Breer believes Patriots would consider trading Mac to Raiders

[PowerRunRevival]

I'd guess that keeping Aaron Jones makes it more likely that Green Bay is able to retain Rodgers. I don't think Rodgers or Mac in Vegas are very likely. I expect them to sign a vet like Jimmy G, and draft a QB as the long term answer. Stidham did play well to end the year though so maybe he's the long term answer.

 

[crawhammer]

Hurts did a lot running the ball in the Super Bowl, but I wasn't all that impressed by his passing. I just showed two TDs the Eagles got either made or set up by the receivers making adjustments on bad throws in the Mac Jones training thread. I'll post them here.

I mean Mahomes was throwing to completely uncovered receivers in the Super Bowl. And then he got completely bailed out by the officiating when he couldn't get that final first down.

Hurts was outstanding in the Super Bowl. And that's with getting robbed of a very good opportunity to make his night even much better.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

This throw was underthrown to Smith and Smith was just so open he could slow down and catch it. I have seen people on this board kill Mac Jones for a throw similar to this. If Hurts hit Smith in stride, it would have been a TD.



This pass was way off target and Brown made the adjustment and got it.



Again, both those passes if Jones made them, some of the same people who are amazed by Hurts would be complaining about Jones' noodle arm. Both passes were off target and slow to get down the field.

Completely agree that saying Mac has a noodle arm is off base. Mac's issue is that he doesn't always set his feet when he throws, when he isn't set the ball doesn't have much zip behind it. That's not an arm strength problem, that is a mechanics problem. He needs to improve his footwork in the pocket, both in terms of stepping up to avoid the rush and setting his feet when he throws.

 

[crawhammer]

This throw was underthrown to Smith and Smith was just so open he could slow down and catch it. I have seen people on this board kill Mac Jones for a throw similar to this. If Hurts hit Smith in stride, it would have been a TD.

That wasn't an arm strength issue. He just didn't put enough on the throw. Still, Smith could have done a better job there catching the pass with better balance so he could have basically walked into the end zone. But agreed, the pass wasn't perfect.

This pass was way off target and Brown made the adjustment and got it.

Seriously? This pass is perfect. What did you want Hurts to do? Throw it to the safety Thornhill? Hurts put the pass where only Brown could make a play on the ball (behind McDuffie and away from Thornhill).

 

[crawhammer]

I'd guess that keeping Aaron Jones makes it more likely that Green Bay is able to retain Rodgers. I don't think Rodgers or Mac in Vegas are very likely. I expect them to sign a vet like Jimmy G, and draft a QB as the long term answer. Stidham did play well to end the year though so maybe he's the long term answer.

Josh will be unemployed next January if Garoppolo is his QB for next season.

 

[crawhammer]

Completely agree that saying Mac has a noodle arm is off base. Mac's issue is that he doesn't always set his feet when he throws, when he isn't set the ball doesn't have much zip behind it. That's not an arm strength problem, that is a mechanics problem. He needs to improve his footwork in the pocket, both in terms of stepping up to avoid the rush and setting his feet when he throws.

Mac seems to be at best average at everything. So call me a hater but obviously average won't be good enough.

 

[sb1]

Mac Jones is by far the best QB this franchise has ever had. He's not going anywhere, much to the dismay of his virgin haters.

 

[Rob0729]

That wasn't an arm strength issue. He just didn't put enough on the throw. Still, Smith could have done a better job there catching the pass with better balance so he could have basically walked into the end zone. But agreed, the pass wasn't perfect.


Seriously? This pass is perfect. What did you want Hurts to do? Throw it to the safety Thornhill? Hurts put the pass where only Brown could make a play on the ball (behind McDuffie and away from Thornhill).

That pass wasn't perfect. Here is another view of the play. It clearly wasn't thrown to where it was supposed to go. Brown just was able to throw on an extra burner and get over to the ball. It clearly wasn't a perfect throw. Hurts should have thrown it to the back or middle of the Eagles logo, but threw it just beyond its beak. But it was lucky he did because if the ball was on target, it might have gotten broken up.



That pass to most WRs probably would have been 5 yards off target. Brown made a stellar adjustment to the ball.

