Mayo negotiations + OC interviews next week

[One-If-By-Sea]

Agree, as it relates to the business aspects (i.e. cap space cash flow, staffing payroll, operational budgets, etc.) Bill would need to present a plan. However, we're talking about the OC position plan. Kraft has said in the past that he doesn't get involved in those decisions and leaves those to Bill. Obviously, the salary of the OC would be part of the annual business operations presentation that would require Kraft's approval. Unless, they establish an annual budget as a % of say the yearly cap. For example, 15% of the yearly cap goes to coaches salaries. Then as long as Bill stays within the budget, there wouldn't be much to report.

So again:

1. Kraft doesn't get involved in Bill's staffing decisions;
2. Bill stays within the budget;
3. Bill informs Kraft of his staffing decisions: Bob I'm going to replace McDaniels/Lombardi with a combination of Patricia & Judge. I believe these guys are qualified to do the job. I've known these guys for a long time. I'll be hands on to make sure they accomplish our goals for a successful season.
4. Kraft says, OK Bill if that's what you think is best.

Not sure what other type of answer you're looking for.

The other version being peddled is:

1. & 2. The same
3. Bill informs Kraft of his staffing decisions: Bob I'm going to temporarily replace McDaniels/Lombardi with a combination of Patricia & Judge. They are not the guys. The guy is BoB but I'm going to let him finish his contract w/ Saban so I don't piss him off. I believe these guys are qualified to do the job. I've known these guys for a long time. I'll be hands on to make sure they accomplish our goals for a successful season. Then we can hire BoB in '23.
4. Kraft thinks about this patch work plan and says: well Bill are you sure these guys can get it done? I don't want to waste a season just waiting for BoB.

To me, the first scenario sounds positive and final. The 2nd one sounds negative and half-ass. I would question the so called bridge plan immediately. It would open Bill to questions like: isn't there someone else we can get w/ more experience? Or, what if BoB changes his mind or gets offered a HC position w/ another team?

Great answer. Thanks for putting yourself out there when others run and hide.

Remember when Kraft stated that he had to arrange the cash flow strategy in 2021 to support BB's plan to sign so many FAs? Remember Kraft talking about the amount of cash required for that 2021 FA splurge and that he made arrangements for that cash outflow (I forget the exact quote but I am sure you get my point). So in considering the 2022 discussion like you have done above, and not forgetting that we have known facts about the outcome from the 2021 discussion where Kraft acknowledged that BB put a detailed plan in front of Kraft, including the FA singings, and budget required, it is not possible that the 2022 proposal was vague and non descript. Kraft supported the 2021 plan and had to scramble to financially support the FA signings, and there is no reason to believe that the plan put in front of Kraft for 2022 was any less detailed than the 2021 plan. Additionally all Kraft companies, and there are many Kraft companies, have to submit and present detailed yearly business strategies and budgets for approval, so Kraft acting in the same way with BB and the Patriots is to be expected.

Recognizing the above, to think the Kraft does not get involved in BB's OC and DC decisions is a stretch in my opinion. If I was Kraft, would I care who is the assistant o-line coach or the secondary coach? Probably not. But I would definitely be involved in who is the head coach, offensive and defensive coordinators. I believe it was widely reported that when McDaniels was going to leave for the Colts, Kraft was instrumental in keeping him in New England. So to say that Kraft does not get involved in BB's staffing decisions is a Yes and No. Agreed on #2, BB has to stay within the budget. So a Maybe on #1, and a Yes on #2. As far as #3 and #4 that Kraft gave BB a blank check to appoint anyone he liked and that his strategy was not scrutinized is LOL funny. Kraft has stated that he is actively involved in the year to year strategy and funding decisions, like the FA strategy in 2021 and retaining McDaniels, and you think Kraft was absent in the 2022 decision making? You propose that Kraft said, "Yeah just go with your gut, I love Matt and Joe, there are no red flags here, and you (BB) must be right". Talk about hard to believe. Also remember Kraft thought Brady was coming to visit to sign with the him to sign back in 2020, and Brady stiffed them and left for Tampa? Again, Kraft was deeply involved in that detailed personnel decision.

