Breer believes Patriots would consider trading Mac to Raiders

[moosekill]

Regular Season

Career

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
65	92	70.7	781	8.5	5	3	53	100.9
65	92	70.7	781	8.5	5	3	53	100.9

 

[moosekill]

So, just saying a rookie who came off the bench with 70.7% completion, 5 tds and 3 interceptions and a qb rating of 100.9

 

[crawhammer]

Belichick put a guy with virtually no offensive experience in as the offensive coordinator in a critical year for his young QB last year and you are going to say that he will trade a QB who got 10 wins in his rookie season with a real offensive coordinator because he wants to get enough wins to beat Shula. Seriously, you Mac haters have the silliest theories. No offense.

We all agree BB majorly ****ed up the 2022 season for the offense. (Another example of unworthy GOAT status but I won't elaborate here.)

However, I said if BB believes trading Mac and going with another QB makes the team more competitive then he'll pursue it. How is that "silly" or "Mac hating"? I guess you can call BB a Mac hater if he trades him. And you'd probably be close to correct.

If I'm making the decision then I'm trading Mac, and bringing in a veteran starter, or bringing a competent veteran who can backup Zappe. I take the assets received from the Mac trade and improve the team elsewhere. I don't think there's a significant gap between Mac and Zappe, and Zappe may even be better, I don't think we have enough information to reliably predict Zappe's ceiling. And Mac's ceiling won't be high enough for the team to compete with the elite QBs in the conference. BB with Mac is not getting through Mahomes, Allen and Burrow anytime soon (or probably ever).

 

[moosekill]

Brady has never averaged over 70% competion, he first year over 8 yds average a throw in 2007, 18 td's 12 interceptions his second year, didn't break 90 qb rating until 2004 and didn't break 100 rating until 2007.

And he is the GOAT

 

[sb1]

We all agree BB majorly ****ed up the 2022 season for the offense. (Another example of unworthy GOAT status but I won't elaborate here.)

I'm not sure I'd say BB is GOAT either for other reasons. Last season really damaged the whole IBWT thing with me for sure.

 

[sb1]

We're really measuring up the GOAT with Bailey Zappe? Yikes

 

[crawhammer]

As for Adams, he is a WR who is under contract. If the Raiders want to bring in Cam Newton, he will have to deal with it. He doesn’t have to sign off on any QB. This is your most ridiculous theory yet that a team has to get buy in from their WR on who is the QB.

Adams is their best player so I think his opinion carries weight. Adams admittedly went to LVR to play with Carr and McDaniels jettisoned Carr after one season. I'm sure Adams isn't too happy at the moment. McDaniels being on shaky ground now puts more pressure on him to have his best player on board with the plan for 2023. I think you're underestimating the enormous pressure on McDaniels to immediately fix this team. Currently he has no QB. He can't afford to have his WR1 going off the reservation too.

 

[crawhammer]

We're really measuring up the GOAT with Bailey Zappe? Yikes

Brady is not up for comparison with anyone. He's in his own stratosphere. Under no circumstances should any quarterback (past or present) be compared with Brady. It's insulting to Brady and unfair to the other QB.

 

[Rob0729]

We all agree BB majorly ****ed up the 2022 season for the offense. (Another example of unworthy GOAT status but I won't elaborate here.)

However, I said if BB believes trading Mac and going with another QB makes the team more competitive then he'll pursue it. How is that "silly" or "Mac hating"? I guess you can call BB a Mac hater if he trades him. And you'd probably be close to correct.

If I'm making the decision then I'm trading Mac, and bringing in a veteran starter, or bringing a competent veteran who can backup Zappe. I take the assets received from the Mac trade and improve the team elsewhere. I don't think there's a significant gap between Mac and Zappe, and Zappe may even be better, I don't think we have enough information to reliably predict Zappe's ceiling. And Mac's ceiling won't be high enough for the team to compete with the elite QBs in the conference. BB with Mac is not getting through Mahomes, Allen and Burrow anytime soon (or probably ever).

You don't think Jones will compete with the elite QBs in the conference, but you think Zappe might? LOL!

 

[lancerman]

We all agree BB majorly ****ed up the 2022 season for the offense. (Another example of unworthy GOAT status but I won't elaborate here.)

However, I said if BB believes trading Mac and going with another QB makes the team more competitive then he'll pursue it. How is that "silly" or "Mac hating"? I guess you can call BB a Mac hater if he trades him. And you'd probably be close to correct.

If I'm making the decision then I'm trading Mac, and bringing in a veteran starter, or bringing a competent veteran who can backup Zappe. I take the assets received from the Mac trade and improve the team elsewhere. I don't think there's a significant gap between Mac and Zappe, and Zappe may even be better, I don't think we have enough information to reliably predict Zappe's ceiling. And Mac's ceiling won't be high enough for the team to compete with the elite QBs in the conference. BB with Mac is not getting through Mahomes, Allen and Burrow anytime soon (or probably ever).