 

[crawhammer]

That pass wasn't perfect. Here is another view of the play. It clearly wasn't thrown to where it was supposed to go. Brown just was able to throw on an extra burner and get over to the ball. It clearly wasn't a perfect throw. Hurts should have thrown it to the back or middle of the Eagles logo, but threw it just beyond its beak. But it was lucky he did because if the ball was on target, it might have gotten broken up.

We'll just have to disagree on this one. You said it yourself, the pass gets picked or broken up if Hurts throws it more to the middle of the end zone. I love the pass, from both angles you provided.

 

[Tunescribe]

Josh will be unemployed next January if Garoppolo is his QB for next season.

Garoppolo by the numbers:

53 wins, 21 losses
67.6 completion percentage
87 touchdowns, 42 interceptions
99.6 rating

 

[Bill Lee]

No matter what the Patriots record is...we're always an interesting team to talk about.

No matter what the Patriots record is... there's always many mediots willing to say things s/he knows will trigger fans, and plenty of fans willing to be triggered.

 

[Zuma]

Garoppolo by the numbers:

53 wins, 21 losses
67.6 completion percentage
87 touchdowns, 42 interceptions
99.6 rating

Nothing to sneeze at

 

[Bill Lee]

This coming season Josh has to prove that he can be a winning head coach with the Raiders, or he is out. Unless Josh has a great amount of confidence in Mac, I don't see him putting his future as a head coach on the kid's shoulders.

Interestingly enough, one of Mac's draft day comps was.... Derek Carr.

Josh had a similar player, just let him walk for zero compensation.

Not sure what Josh is gonna do, but am confident it won't be to trade for Mac.

 

[Bill Lee]

I’ve noticed that Breer is right about 20% of the time. He’s usually not plugged in but seems to have maybe one or two sources and does have some info from time to time.

So, four out of five things he says are wrong... Seems to be par for the course...

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Could Vrabel trade for Mac Jones?

 

[Rob0729]

We'll just have to disagree on this one. You said it yourself, the pass gets picked or broken up if Hurts throws it more to the middle of the end zone. I love the pass, from both angles you provided.

And I love the play by Brown to get a ball that was thrown off target.

 

[crawhammer]

Garoppolo by the numbers:

53 wins, 21 losses
67.6 completion percentage
87 touchdowns, 42 interceptions
99.6 rating

Garoppolo by the injuries:

2016: Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain
2018: ACL Tear
2020: High Ankle Sprain (Grade 3)
2020: Reinjured High Ankle Sprain
2021: Left Calf Strain
2021: UCL Tear Right Thumb
2022: Shoulder Strain
2022: Pedal Foot Fracture

 

[crawhammer]

And I love the play by Brown to get a ball that was thrown off target.

Hurts necessarily put the ball in that spot and Brown also made a nice adjustment. Nice play by both.

 

[Rob0729]

Hurts necessarily put the ball in that spot and Brown also made a nice adjustment. Nice play by both.

But there is no way in the world that based on the route Brown was running that it was a spot that Brown could have adjusted to when Hurts threw the ball. Look at the video. Brown was running a vertical route and only after the ball was thrown and halfway down the field did he adjust his route to make a play on the ball. It was an off target throw that Brown made the play. That play is mostly if not all AJ Brown.

This wasn't a case of throwing it to an outside shoulder or just in front of the receiver hitting a receiver in stride. This ball looked five yards off target that Brown was able to make an adjustment and get the ball.

A ball like that could have been just as easily picked as Brown could have got it if the defender didn't trip himself up and fall over. Initially, the defender was a better spot to make a break on the ball.

 

[Bill Lee]

The fact that there were “sides” and that Jones had a “side” to be taken and that the players took his and not the coaches’ (even if the coaches were awful) probably doesn’t sit well with Bill, though. I’m sure he understands why Mac felt how he did, but I’m also sure he would love to have a guy at QB who does what he’s told and doesn’t need to be managed. Not that I think Mac is a diva or anything like that, but you know what I mean.

Geez, that sounds like an awful lot to be asked for. QBs have grown up being "big man on campus" all their high school and college days. That kind of person isn't often a "do what you're told" kind of person. More often than not they're the ones telling others what to do. Someone who does what they're told is more of a follower than a leader and not likely to make it in the QB position.