The optimistic case for Mac Jones

[PatsFan2]

That makes the fact that they were so easily to defend Zappe in the second half is so damning. They were not a good defense and they tipped four of Zappe's balls at the line and got two INTs from him.

Rob I hope for your sake Bob fixes Mac but I am not holding my breath on that. I saw some things from Mac that looks unfixable.

 

[crawhammer]

You'll be beating dead horse with them I tell ya.

Sure but championing a loss with multiple picks and no TDs is kind of F'd up.

 

[PatsFan2]

Sure but championing a loss with multiple picks and no TDs is kind of F'd up.

You ain't telling me Bro I am sure BB is kicking himself for not Drafting Lamar Jackson who's still on the Team that Drafted him compared to the Two stiffs we Drafted the same year. And I can't wait for the Sony fans to tell me how great he was yeah he's got a couple of rings and is still hanging on in this league by a thread.

 

[Triumph]

You respond to someone questioning Zappes arm strength by moaning about Macs interceptions? Its like playground sometimes on here.

The same bunch of people like you telling me that Corky has a good arm are also telling me that Zappe doesnt have the arm.

0 credibility Ollie.

Jones did complete long throws consistently. In fact, it was probably his strength this year. I found this where he was 10th in the league in deep ball accuracy and 8th in deep ball catchability rate in 2022. And that was even with the miserable start of the season where he and his receivers were completely on the wrong page. Jones was above average with deep ball passing which is incredible considering the cluster **** the offense was. And I bet if you did these stats from Thanksgiving on, Jones would be much higher.

ADVANCED ACCURACY

RED ZONE ACCURACY RATING	DEEP BALL ACCURACY RATING	UNDER PRESSURE ACCURACY RATING	CLEAN POCKET ACCURACY RATING	DEEP BALL CATCHABLE PASS RATE	PRESSURED CATCHABLE PASS RATE	CATCHABLE PASS RATE
6.8	6.1	5.6	7.6	64.7%	63.4%	80.1%
#16	#10	#23	#22	#8	#11	#11

Mac Jones Stats & Fantasy Ranking - PlayerProfiler

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The ironic thing about the stats are that Jones' product is almost flipped. A lot of the stuff he did well in 2021, he was below average or sucked in 2022 and visa versa.

Again, if Jones could combine what he did really well in 2021 with what he did really well in 2022, he will be a top 10 QB in this league.

The Bills win @ Buffalo was a fraud.

The 2021 Pro Bowl was a fraud as well as Jones TD dance.

 

[sb1]

The same bunch of people like you telling me that Corky has a good arm are also telling me that Zappe doesnt have the arm.

0 credibility Ollie.

The Bills win @ Buffalo was a fraud.

The 2021 Pro Bowl was a fraud as well as Jones TD dance.

Zappe doesn't have an NFL arm. Quite frankly he's not very good. If Mac isn't the answer the Patriots can and will do a lot better than Zappe as their franchise QB.

 

[Rob0729]

Rob I hope for your sake Bob fixes Mac but I am not holding my breath on that. I saw some things from Mac that looks unfixable.

And I saw a lot of things that COULD make him a top QB in the league if he puts it all together. Not Mahomes top. But there are a lot of things he does that are similar to Burrow. He probably will never be in the same stratosphere as Burrow (granted would Burrow be nearly as good without his receivers?), but he could become a Burrow Lite.

 

[Rob0729]

The same bunch of people like you telling me that Corky has a good arm are also telling me that Zappe doesnt have the arm.

0 credibility Ollie.

The Bills win @ Buffalo was a fraud.

The 2021 Pro Bowl was a fraud as well as Jones TD dance.

Not sure what you are saying to me talking about 2021 Jones when my post was about 2022 Jones.

 

[Tunescribe]

Ravens had the 26th ranked pass defense. That's not a high quality opponent. I keep hearing Lamar Jackson can't throw a football but he had 4 TD passes and only 1 INT in this game. He also ran for 107 yards on only 11 carries and added a rushing TD. Mac throws 3 picks with a 62.2 passer rating and he was "extremely good" and had his "best game of the season." WTF?!