Zappe does not have the arm to be an NFL QB unless you pair him with the best defense and run game in the league. You start the season with him and you should just consider it a total reset season where they are playing for assets and drafting a QB later.

Potentially you can look at at a vet but you are basically rolling the dice on 2-3 years when frankly I don't think the team is all that good to compete anyways and you will have to invest a lot in them.

The most sensible thing is to build more this year at WR and on the offensive line, maybe look for a good secondary player and make this Mac's prove it or lose it year. If he fails, go all in on just getting a QB next year.

 

[crawhammer]

I'm not sure I'd say BB is GOAT either for other reasons. Last season really damaged the whole IBWT thing with me for sure.

IBWT shouldn't even be a real thing anymore. Unconditional trust in BB should have died a long time ago for everyone. However, there's still a strong argue for BB the GOAT head coach. The argument for BB the GOAT HC/GM is much shakier and not one I agree with. Purely looking at GM, I'm definitely a no there.

 

[Rob0729]

Adams is their best player so I think his opinion carries weight. Adams admittedly went to LVR to play with Carr and McDaniels jettisoned Carr after one season. I'm sure Adams isn't too happy at the moment. McDaniels being on shaky ground now puts more pressure on him to have his best player on board with the plan for 2023. I think you're underestimating the enormous pressure on McDaniels to immediately fix this team. Currently he has no QB. He can't afford to have his WR1 going off the reservation too.

So we are in agreement. If McDaniels cannot get Rodgers or resign Carr (which is the reason why Adams went to Vegas in the first place), the Raiders will be a QB-less team. Those seem to be the only two QBs Adams wants to play with so if they cannot get either one of them, to keep Adams happy they will spend money to build around the empty QB position.

Stop it. If McDaniels is consulting his WR on who to sign as QB, he should be fired. The isn't a WR in the league who should have such input and needed to be placated.

McDaniels is under pressure to fix the team. Getting a QB that Adams wants isn't going to fix the team. McDaniels needs to get the QB who fits his system best and McDaniels, not Adams, thinks will be best to succeed. If the QB gets Adams the ball and the Raiders win, Adams will be fine with whatever QB that is.

If the Pats trade away Jones, does Belichick have to consult his receivers on who he should bring in for the next QB? Belichick is arguably as much on the hot seat as McDaniels is at this point. By your logic, his next selection at QB assuming Jones is trade must be someone the receivers approve of.

 

[DaBruinz]

It is a hot take nothing more. The way Kraft talked about Jones on Fox Business, I cannot see Jones going anywhere. I don’t think Belichick has the authority to make that decision unilaterally after his Patricia/Judge experiment.

I don't eve consider it a "hot take". It's click-bait. No basis in fact. No sources. It's not even worth the 6 pages on this board, honestly.

Breer, like several others who made their bones in the Boston media, hit the national scene and is degraded to the point where he's barely a Ben Volin. Which is saying a lot.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

If Belichick replaces Jones with Garoppolo, he isn't serious about winning

Belichick isn’t serious about winning if he keeps Mac.

All Jimmy does is winning.

 

[50-yard-line]

If Belichick replaces Jones with Garoppolo, he isn't serious about winning. The guy cannot stay on the field. And according to former players like Martellus Bennett and Edelman, Garoppolo is soft and won't play through injuries. I don't know if Kraft and Belichick are in love with Jimmy G as much as the media tries to portray them. Any team that signs Garoppolo needs to sign a starting quality back up QB who can start for 5-6 games because the odds are good that the back up is going to have to start 5-6 games if Garoppolo is the starter.

And I don't know if Jones was McDaniels and Ziegler's pick either. That may be just speculation on Gasper's part.

Couple of things here:
1. I'm only reporting what Gasper - who is connected in the organization - was saying, not endorsing it.

2. I don't love the idea of Jimmy G. Not sure he's better than Mac will be with some actual coaching. And yeah, can he please stay on the field?

3. I'm not a big fan of Mac, either. His cheap shots and attitude need serious adjusting. And I don't like his sideline lobs at all.

4. This scenario comes down to the perceptions of the coaches, not the fans - and those two things aren't the same at all. Gasper says Josh really liked Mac when he was here. BB seemed to, as well. But then, BB crapped on him and Mac behaved in a way unacceptable to BB - can we all agree on that part, at least?

So if Josh/Ziegler find themselves without a starting QB, and with time running out on them, as it likely is, and they think Mac is better than anyone they can bring in through FA, and certainly far readier (and probably as good, at least) as anything they'll get with #7, then why wouldn't they want the trade?

