OT

 

[1960Pats]

Yeah a team you supposedly root for has started 0-2 and actually won the whole thing.

No ****. That was the point I was making that went above the point at the top of your head.
And I've rooted for this team longer than you've been alive and hiding behind your computer insulting Pats fans.
I bet you were one of the original 8 that went crying to a mod to get the Brady talk out of here. You're definitely the crybaby type.

 

[PWRxWLF]

So, Hill and Waddle are great route runners but Smith and Brown aren't?

How'd Gonzalez do in College against speedsters?

I think that Gonzalez will do better than you expect provided he focuses on doing his job.

I do not believe that Smith or Brown run routes at the speed that Waddle or Hill do, even more so in the rain.

Those 2 receivers are going to present completely different challenges from what the Eagles did. Never said the Pats won’t be able to find a way to minimize the damage but it is going to be a challenge to game plan and execute against.