Inside the most dysfunctional Pats season under BB

[Scotty]

Just wonder if the team are surrounding us with good news regarding the new coaches and then try and quietly move MP and JJ elsewhere either within the organisation or via the back door.

 

[venecol]

I agree with your take, and I have talked about it here before. I think that :

1) there was a handshake deal
2) Bill never thought that they'd (FM/JJ) screw up as bad as they did, which...
3) forced Bill into more hands on with the offense, which...
4) exposed Bill as not that great offensively and...
5) spread him to thin.

It's not that hard to see it; it's one domino falling leading to another. I also believe that point #2 is a big foul up on Bill's part. Biggest of his career

Colts: Suck for Luck
Dolphins: Tank for Tua
Patriots: Bomb for BOB

 

[Steve102]

Colts: Suck for Luck
Dolphins: Tank for Tua
Patriots: Bomb for BOB

I think Bill thought that FM and JJ were brilliant football minds, how bad could it be?

 

[captain stone]

Given the choice of Myers and Jon Jones OR Payne and Edmunds which two should the Pats pick? I am firmly in the Payne and Edmunds camp. Add a tall corner at #14, and a free safety in Rd 4. WR and OT for the rest of the draft.

I like Payne & Edmunds, what they've done, and what they could do here... But... I still feel that some of our available cap space earmarked for free agents should be spent on an offensive player of some significance... And maybe a Boundary CB too, to help cover our pre-draft bases so we're not desperate for a particular position and end up reaching...

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

They currently have 60 people signed to the roster..

They have 4 critical free agents. Meyers, Jon Jones, DMac, and Slater. The rest are just pieces that contributed here and there.

What's BS is your understanding of the situation and your attempt to hype the negative. The Pats have "swung for the fences" talent wise on a few occasions. Maybe you're too young to remember.. Or too old. But I remember them Signing Harrison and Colvin. I remember them signing Gilmore. Stop pretending like they don't ever spend money because that's ridiculous.

As for how the Eagles put their team together, most of it was done with their drafting and the occasional FA. But they are shooting their load this year. They have a bunch of MAJOR Free agents. More than the Pats.
Eagles FAs - Epps, Bradberry, Cox, Quinn, Seumalo, Edwards, White, Gardner-Johnson, and Sanders.

They are also 1M over the caps (a pittance I know) with 55 players signed and 28M in dead money. The worst part for them is that they only have 2 players whom they can do the Salary to Bonus conversion in Darius Slay and Lane Johnson. That could net them about $21M in free cap space.
Beyond that, they don't even have a lot of room for cutting players.

Firstly, I am sure I am older than you. A beat down Janes Harrison and Colvin is swinging for the fences? How about the past decade?

The Eagles have a dominant team, so what if they are 1 million over the cap? They will be dominant for the next 5 years.

I am critical because I want to see meaningful improvement and not have my head stuck in the sand hoping for a 9-8 season.

Great teams take chances to get top shelf players.
I do not mind your disagreeibg with every comment.
Makes it interesting. You have a lot of football knowledge

 

[Steve102]

Firstly, I am sure I am older than you. A beat down Janes Harrison and Colvin is swinging for the fences? How about the past decade?

The Eagles have a dominant team, so what if they are 1 million over the cap? They will be dominant for the next 5 years.

I am critical because I want to see meaningful improvement and not have my head stuck in the sand hoping for a 9-8 season.

Great teams take chances to get top shelf players.
I do not mind your disagreeibg with every comment.
Makes it interesting. You have a lot of football knowledge

I assume he meant Rodney Harrison, not James. Colvin was a good signing, no one knew he'd wreck his hip early in the season. What was it, week 2?

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

I assume he meant Rodney Harrison, not James. Colvin was a good signing, no one knew he'd wreck his hip early in the season. What was it, week 2?

At the time Rodney did not cost a lot of capital. He was a hone run but not sure I would categorize that as swinging for the fences.

 

[TheRainMaker]

At the time Rodney did not cost a lot of capital. He was a hone run but not sure I would categorize that as swinging for the fences.

Colvin was a big get, but Rodney Harrison was considered washed up before signing with the Pats. Adalius Thomas was a swinging for the fence type move in 2007 as their LB's were atrotious and badly exposed in the 2006 AFCCG with Manning throwing to every TE on the roster.

I do get a kick out of people on here that don't like it when organizations do whatever they can to win now.

 

[DaBruinz]

Firstly, I am sure I am older than you. A beat down Janes Harrison and Colvin is swinging for the fences? How about the past decade?

Firstly, your posts say you aren't older than me.
Secondly, you clear have no idea what you're talking about

2003. Patriots signed RODNEY Harrison and Roosevelt Colvin.
2007: Patriots got Randy Moss and Wes Welker (just to name a few).
2017: Signing Gilmore
2021: Patriots went out and signed Henry, Smith, Agholor. They dropped over $150M on free agents!

The Eagles have a dominant team, so what if they are 1 million over the cap? They will be dominant for the next 5 years.

Dude - I listed out all the Free Agents that the Eagles have and how little money they can free up. Did you even bother to look at the list before you responded?