That game was early in the season. Saying the Ravens' pass defense at that juncture was poor is misleading, especially since they finished third in the league overall defensively. Additionally, Mac was 22-for-32 in mostly obvious passing situations and IIRC, two of his three interceptions involved receiver miscues.

Hurts - Purdy and Zappe are the same height and weight. One bad game by the entire Team is now an indictment on Zappe's career trajectory. Can't wait until the First Ballot HOFer Mac punches his ticket to Canton.

Zappe is not actually 6-foot-1, don't kid yourself. And I can't wait 'til you become a genuine Patriots fan rooting for WHOEVER plays quarterback to do well.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Ravens had the 26th ranked pass defense. That's not a high quality opponent. I keep hearing Lamar Jackson can't throw a football but he had 4 TD passes and only 1 INT in this game. He also ran for 107 yards on only 11 carries and added a rushing TD. Mac throws 3 picks with a 62.2 passer rating and he was "extremely good" and had his "best game of the season." WTF?!

None of the 3 picks were on him. The first one was when Parker didn't know the play and didn't run to the corner of the EZ where Mac threw it. The 2nd one was a play action that everyone said was a bad call cause MP hadn't set it up properly with runs off the same looks, so the LB's didn't bite. The 3rd one was the last meaningless play of the game when they were down 11 and he heaved a hail mary as he was getting hurt by Campbell. Go watch the game again, he threw for 320+ yards, 5 big plays to Parker totaling 156 yards, he scrambled better than any game as a Patriot, and he had them on the potential winning drive until Agholor fumbled.

 

[crawhammer]

And I saw a lot of things that COULD make him a top QB in the league if he puts it all together. Not Mahomes top. But there are a lot of things he does that are similar to Burrow. He probably will never be in the same stratosphere as Burrow (granted would Burrow be nearly as good without his receivers?), but he could become a Burrow Lite.

You're touching on it there. The Patriots best chance of improving their passing game is stacking the WR corps. Mac doesn't look capable of elevating averages WRs so it will have to work in the reverse. And with a solid running game so they can work in the play-action effectively. Stevenson fits the bill for a solid (and versatile) RB.

Burrow is more talented than Mac and there's probably a wide gap there but Burrow has a great WR corps which undoubtedly has elevated him to elite status. A similar scenario for Mac could probably make him look above average.

 

[crawhammer]

That game was early in the season. Saying the Ravens' pass defense at that juncture was poor is misleading, especially since they finished third in the league overall defensively. Additionally, Mac was 22-for-32 in mostly obvious passing situations and IIRC, two of his three interceptions involved receiver miscues.

The Bucs had like 6 dropped TD passes this season. **** happens. Bottom line is Mac had 3 INTs and 0 TDs... that's bad. The week prior, Tua had 4 TD passes against the Ravens defense in the 4th quarter! In total Tua had 469 yards and 6 TDs! Again, Mac followed that up with 0 TDs and 3 INTs against the same swiss cheese pass defense. Come on now, let's be realistic. One of those QB's was good and the other one was bad. I think we all can figure out who's who.

 

[crawhammer]

None of the 3 picks were on him. The first one was when Parker didn't know the play and didn't run to the corner of the EZ where Mac threw it. The 2nd one was a play action that everyone said was a bad call cause MP hadn't set it up properly with runs off the same looks, so the LB's didn't bite. The 3rd one was the last meaningless play of the game when they were down 11 and he heaved a hail mary as he was getting hurt by Campbell. Go watch the game again, he threw for 320+ yards, 5 big plays to Parker totaling 156 yards, he scrambled better than any game as a Patriot, and he had them on the potential winning drive until Agholor fumbled.

Please do me a favor. Mac has 26 INTs in 32 games. Can you please break them all down with all of the various reasons why none of them were his fault? TY.

 

[sb1]

Zappe is not actually 6-foot-1, don't kid yourself.