The 2nd scenario does sound half-ass because it is. And it turned out to be worse than half-ass, it turned out to be full-ass (which can ironically be a good thing, or so Kontra tells me - I would not know unless it is Asian). And even worse than that, it is most likely (shockingly) the outline of the actual plan presented to Kraft and approved by Kraft. I would suggest, which is not dissimilar from your suggestions and outlined like your proposal for clarity:

1. BB states that J McDaniels left. Mayo and Steven are holding down the defensive coaching and that side of the ball is going well. BB wants to continue to see Steve grow and that he sees Mayo as a future HC. But on the offensive side, the team has to deal with McDaniels leaving.
2. Two options are available on the offensive side of the ball. One hire a new offensive coordinator like years past, or BB has talked to BOB and Nick Saban, and BOB will be available in 2023. Unfortunately if we want to hire BOB in 2023 we have to have a "bridge" or "transitional" year in 2022.
3. The budget for 1. hiring a new OC or 2. a transitional year are presented. Since Patricia and Judge are still being paid by the Lions and Giants, the transitional year budget is $10M+ less expensive.
4. BB and Kraft talk about bridging and saving $10M+ while waiting for BOB. BB is convinced that the offensive playbook can be simplified which will help Mac, and though not ideal, the offensive playbook has to be simplified eventually since Mac is not Brady. Probably true even with BOB back.
5. Kraft has a condo to buy in FL for his new bride (let's not forget the first sugar baby ended up having a baby with another guy who is still unnamed (wowsa wowsa), and Kraft's strip mall Asian friends who I am very sympathetic to), so Kraft likes saving $10M to $20M with the BB transitional plan. Obviously with the sugar baby and strip mall experiences, Kraft has not demonstrated a great ability to discern low risk, high reward situations .
6. Kraft differs to BB to appoint Judge and Patricia as interim OCs. It turns out to be not only the worse decision of BB's career, but also BB's other mistakes are not even close.

That is how I see the discussion happening.

 

[venecol]

Great answer. Thanks for putting yourself out there when others run and hide.

Remember when Kraft stated that he had to arrange the cash flow strategy in 2021 to support BB's plan to sign so many FAs? Remember Kraft talking about the amount of cash required for that 2021 FA splurge and that he made arrangements for that cash outflow (I forget the exact quote but I am sure you get my point). So in considering the 2022 discussion like you have done above, and not forgetting that we have known facts about the outcome from the 2021 discussion where Kraft acknowledged that BB put a detailed plan in front of Kraft, including the FA singings, and budget required, it is not possible that the 2022 proposal was vague and non descript. Kraft supported the 2021 plan and had to scramble to financially support the FA signings, and there is no reason to believe that the plan put in front of Kraft for 2022 was any less detailed than the 2021 plan. Additionally all Kraft companies, and there are many Kraft companies, have to submit and present detailed yearly business strategies and budgets for approval, so Kraft acting in the same way with BB and the Patriots is to be expected.

Recognizing the above, to think the Kraft does not get involved in BB's OC and DC decisions is a stretch in my opinion. If I was Kraft, would I care who is the assistant o-line coach or the secondary coach? Probably not. But I would definitely be involved in who is the head coach, offensive and defensive coordinators. I believe it was widely reported that when McDaniels was going to leave for the Colts, Kraft was instrumental in keeping him in New England. So to say that Kraft does not get involved in BB's staffing decisions is a Yes and No. Agreed on #2, BB has to stay within the budget. So a Maybe on #1, and a Yes on #2. As far as #3 and #4 that Kraft gave BB a blank check to appoint anyone he liked and that his strategy was not scrutinized is LOL funny. Kraft has stated that he is actively involved in the year to year strategy and funding decisions, like the FA strategy in 2021 and retaining McDaniels, and you think Kraft was absent in the 2022 decision making? You propose that Kraft said, "Yeah just go with your gut, I love Matt and Joe, there are no red flags here, and you (BB) must be right". Talk about hard to believe. Also remember Kraft thought Brady was coming to visit to sign with the him to sign back in 2020, and Brady stiffed them and left for Tampa? Again, Kraft was deeply involved in that detailed personnel decision.

The 2nd scenario does sound half-ass because it is. And it turned out to be worse than half-ass, it turned out to be full-ass (which can ironically be a good thing, or so Kontra tells me - I would not know unless it is Asian). And even worse than that, it is most likely (shockingly) the outline of the actual plan presented to Kraft and approved by Kraft. I would suggest, which is not dissimilar from your suggestions and outlined like your proposal for clarity:

