Mayo negotiations + OC interviews next week

[patsfanfromoversea]

Do you really think that was the decision?
BOB plus INTENTIONALLY WASTING A YEAR AND SETTING BACK THE DEVELOPMENT OF PLAYERS vs choice #2?

Andy it would be even worse if bb saw this year as a bridge year to wait for bob and hire Patricia with really thinking that it would work
Patricia and judge were a failure from the start on which was clear for most fans
Why do you think he hired them? Do you think bb really thought Patricia would be a good and long term solution at the oc position ?

 

[venecol]

I absolutely did not.
Someone made a comment about their responsibilities and said “it was from
Mayos mouth”
I asked for a link to the quote because I didn’t believe that was accurate. It turned out it was Curran saying what he thought mayos camp felt.

If you are saying I w used the argument “I don’t think that’s correct can you show me where you got it from” of course I do, all the time. It’s normal discussion.

If you really want to lie and say I argued to see tape of it, you are a sad sad man because you know that’s just not true, nor is it sensible.

Not same standard: if you think I am wrong, it’s all on these pages so quote it.
Otherwise an honorable man would admit they are wrong. Are you?

Same scenario:

P: Mayo said he did the coordinating.
Andy: no he didn't.
P: It was widely reported by his camp that's what he did.
Andy: show me where Mayo says he did the coordinating, his camp or reports about it don't count.

Andy: Bill told BB he wanted to be the OC.
P: No he didn't.
Andy: it was widely reported BB was in contact w/ BoB.
P: Show me where he said he wanted to be the OC.

You must think we're dumb. When people use your same tactics against you, it's always: but it's different, I didn't say that, you're lying, you're putting words in my mouth, your not being honorable. Lol, you're like a child. A lying little baby.

 

[venecol]

Making changes and moving forward and not obsessing over past mistakes.

What are they doing about Patricia though?

 

[Ross12]

I saw the Jets hired Nathaniel Hackett as their OC, so Caley's not going there. Wonder if he stays in NE and learns under BOB.

 

[PScottman]

What are they doing about Patricia though?

Not having him be OC.

I'll guess you're thinking the issue is if they retain him as OL Coach (unlikely with BOB inbound, but still a possibility) that keeps all the volatile ingredients together (Mac and Patricia specifically, but even other offensive players). I'd be shocked by such an outcome.

If they kick him upstairs as Ken suggested, there's only an issue if people (like us, the media, or players who can't move on) make it one because he's no longer got ANY decision status on their day to day lives (if the Ernie Adams role).

 

[venecol]

Not having him be OC.

I'll guess you're thinking the issue is if they retain him as OL Coach (unlikely with BOB inbound, but still a possibility) that keeps all the volatile ingredients together (Mac and Patricia specifically, but even other offensive players). I'd be shocked by such an outcome.

If they kick him upstairs as Ken suggested, there's only an issue if people (like us, the media, or players who can't move on) make it one because he's no longer got ANY decision status on their day to day lives (if the Ernie Adams role).

Yea maybe. If things were as bad as reported in that article, my guess is they move on from him. His contract w/ Lions expired so Kraft would have to pay him now. Not sure if that's a consideration or not.

 

[notex]

Pats need to get Judge and Patricia out of the coaching staff.. Period.

Get Klemm to run OL / Run game and find a ST coach. Let Judge go, Patricia can stay in Ernie Adams role.... BB is fumbling this one bad.

 

[PScottman]

If things were as bad as reported in that article,

That's where I tend to become skeptical. Reporting has basically morphed into social media. It's polarity based story-telling - one extreme or the other. Did the article get quotes from both sides? Did it examine both points of view? How is it different than the whisper game?

So the truth likely is not clear because all we got is one sided, emotional, and post-firing so zero filter. This isn't defending Patricia - he clearly deserved firing - but how is it that article different from 10th grade clique gossip if you only get the 'Mean Girls' take?

"Absolutely Greg's party was the greatest ever because he finally kissed me!" (while no one tells anyone there was no beer, Ellie threw up on you after eating Taco Bell, Greg actually kissed every girl there, and you might've gotten mono from said kiss)

 

[venecol]

That's where I tend to become skeptical. Reporting has basically morphed into social media. It's polarity based story-telling - one extreme or the other. Did the article get quotes from both sides? Did it examine both points of view? How is it different than the whisper game?

So the truth likely is not clear because all we got is one sided, emotional, and post-firing so zero filter. This isn't defending Patricia - he clearly deserved firing - but how is it that article different from 10th grade clique gossip if you only get the 'Mean Girls' take?

"Absolutely Greg's party was the greatest ever because he finally kissed me!" (while no one tells anyone there was no beer, Ellie threw up on you after eating Taco Bell, Greg actually kissed every girl there, and you might've gotten mono from said kiss)

I've never gotten the impression that Karen G. is a click-bait media hack. Her articles and reporting always seem professional. Even in this one, she's not drawing outlandish conclusions short of what she's heard from the interviews conducted. Some of the quotes are obviously from players. As far as the other side goes, I'm sure she reached out but Foxboro is a vault. These reporters have their work cut out for them. It must be like a scavanger hunt.

I haven't heard of any firings. Patricia was never an official OC. They haven't announced a new OL coach. I suppose Judge is fired since BoB was announced as QB coach but again no official announcements. Acorn went to the bowl w/ the rest of the position coaches. It's all very weird.