Yeah I would say Zappe is as much 6’1 as a kid with a fake ID is 21. Lol.

Athletes embellish their height all the time especially college athletes going into the NFL combine. Lots of them are “6 foot 1”. That’s Brees registered height and there’s no way.

 

[Real fan 02]

Evans and Godwin were probably the best pair of receivers Brady ever played with, but Brady also recruited Gronkowski, Antonio Brown and Fournette to Tampa. Gronkowski's departure from the Pats after 2018 was a huge loss for the Pats, and Kraft's jettisoning of Antonio Brown finished off the 2019 Pats offense. The 2019 Tampa passing offense was comparable to the 2019 Pats passing offense with Brady (18th by DVOA vs 15th). So adding Brady + Gronk + Antonio Brown + Fournette to Tampa made a decent offense great. If Gronk and Antonio Brown had played in 2019 there would very likely had been another NE Superbowl win given how good the defense and special teams were.

Tampa's success was hardly all about Brady -- other than his recruiting cachet that brought the GOAT TE out of retirement. And the 2019 Tampa defense was almost as good as the 2019 Pats defense (6th vs 1st by DVOA). Hence the Superbowl campaign.

Anyone remember Moss and welker?.. I don't recall TB12 amassing 50 TDs with Godwin and evans..

 

[crawhammer]

The 2021 Pro Bowl was a fraud as well as Jones TD dance.

That's pretty embarrassing. I'm pretty sure too that the whistle blew like 50 yards downfield. Sadly, this may be the pinnacle of his NFL career. (That's a joke... sort of.)

 

[crawhammer]

Anyone remember Moss and welker?.. I don't recall TB12 amassing 50 TDs with Godwin and evans..

Exactly.

This bears repeating:

Moss & Welker (2007)

210 receptions
2668 yards
31 TDs

Evans & Godwin (2020)

135 receptions
1846 yards
20 TDs

 

[Real fan 02]

That's pretty embarrassing. I'm pretty sure too that the whistle blew like 50 yards downfield. Sadly, this may be the pinnacle of his NFL career. (That's a joke... sort of.)

29 and 10... get familiar with those stats..

I'm predicting Mac will have 29 TDs..

 

[Tunescribe]

The Bucs had like 6 dropped TD passes this season. **** happens. Bottom line is Mac had 3 INTs and 0 TDs... that's bad. The week prior, Tua had 4 TD passes against the Ravens defense in the 4th quarter! In total Tua had 469 yards and 6 TDs! Again, Mac followed that up with 0 TDs and 3 INTs against the same swiss cheese pass defense. Come on now, let's be realistic. One of those QB's was good and the other one was bad. I think we all can figure out who's who.

Bringing Tampa and Miami into this, I'm guessing by means of comparison, is a stretch for any relevance to my post. Matchups are different, game situations different, and the deficient scheme/coaching constraints Mac was under -- especially at that point of the season -- were worlds different. That's being realistic.

 

[crawhammer]

Bringing Tampa and Miami into this, I'm guessing by means of comparison, is a stretch for any relevance to my post. Matchups are different, game situations different, and the deficient scheme/coaching constraints Mac was under -- especially at that point of the season -- were worlds different. That's being realistic.

I'll remind you of what you said...

That game was early in the season. Saying the Ravens' pass defense at that juncture was poor is misleading

So it's entirely relevant to point out the week before when Tua had 469 yards and 6 TDs against the Ravens defense. Their pass defense was garbage, especially at that juncture of the season.

 

[Tunescribe]

I'll remind you of what you said...

So it's entirely relevant to point out the week before when Tua had 469 yards and 6 TDs against the Ravens defense. Their pass defense was garbage, especially at that juncture of the season.

You're comparing apples to oranges as well as cherrypicking. All things aren't equal with those teams/game situations and the Patriots, as I pointed out. But the bottom line in all this conflation you're pursuing, of course, is making a case against Mac. Which doesn't interest me, primarily because it's a DOA exercise in pointless negativity.