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(Edited Title:) Writer thinks Zappe is winning the QB "battle"?

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Air distance travelled is maybe 5% arm strength, it’s far more about the angle of release and how much air you put under it. Any NFL caliber QB, even the back ups and 3rd stringers, can throw it 50 yards. The question is does it look like a pass or a punt? Sure Josh Allen can probably throw it 70 yards versus Macs 60 but at that point you are talking at most 5 passes a year so who cares?

There is one route where arm strength matters and it isn’t the 50 yard bomb. It’s the 18 yard out. With proper timing it is indefensible, an automatic completion and first down. The problem is if the DB can break on it cuz it takes an extra .5 of a second to get there it’s a pick 6. High risk, high reward and Mac doesn’t have the arm to consistently make that throw. To your point a lot of the greatest QB ever didn’t and still won a lot of games. What Mac does have is impressive anticipation and touch so he needs routes where he can drop it in and let his receivers run, crossers, rub routes, and wheel should be his bread and butter. Even Brady, who grew to have an absolute gun for over the middle throws, had trouble with that out throw. Especially later in his career here, in fact his last pass as a patriot is exactly the route I’m talking and was exhibit one in my mind of why I was ok with the patriots moving on from him.
Mac can throw 70 yards in the air, I linked a video of him doing it. Not sure how this noodle are stuff started, probably from the Zappites but it's not true. Remember TB had a weak arm coming out of college, his rookie year the Pats had him work on his arm strength. Also remember he was called a pansie early in his career, another rumor started by haters that was obviously not true. TB was one of the toughest players in the league.
 
Mac can get zip on the ball, but he doesn't look effortless doing it like the top guys. Does that mean he can't play, or that he can't increase arm strength? Again, Brady grew in that area. It's not just about muscle mass, it's about the nuance of technique and training the arm properly.
But you don't need to be Allen or Herbert to win in the NFL.
That said, I don't know why people are so smitten with Zappe. Actually I do - it's absolutely merely because he is the underdog backup. And the NFL (especially NE fans) are conditioned to think the backup is just a star waiting for a chance to play. Not this time guys!
 
Mac can throw 70 yards in the air, I linked a video of him doing it. Not sure how this noodle are stuff started, probably from the Zappites but it's not true. Remember TB had a weak arm coming out of college, his rookie year the Pats had him work on his arm strength. Also remember he was called a pansie early in his career, another rumor started by haters that was obviously not true. TB was one of the toughest players in the league.
Until 2004 the consensus slander of Brady was that he was just a system QB. No one was saying he would become the GOAT.
 
Mac can get zip on the ball, but he doesn't look effortless doing it like the top guys. Does that mean he can't play, or that he can't increase arm strength? Again, Brady grew in that area. It's not just about muscle mass, it's about the nuance of technique and training the arm properly.
But you don't need to be Allen or Herbert to win in the NFL.
That said, I don't know why people are so smitten with Zappe. Actually I do - it's absolutely merely because he is the underdog backup. And the NFL (especially NE fans) are conditioned to think the backup is just a star waiting for a chance to play. Not this time guys!
QB controversies are almost as old as football itself.
 
Until 2004 the consensus slander of Brady was that he was just a system QB. No one was saying he would become the GOAT.

You turned on ESPN in September or October of 2002 and the narrative was the Patriots traded the wrong guy. People forget that Bledsoe initially played really well in Buffalo and then quickly trailed off. And despite leading the league in TDs that year (it was a down year for passing TDs), Brady was wildly inconsistent.
 
QB controversies are almost as old as football itself.
Since I can remember being a fan of this team, the backup QB is the best if they would just give him a chance. Remember Michael Bishop? And there's more, just don't feel like typing a list.
 
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You turned on ESPN in September or October of 2002 and the narrative was the Patriots traded the wrong guy. People forget that Bledsoe initially played really well in Buffalo and then quickly trailed off. And despite leading the league in TDs that year (it was a down year for passing TDs), Brady was wildly inconsistent.
To be clear: Brady was never just a system QB, but that was his rep until 2004 or so.
 
Mac can get zip on the ball, but he doesn't look effortless doing it like the top guys. Does that mean he can't play, or that he can't increase arm strength? Again, Brady grew in that area. It's not just about muscle mass, it's about the nuance of technique and training the arm properly.
But you don't need to be Allen or Herbert to win in the NFL.
That said, I don't know why people are so smitten with Zappe. Actually I do - it's absolutely merely because he is the underdog backup. And the NFL (especially NE fans) are conditioned to think the backup is just a star waiting for a chance to play. Not this time guys!
Exactly. Same reason why there was pom pom waving for Stidham. I'd say a lot of fanbases want to think the guy on the bench is a superstar in waiting. Cowboys fans were in love with Rush and were ready to send Dak packing until the Eagles exposed Rush for what he is.

I actually think people also genuinely like Zappe better than Mac as a football player. It's hard to defend Mac's hysterics last year with the injuries and coaching staff. Zappe was cool. But that doesn't mean he's good.

Finding a franchise QB is really hard.
 
To be clear: Brady was never just a system QB, but that was his rep until 2004 or so.