Starters for them that are Free Agent:
Epps - Starting Safety
Cox - Starting DL
Hargrave - Starting DL
Seumalo - Starting LG
TJ Edwards - Starting LB
Kyzir White - 2 Down LB
Gardner-Johnson - Starting Safety
Bradberry - Starting CB
Miles Sanders - Starting RB

Philadelphia Eagles 2023 NFL Free Agents and Free Agency

Listing all of the 2023 NFL free agents and free agent contracts of the Philadelphia Eagles. Sort free agents by team or position

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6 of their Defensive Starters are Free agents and the Eagles don't have jack s**t in terms of money or ability to create cap space. They aren't going to be dominant for the next 5 years. They're shooting their load this year and will have to re-tool because they don't have the money to keep all those guys. If they're able to keep more than 1, it will be a miracle.

I am critical because I want to see meaningful improvement and not have my head stuck in the sand hoping for a 9-8 season.

Great teams take chances to get top shelf players.
I do not mind your disagreeibg with every comment.
Makes it interesting. You have a lot of football knowledge

Maybe the problem is that your idea of "meaningful improvement" is actually Pie-in-the-Sky wishful thinking. You thinking others have their head stuck in the sand while you ignoring the Eagles free agency situation is tremendously ironic.

 

[venecol]

I bet the Eagles forum’s angry, amateur know-it-all (but always wrong) guy is also better than you.

That and he doesn't shoot blanks or asks for money on their forum because of it. No wonder Dabuns is so angry. Dude needs to chill the **** out. World is a better place w/o his offspring.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

Firstly, your posts say you aren't older than me.
Secondly, you clear have no idea what you're talking about

2003. Patriots signed RODNEY Harrison and Roosevelt Colvin.
2007: Patriots got Randy Moss and Wes Welker (just to name a few).
2017: Signing Gilmore
2021: Patriots went out and signed Henry, Smith, Agholor. They dropped over $150M on free agents!


Dude - I listed out all the Free Agents that the Eagles have and how little money they can free up. Did you even bother to look at the list before you responded?

Starters for them that are Free Agent:
Epps - Starting Safety
Cox - Starting DL
Hargrave - Starting DL
Seumalo - Starting LG
TJ Edwards - Starting LB
Kyzir White - 2 Down LB
Gardner-Johnson - Starting Safety
Bradberry - Starting CB
Miles Sanders - Starting RB

Philadelphia Eagles 2023 NFL Free Agents and Free Agency

Listing all of the 2023 NFL free agents and free agent contracts of the Philadelphia Eagles. Sort free agents by team or position

overthecap.com

6 of their Defensive Starters are Free agents and the Eagles don't have jack s**t in terms of money or ability to create cap space. They aren't going to be dominant for the next 5 years. They're shooting their load this year and will have to re-tool because they don't have the money to keep all those guys. If they're able to keep more than 1, it will be a miracle.



Maybe the problem is that your idea of "meaningful improvement" is actually Pie-in-the-Sky wishful thinking. You thinking others have their head stuck in the sand while you ignoring the Eagles free agency situation is tremendously ironic.

64 years old. Saw pats play in Fenway Park as a kid. Saw Babe Parilli play qb and Gino Capaletti kick and Jim Nance run.

 

[sb1]

I guess BB is a Bradyite lol.

Edit: sorry posted this in the wrong thread

 

[sb1]

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[DaBruinz]

64 years old. Saw pats play in Fenway Park as a kid. Saw Babe Parilli play qb and Gino Capaletti kick and Jim Nance run.

OK. So you fit the too old to remember. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. Does that mean you can't admit when you're wrong?

Let's review your original post. In particular the whopper of a claim that the narrative about the Pats Cap Space and Draft Picks is BS.

A 4th, 6th and a 7th those are not premium picks. The narrative about how much cap space and draft picks the patriots have this year is BS. They also have a ton of free agents that will be leaving, and a league average qb. Talent wise it would be great to see them swing for the fences just once.
Look how the eagles put their team together

You made a bogus claim and it wasn't just me who took you to task for it. Not only that. You tried to deflect with some serious BS in regards to the Philadelphia Eagles and where they stand. Instead of reviewing the information about the Eagles and whether or not they're in a position to be dominant, you doubled down. So I elaborated further on the Eagles situation. Again, instead of reading it, you've chosen to skip back to my original post which had a minor dig asking whether you were too young or too old (you missed that part).

What does it say about you that your first thought when I said Harrison and Colvin (both signed in 2003) was I was referring to a washed up James Harrison who played 1 game for the Pats in 2017 and not Rodney Harrison who had 2 AP years with the Pats and 6 years in total.

I don't care if people have different opinions than me. When facts are given and they can't admit to being wrong about their take is when they aren't worth having a conversation with anymore.

 

[venecol]

Better.

 

[203Pat]

Eagles cornerback Darius Slay respects Matt Patricia as a coach, but not as a man

Darius Slay with no love for Patricia.

 

[Water Boy]

6 of their Defensive Starters are Free agents and the Eagles don't have jack s**t in terms of money or ability to create cap space. They aren't going to be dominant for the next 5 years. They're shooting their load this year and will have to re-tool because they don't have the money to keep all those guys. If they're able to keep more than 1, it will be a miracle.

Not sure how this can be true, because according to Felger the cap is crap.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

I guess BB is a Bradyite lol.

Edit: sorry posted this in the wrong thread

What thread does it actually belong on?

I'm surprised by the lack of discussion about the podcast, given that there are so many on this board who make everything about Brady vs Belichick.

 

[crawhammer]

Don't worry. When Mac Jones retires from the NFL, Bill and Mac will say nice things about one another and all this dysfunction will have never happened.

 

[Steve102]

What thread does it actually belong on?

I'm surprised by the lack of discussion about the podcast, given that there are so many on this board who make everything about Brady vs Belichick.

It's in the the Tom retirement thread.