1. BB states that J McDaniels left. Mayo and Steven are holding down the defensive coaching and that side of the ball is going well. BB wants to continue to see Steve grow and that he sees Mayo as a future HC. But on the offensive side, the team has to deal with McDaniels leaving.
2. Two options are available on the offensive side of the ball. One hire a new offensive coordinator like years past, or BB has talked to BOB and Nick Saban, and BOB will be available in 2023. Unfortunately if we want to hire BOB in 2023 we have to have a "bridge" or "transitional" year in 2022.
3. The budget for 1. hiring a new OC or 2. a transitional year are presented. Since Patricia and Judge are still being paid by the Lions and Giants, the transitional year budget is $10M+ less expensive.
4. BB and Kraft talk about bridging and saving $10M+ while waiting for BOB. BB is convinced that the offensive playbook can be simplified which will help Mac, and though not ideal, the offensive playbook has to be simplified eventually since Mac is not Brady. Probably true even with BOB back.
5. Kraft has a condo to buy in FL for his new bride (let's not forget the first sugar baby ended up having a baby with another guy who is still unnamed (wowsa wowsa), and Kraft's strip mall Asian friends who I am very sympathetic to), so Kraft likes saving $10M to $20M with the BB transitional plan. Obviously with the sugar baby and strip mall experiences, Kraft has not demonstrated a great ability to discern low risk, high reward situations .
6. Kraft differs to BB to appoint Judge and Patricia as interim OCs. It turns out to be not only the worse decision of BB's career, but also BB's other mistakes are not even close.

That is how I see the discussion happening.

Who really knows, right? All I can do is piece together the scraps of information we get from the media (questionable) or from the main players themselves (Bill, Bob, etc.). I know this much:

1. At the owners meeting last year in Palm Beach, Kraft talked a lot. He was asked about the coaching and said he left that up to Bill. He also said that he was counting on previously drafted players and FAs to step up. I knew after he said that and his previous comments about all the checks he wrote in '21 that we were going to have a lean FAcy. He turned off the cash spigot. It came to be, hardly any moves during FAcy, imo to the detriment of the team. He also said that he was expecting to be a contender as early as this season.

2. Given all of the above, I just can't believe that Kraft would've signed off on Patricia/Judge as a temporary measure to wait for BoB to be available. Why? Because it would fly in the face of the expectations he laid out for the team w/ his comments in Palm Beach. Think about this rationally, what's more convincing to an owner w/ expectations of success:

A. Hard sell on MP/JJ as the future offensive co-coordinators. Bill uses the success he's had w/ the same formula on D w/ Steve/Mayo/Flores. It's worked in the past + MP is used to calling plays. "These are the guys Bob."

Or

B. Bob, these aren't the guys but we can hold the fort down until BoB is available in '23.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree. You do bring up a good point about the $$ saved between the two options, and maybe Kraft considered that. After all, he did have a wedding to pay for.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Who really knows, right? All I can do is piece together the scraps of information we get from the media (questionable) or from the main players themselves (Bill, Bob, etc.). I know this much:

1. At the owners meeting last year in Palm Beach, Kraft talked a lot. He was asked about the coaching and said he left that up to Bill. He also said that he was counting on previously drafted players and FAs to step up. I knew after he said that and his previous comments about all the checks he wrote in '21 that we were going to have a lean FAcy. He turned off the cash spigot. It came to be, hardly any moves during FAcy, imo to the detriment of the team. He also said that he was expecting to be a contender as early as this season.

2. Given all of the above, I just can't believe that Kraft would've signed off on Patricia/Judge as a temporary measure to wait for BoB to be available. Why? Because it would fly in the face of the expectations he laid out for the team w/ his comments in Palm Beach. Think about this rationally, what's more convincing to an owner w/ expectations of success:

A. Hard sell on MP/JJ as the future offensive co-coordinators. Bill uses the success he's had w/ the same formula on D w/ Steve/Mayo/Flores. It's worked in the past + MP is used to calling plays. "These are the guys Bob."

Or

B. Bob, these aren't the guys but we can hold the fort down until BoB is available in '23.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree. You do bring up a good point about the $$ saved between the two options, and maybe Kraft considered that. After all, he did have a wedding to pay for.

Agreed. People think billionaires do not think about money since they have so much. The opposite is true, they only have so much money because they are obsessive about money. Do you think Kraft has a iron-clad pre-nuptial? Haha.

I wish the Kraft family all the best, but anyone that thinks Kraft did not realize that Judge and Patricia being OCs would save him $10M to $20M dollars is an idiot. BB blew it - no doubt. Judge is a chump - but he did a much better job with special teams than Achord, so what is Achord? Kraft did not simply trust Bill with the 2022 coaching decision without discussing it in great detail. BB and Kraft went into great detail on the 2020 FA splurge, and I am sure they went into great detail in 2022 as well.