Do you see a rookie coming out this year - at all - who's a can't miss, and who's ready to lead an NFL team? I don't. Josh would know what he's getting - and what he always wants is a QB who will play to his design. Mac did that pretty well. So, yes, they lose pick 7 but gain pick 46, and get the best option at QB for 3 years, cost controlled.

5. From the other side, I don't disagree about the high risks of Jimmy G (and really, this scenario could play out with someone other than Jimmy G, anyway). That's part of the equation. The other parts are that he's surely marketable on the Pats (which Kraft needs), and even more than that, I get the sense that BB isn't exactly thrilled to have Mac around at this point. Bill said a while ago that he only wants to coach players he likes - did Mac burn a bridge to ash?

So, do I want it to happen? I don't like any of the options here with or without it regarding the Pats QB. I honestly don't see many good choices at all here. I don't know that I'd rather have Jimmy or Mac. Before this year, I would have said Mac, hands down, but it was a long and ugly year, and I didn't like what I watched and what I heard (about him calling around to other coaches).

 

[Rob0729]

Belichick isn’t serious about winning if he keeps Mac.

All Jimmy does is winning.

All anyone who starts for the 49ers does is win. The Patriots are not the 49ers.

And BTW, when Brock Purdy was starting, how many games did Jimmy personally win? The guy cannot stay on the field.

 

[BTTA]

Sports reporting in our time

Yeah, it doesn't qualify as "reporting." It is entertainment posting.

 

[crawhammer]

You don't think Jones will compete with the elite QBs in the conference, but you think Zappe might? LOL!

Correct, BB will not win another division title or conference championship with Mac Jones. I'm not sure he'll even win a single playoff game with him. Remember BB only has 2-3 seasons left.

Do I think the ceiling is higher with Zappe? Probably not too much higher but I'm not sure. I won't mind finding out. However, I'd prefer BB trade Mac and go after a big name QB like Jackson or Rodgers (vomit). Carr is floating around, I would possibly consider him too (but I don't love this option).

 

[crawhammer]

BTW @crawhammer, what if Davante Adam’s says to the Raiders that he will only play for Aaron Rodgers and will not play with any other QB and the Packers refuse to trade him? Do the Raiders go without a QB in 2023?

This isn't going to happen. Adams chooses to leave Green Bay then a year later he's demanding to play with Rodgers or else? I don't think so.

 

[Rob0729]

Couple of things here:
1. I'm only reporting what Gasper - who is connected in the organization - was saying, not endorsing it.

2. I don't love the idea of Jimmy G. Not sure he's better than Mac will be with some actual coaching. And yeah, can he please stay on the field?

3. I'm not a big fan of Mac, either. His cheap shots and attitude need serious adjusting. And I don't like his sideline lobs at all.

4. This scenario comes down to the perceptions of the coaches, not the fans - and those two things aren't the same at all. Gasper says Josh really liked Mac when he was here. BB seemed to, as well. But then, BB crapped on him and Mac behaved in a way unacceptable to BB - can we all agree on that part, at least?

So if Josh/Ziegler find themselves without a starting QB, and with time running out on them, as it likely is, and they think Mac is better than anyone they can bring in through FA, and certainly far readier (and probably as good, at least) as anything they'll get with #7, then why wouldn't they want the trade?

Do you see a rookie coming out this year - at all - who's a can't miss, and who's ready to lead an NFL team? I don't. Josh would know what he's getting - and what he always wants is a QB who will play to his design. Mac did that pretty well. So, yes, they lose pick 7 but gain pick 46, and get the best option at QB for 3 years, cost controlled.

5. From the other side, I don't disagree about the high risks of Jimmy G. That's part of the equation. The other parts are that he's surely marketable on the Pats (which Kraft needs), and even more than that, I get the sense that BB isn't exactly thrilled to have Mac around at this point. Bill said a while ago that he only wants to coach players he likes - did Mac burn a bridge to ash?

So, do I want it to happen? I don't like any of the options here with or without it regarding the Pats QB. I honestly don't see many good choices at all here. I don't know that I'd rather have Jimmy or Mac. Before this year, I would have said Mac, hands down, but it was a long and ugly year, and I didn't like what I watched and what I heard (about him calling around to other coaches).

I was responding to the report. Not you.

Based on Kraft's comments on Fox which was a question about Brady and not Mac, I think Kraft does see Mac Jones as the future of this team. Belichick may be pissed that Jones called up Alabama (probably Bill O'Brien) for help, but I don't know if that will be enough for him to want to get rid of him and I don't think he will have buy in from Kraft if it is.

As for Gasper, he like most of the guys on the air, tends to make hot takes based on opinions moreso their inside knowledge of the team. Even though Ziegler had the title of Director of Player Personnel, I don't know if he had the juice. Even then, Wolf and Groh seemed to be getting all the credit for the draft.