I never said he was. I said it was the narrative in 2002. And Brady was inconsistent in 2002. He played lights out in some games and awful in others, but he was a second year starter.
 
You turned on ESPN in September or October of 2002 and the narrative was the Patriots traded the wrong guy. People forget that Bledsoe initially played really well in Buffalo and then quickly trailed off. And despite leading the league in TDs that year (it was a down year for passing TDs), Brady was wildly inconsistent.
I actually think Brady played well in 2002. I'd even say it was better than he played in 2001.

But yeah that was the narrative especially leading up to and after 31-0. The commentary for that game was very pro Bills and all Belichick bashing and Brady being a one year wonder.
 
I stated that Zappe played "quite well " which is a fact.

No INTs after watching the all star throw 3 vs Baltimore.

The proof will be vs players on opposing teams.
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Zappe wasn't asked to do much and for what he was asked to do, not much, he did well. Mac could have done what Zappe did vs. the Packers. Any starting QB could. That isn't a knock on Zappe. It is just a fact that they managed him to death in that game.
Mac is thre starting QB for this organization.. everyone knows it. We have a good backup in Zappe.. most teams would love to have such a " dilemma " all Zappe is , is insurance in case Mac gets hurt and has to miss time. His value is only high here in this offense.

To be fair to both QBs they have been going up against a our stout, elite defense. That now has the presence of gonzo..Nothing is going to be easy for them both..
 
I remember when JG was the fans binky and there was talk about trading the GOAT and keeping Jimmy because he played good against a weak Cardinals defense and had 2 good quarters against Miami before getting injured. Good times.
 
Zappe wasn't asked to do much and for what he was asked to do, not much, he did well.
Evidently Patricia forgot to ask him to throw an INT.
Mac could have done what Zappe did vs. the Packers.
Oh yeah, well your boy gets to go head to head vs Rodgers game # 2.
Any starting QB could. That isn't a knock on Zappe. It is just a fact that they managed him to death in that game.
Unlike you I wont cast blame on other people because the Pats lost.

Zappe earned a seat at the table. Maybe he can play better and maybe he can play worse. Its all up to him when the chance comes.
 
Either his arm is weak or it’s not.

His draft profile said “weak arm,” and draft “experts” are never wrong. Same with Montana…
Montana?......really
 
I was excited about Mac, and really excited after his rookie year. Last year he looked like complete ass, I mean he regressed. I hope he fixes everything and plays amazingly well going forward.

Zappe came in as a mid level draft pick with amazing college stats but little to no expectations. He did not get the benefit of being thought of as the next qb, he didn't get 1st team reps in preseason. When Mac got hurt Hoyer got the starter reps in practice. When Hoyer got hurt Zappe went into the game and did pretty well. The next two weeks he had amazing games. The final week, the Chicago game that everyone says shows how bad he really is, he came in, in the second quarter to replace Mac Jones who was booed out of Gilette he played so poorly. Mac was 3/6 that game for 13 yards and an interception. Zappe went the last 3 quarters and was 14/22 185 yards a td and 2 interceptions. Zappe's ratings for his 4 games were 107-100-118-64 Mac's ratings were 87-80-62-16-80-90-105-120-85-75-52-105-99-75. In 4 games Zappe was over 100 3 times, in 14 games Mac was over 100 3 times.

We have posters here who look at the qb's percentages in pre season practices as a way to judge them. Last year, by the numbers, Zappe was a better qb. That is why some people think it actually is a competition. Add to that, that Bill himself said it was a competion, and the people crowning Mac king sure better hope he doesn't come out like he did last year. I hope they both are amazing, and the decision is really really tough to decide which one is the best player.
 
LOL: Sara Marshall == a different MusketFire writer -- just completely contradicted Gregoire:

"Loudly" ????

Seems the Headline writer didn't actually read her article.
Her only definitive statement supporting this headline is that Mac gets more snaps than Zappe.
 
The guy who wrote this article suggested a few weeks ago that they should trade Mac to the Lions for Hendon Hooker, straight up.
 
You turned on ESPN in September or October of 2002 and the narrative was the Patriots traded the wrong guy. People forget that Bledsoe initially played really well in Buffalo and then quickly trailed off. And despite leading the league in TDs that year (it was a down year for passing TDs), Brady was wildly inconsistent.
I actually think Brady played well in 2002. I'd even say it was better than he played in 2001.

But yeah that was the narrative especially leading up to and after 31-0. The commentary for that game was very pro Bills and all Belichick bashing and Brady being a one year wonder.
Brady and the Pats started out 3-0 where analysts were hyping up the Pats as the best team in the NFL at that time. Then the 4 game skid happened. Even though they barely escaped the Chiefs, **** Vermeil found the leak in the Pats D relentlessly running with Priest Holmes. Marty Schottenheimer did the same thing with LT and infamously said the way to beat Brady was to get him "off of his spot". Opposing teams kept running the same running plays that season.

Tom was clearly better in year 2, but there were games he didn't show up like against GB, Denver, at Miami, at TENN Oakland and the biggest game against the Jets at home on national TV.

Bledsoe initially did play well, but it was a small minority that questioned whether they traded the wrong guy. But then you had the season opener in 2003 and it came up again. That question was answered fairly quickly that season.
 
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