It does not really matter. BB choked. Worse choke job of his career. But I can not think of anything that can make me not believe it was fully discussed between BB and Kraft and agreed as a bridge or transitional year.

 

[venecol]

Agreed. People think billionaires do not think about money since they have so much. The opposite is true, they only have so much money because they are obsessive about money. Do you think Kraft has a iron-clad pre-nuptial? Haha.

I wish the Kraft family all the best, but anyone that thinks Kraft did not realize that Judge and Patricia being OCs would save him $10M to $20M dollars is an idiot. BB blew it - no doubt. Judge is a chump - but he did a much better job with special teams than Achord, so what is Achord? Kraft did not simply trust Bill with the 2022 coaching decision without discussing it in great detail. BB and Kraft went into great detail on the 2020 FA splurge, and I am sure they went into great detail in 2022 as well.

It does not really matter. BB choked. Worse choke job of his career. But I can not think of anything that can make me not believe it was fully discussed between BB and Kraft and agreed as a bridge or transitional year.

So you believe that Bill came up w/ an evil master plan to dupe his buddy Fat Matt and Judge into accepting roles they weren't qualified for until his other buddy Teapot was available to take the job from both of them; while they both looked like clowns possibly ending their NFL coaching careers and that Early Bird signed off on this plan, meaning he was trolling the fans with his Palm Beach statements?

If so, the sheer duplicitous evil nature of the plan gives me greater respect for Bill and Bob. Those two old geezers are vicious asF. Lol

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I beg to differ. Meyers have given Troy Brown plenty of credit. So did Bourne last year.

aren't the route spacing, not turning your head for like 3-4 seconds also the responsibility for the WR Coach? i am wondering how much impact a position coach can have in such an dysfunctional offense under MP

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

No way. Kraft gives BB some leeway but no-one runs a multi-billion dollar business without a yearly plan and budget that has to be approved. You don't have a yearly budget at your work?

still a working student but for a big company, we have budgets for every company we audit yeah but i am wondering if bb goes to kraft and says i want to hire patricia is de facto oc, if kraft really questions bb's decision here, because IBWT

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I don’t know, you said I called it a bridge year, I said I never used that term. I guess the difference is whatever you think it is.

The “friends” thing is idiotic. Why is Matt Patricia his “friend”? Because he has worked for him for more than a decade. Are you suggesting that hiring someone as a grunt having them work their way up to getting a HC job under your supervision and do a great job wouldn’t be the reason you hire them again?

i would never hire them in a position they have never worked before, just because they worked their way up on defense does not make me hire them for an offense position, so no

Tell me what the better options were.
Kafka was never a coordinator before. He didn’t exactly shower himself with rousing success this year, and of course I’d rather have BOB going forward.
A completely different level? They were 18th in yards and 15th in points. Sure you could easily argue he would have likely made the offense a little better than the way it was but he’s still an unproven guy I certainly wouldn’t hire over BOB.
Im confused at what point you think I said Patricia and Judge were the best options. I said it’s pretty clear he picked the option that HE FELT WAS BEST FOR THE SITUATION. Are you arguing he purposely made a choice he new was bad and sabotaged his own team, job and career?

i question how bb could really think this will work, patricia and judge were complete failures outside of DC and ST Coach, so yeah i would have welcomed a new influence and "taking a shot" like a guy on kafka or laFleur or whatever. It may would have worked out, may not, nobody knows

 

[turkeyneck]

If judge is staying better not be anything but st’s

I don't see even that working despite past success. If the Herald article has a grain of truth Judge is now locker room poison.

 

[RIpats88]

Can't we just admit Bill made massive massive mistake? No he was some genius to sabotage a season to wait for O'Brien.

He underestimated how tough calling an offense is. It was pure hubris. If the Jets hired a DC to call offense and the results were this bad we would laugh at them.

This is the kind of move that if he wasn't Belichick gets a coach fired.

On the plus side it seems he accepted responsibility and now we have a real OC. It's the same as Bill overruling his scouts and the pats changing their drafting methods in 2020 which has lead to some pretty good drafts each year since.

When the pats lowballed Brady with 1 year deals and let him go without even a phonecall from Bill we were told "you can't reward someone based on past performance!" Yet at the same time we are supposed to give Bill a pass for his poor decisions because of his past. 2020 was a disaster as Brady won a Superbowl and showed he was not washed. 2021 was a step in the right direction...and 2022 a MASSIVE step back.

2023 needs to be at least a success as 2021 if not much better. Patriots need to add talent to this roster and actually compete.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

1. BB states that J McDaniels left. Mayo and Steven are holding down the defensive coaching and that side of the ball is going well. BB wants to continue to see Steve grow and that he sees Mayo as a future HC. But on the offensive side, the team has to deal with McDaniels leaving.
2. Two options are available on the offensive side of the ball. One hire a new offensive coordinator like years past, or BB has talked to BOB and Nick Saban, and BOB will be available in 2023. Unfortunately if we want to hire BOB in 2023 we have to have a "bridge" or "transitional" year in 2022.
3. The budget for 1. hiring a new OC or 2. a transitional year are presented. Since Patricia and Judge are still being paid by the Lions and Giants, the transitional year budget is $10M+ less expensive.
4. BB and Kraft talk about bridging and saving $10M+ while waiting for BOB. BB is convinced that the offensive playbook can be simplified which will help Mac, and though not ideal, the offensive playbook has to be simplified eventually since Mac is not Brady. Probably true even with BOB back.
5. Kraft has a condo to buy in FL for his new bride (let's not forget the first sugar baby ended up having a baby with another guy who is still unnamed (wowsa wowsa), and Kraft's strip mall Asian friends who I am very sympathetic to), so Kraft likes saving $10M to $20M with the BB transitional plan. Obviously with the sugar baby and strip mall experiences, Kraft has not demonstrated a great ability to discern low risk, high reward situations .
6. Kraft differs to BB to appoint Judge and Patricia as interim OCs. It turns out to be not only the worse decision of BB's career, but also BB's other mistakes are not even close.

That is how I see the discussion happening.

Great write up. I think that there was probably a 4a in the discussion.

4a. Kraft and BB discuss the the timing of the talent rebuild cycle, including the 2023 cap situation and the relative strength of the competition, acknowledging that it is unlikely that the 2022 team is a championship contender even with the additional investment in an experienced OC.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

So you believe that Bill came up w/ an evil master plan to dupe his buddy Fat Matt and Judge into accepting roles they weren't qualified for until his other buddy Teapot was available to take the job from both of them; while they both looked like clowns possibly ending their NFL coaching careers and that Early Bird signed off on this plan, meaning he was trolling the fans with his Palm Beach statements?

If so, the sheer duplicitous evil nature of the plan gives me greater respect for Bill and Bob. Those two old geezers are vicious asF. Lol

As other posts have suggested, JJ and MP were complicit in this plan as a way to restore their brand as qualified, well rounded HC material. The plan was risky to say the least and quickly short circuited by JJ being an insecure jerk. It is not too much of a stretch to think that having player input and buy in during the process would have led to a couple of additional victories.

 

[Ring 6]

What is so, so sad is that the best Bill could do was to hire Patricia and have him do damage to Jones and the Offense for a full season. Were there really NO, ZERO, OL coaches available? A lot of assistants or college coaches might have jumped at a patriots OL job, even for a year. If the coach did an OK job, he could have been given an assistant job for another year.

And yes, he might have gotten an interim QB coach. His high school coach, or assistant college coach would have been a better choice than Judge.

As far as OC, we didn't need to have one, just a coach willing to take basically a one year stint, perhaps a college coach.
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The really sad thing is that best GM Bill could do was to hirePatricia and Judge, and give them a free reign on changes the OL schemes and player positions, with apparently little oversight (or interest).
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OF COURSE, what we seem unwilling to say is that Kraft saved lots of money by having other teams pay for his play-caller, his QB coach, his OL coach, and his OC; that, in addition to paying the fewest number of coaches in the NFL.

He chose people he trusted, knows very well and has a great deal of experience with over your plan of anybody or a high school coach. It is what it is. Nobody has every decision work out. Now it has been fixed.

 

[Ring 6]

i would never hire them in a position they have never worked before, just because they worked their way up on defense does not make me hire them for an offense position, so no

i question how bb could really think this will work, patricia and judge were complete failures outside of DC and ST Coach, so yeah i would have welcomed a new influence and "taking a shot" like a guy on kafka or laFleur or whatever. It may would have worked out, may not, nobody knows

Ok you question it, which is easy in hindsight.
I say we are better off today with BOB here than if we went a different route despite the disappointing result of 2022.
What more is there to say? Belichick made a decision that didn’t work well in the short term now we will see how it goes in the long term.
If you feel it makes you happy to repeat 7309 times that you would have done something different, go for it.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Ok you question it, which is easy in hindsight.
I say we are better off today with BOB here than if we went a different route despite the disappointing result of 2022.
What more is there to say? Belichick made a decision that didn’t work well in the short term now we will see how it goes in the long term.
If you feel it makes you happy to repeat 7309 times that you would have done something different, go for it.

depends on the BOB outcome, so you may see me repeating this and @you jk

 

[Steve102]

Can't we just admit Bill made massive massive mistake? No he was some genius to sabotage a season to wait for O'Brien.

He underestimated how tough calling an offense is. It was pure hubris. If the Jets hired a DC to call offense and the results were this bad we would laugh at them.

This is the kind of move that if he wasn't Belichick gets a coach fired.

On the plus side it seems he accepted responsibility and now we have a real OC. It's the same as Bill overruling his scouts and the pats changing their drafting methods in 2020 which has lead to some pretty good drafts each year since.

When the pats lowballed Brady with 1 year deals and let him go without even a phonecall from Bill we were told "you can't reward someone based on past performance!" Yet at the same time we are supposed to give Bill a pass for his poor decisions because of his past. 2020 was a disaster as Brady won a Superbowl and showed he was not washed. 2021 was a step in the right direction...and 2022 a MASSIVE step back.

2023 needs to be at least a success as 2021 if not much better. Patriots need to add talent to this roster and actually compete.

I've been on the program that Bill had BoB in his pocket for '23, with assurances from Saban and BoB himself. Kraft signed off on JJ/FM due to the savings in payroll, with Bill assuring him that they would have a level of success with these two, and that he would oversee the offense with more hands on than ever. It was a giant eff up on Bill's part to think that Fat Matt and Judge could run the offense when they had zero experience as playcallers in the NFL. I think Bill thought that they were knowledgable football minds, and with him overseeing, they'd be fine.

Regardless of my propensity for conspiracy theories (@venecol ) the end result is they have the ship pointed in the right direction, and they got their guy.

 

[Ring 6]

depends on the BOB outcome, so you may see me repeating this and @you jk

I don’t get the point of repeating it. Why would a fan of the most successful franchise and coach in history feel the need to harp on what went wrong during that tenure? What does that accomplish?
Isn’t the best approach to look forward to the future, revel in the success and accept the failures, given the situation that the successes have been greater than anyone has ever had and the failures fewer?
I don’t understand the interest in focussing on the negative.

 

[turkeyneck]

It was a giant eff up on Bill's part to think that Fat Matt and Judge could run the offense when they had zero experience as playcallers in the NFL. I think Bill thought that they were knowledgable football minds, and with him overseeing, they'd be fine.

I think Bill has a weak spot for people who can talk a good Xs and Os game at the white board and a blind spot in how that translates to execution on the field in live action. Cough ... Jordan Richards ... cough ... N'Keal Harry ... cough

 

[1960Pats]

You don't want a quota system anywhere let alone in football. Let people hire who they want to hire.

Then why have the rule in the first place?
Obviously the NYFL thinks they have a problem (they do) but they don't really want to fix it. They just want to give it lip service with phony baloney interviews.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I don’t get the point of repeating it. Why would a fan of the most successful franchise and coach in history feel the need to harp on what went wrong during that tenure? What does that accomplish?
Isn’t the best approach to look forward to the future, revel in the success and accept the failures, given the situation that the successes have been greater than anyone has ever had and the failures fewer?
I don’t understand the interest in focussing on the negative.

i thought the addition of jk (joking) made it clear that i don't think repeating it is neccessary

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Agreed. People think billionaires do not think about money since they have so much. The opposite is true, they only have so much money because they are obsessive about money. Do you think Kraft has a iron-clad pre-nuptial? Haha.

I wish the Kraft family all the best, but anyone that thinks Kraft did not realize that Judge and Patricia being OCs would save him $10M to $20M dollars is an idiot. BB blew it - no doubt. Judge is a chump - but he did a much better job with special teams than Achord, so what is Achord? Kraft did not simply trust Bill with the 2022 coaching decision without discussing it in great detail. BB and Kraft went into great detail on the 2020 FA splurge, and I am sure they went into great detail in 2022 as well.

It does not really matter. BB choked. Worse choke job of his career. But I can not think of anything that can make me not believe it was fully discussed between BB and Kraft and agreed as a bridge or transitional year.

I don't think it saved him that much having MP and JJ on the staff, the Pats still have to pay them just not much and if they were paying their whole salaries, it wouldn't be 10-20 million.