 

[archstanton543]

I've never gotten the impression that Karen G. is a click-bait media hack. Her articles and reporting always seem professional. Even in this one, she's not drawing outlandish conclusions short of what she's heard from the interviews conducted. Some of the quotes are obviously from players. As far as the other side goes, I'm sure she reached out but Foxboro is a vault. These reporters have their work cut out for them. It must be like a scavanger hunt.

I haven't heard of any firings. Patricia was never an official OC. They haven't announced a new OL coach. I suppose Judge is fired since BoB was announced as QB coach but again no official announcements. Acorn went to the bowl w/ the rest of the position coaches. It's all very weird.

In the official Tweet announcement of BoB being hired as the OC, they list his other job responsibility as QB coach.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy it would be even worse if bb saw this year as a bridge year to wait for bob and hire Patricia with really thinking that it would work
Patricia and judge were a failure from the start on which was clear for most fans
Why do you think he hired them? Do you think bb really thought Patricia would be a good and long term solution at the oc position ?

I’ve been pretty clear on this. Patricia was a stop gap.
Of course he expected the stop gap to work well enough or he would have done something else. Are you under the assumption he is supposed to be infallible?
Which is more likely? He picked an option he knew would fail, or he picked the option he felt was best for the situation but was wrong and it failed?

 

[venecol]

In the official Tweet announcement of BoB being hired as the OC, they list his other job responsibility as QB coach.

I meant an official announcement of firings. I guess we'll never get one.

 

[Ring 6]

Same scenario:

P: Mayo said he did the coordinating.
Andy: no he didn't.
P: It was widely reported by his camp that's what he did.
Andy: show me where Mayo says he did the coordinating, his camp or reports about it don't count.

Andy: Bill told BB he wanted to be the OC.
P: No he didn't.
Andy: it was widely reported BB was in contact w/ BoB.
P: Show me where he said he wanted to be the OC.

You must think we're dumb. When people use your same tactics against you, it's always: but it's different, I didn't say that, you're lying, you're putting words in my mouth, your not being honorable. Lol, you're like a child. A lying little baby.

Not close to accurate.

The first was “Mayo said he is the coordinator and SB calls the plays.”
Where did you hear that?
It was straight from Mayos mouth.
Was it? I don’t think so? Show me.
And what was shown was Curran saying he thought “mayos camp” FELT he did more of the coordinating and sb called the plays.

The pertinent issue being it wasn’t from Mayos mouth and it wasn’t the same thing that was originally said.

The second is we know they talked, we know BOB wanted to honor his contract and we know he was hired as soon as it was up.

The pertinent issue here was the evidence to support the belief that they planned this a year ago and it was a stop gap.

“These words were spoken by Mayo” and “it seems obvious in hindsight this was the plan” are not even close to the same type of discussion.


I knew Mayo didn’t say those words. I was right.

Everyone is pretty confident what happened with BOB.


Hopefully I have educated you here and we can move on.

 

[Zuma]

I meant an official announcement of firings. I guess we'll never get one.

I don't know what opportunities Matty and Judge will have outside New England but the longer Bill waits...the harder it will be for those 2 to find jobs that aren't already taken. The longer it goes on...the more likely they will be re-assigned other duties with the Patriots.

 

[archstanton543]

I meant an official announcement of firings. I guess we'll never get one.

When have the Pats done that in the BB era? It's odd that they put out an official hiring announcement as it is.

 

[venecol]

Not close to accurate.

The first was “Mayo said he is the coordinator and SB calls the plays.”
Where did you hear that?
It was straight from Mayos mouth.
Was it? I don’t think so? Show me.
And what was shown was Curran saying he thought “mayos camp” FELT he did more of the coordinating and sb called the plays.

The pertinent issue being it wasn’t from Mayos mouth and it wasn’t the same thing that was originally said.

The second is we know they talked, we know BOB wanted to honor his contract and we know he was hired as soon as it was up.

The pertinent issue here was the evidence to support the belief that they planned this a year ago and it was a stop gap.

“These words were spoken by Mayo” and “it seems obvious in hindsight this was the plan” are not even close to the same type of discussion.


I knew Mayo didn’t say those words. I was right.

Everyone is pretty confident what happened with BOB.


Hopefully I have educated you here and we can move on.

Nah, it's the same thing but like always you're twisting everything to fit your narrative. You said: "BoB told BB he wanted to be OC." When asked to produce evidence of that, you said it was widely reported. Now you're changing it to say:

The pertinent issue here was the evidence to support the belief that they planned this a year ago and it was a stop gap.

So you discounted your own version of: Bob told BB he wanted to be OC, when asked to produce evidence.

Yet, when people said there was reporting from Mayo's camp of what he did, you discounted it because it wasn't Mayo that said it.

Same thing. I'm done. You've been exposed. Not that anyone is surprised. You left because you became a joke around here. People were laughing at you, making fun of you. Nothing is going to change because you haven't changed. Same old Andy. I suggest you make another name change and pretend it isn't you for months like you did when you went from Andy to Ring6. That was funny asF.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Is bob really that good that you would intentionally waste one year and set back player developments instead of maybe hiring a real oc las year in the rest place? Like kafka who was available and looks like a good oc

I agree. Looking backwards it looks really stupid. For some reason it looked OK to the Pats, which includes Kraft. No idea why. But I think they talked about it and decided to wait.

Do you think they didn't talk about it? Do you think they stumbled into it with no discussion? No way is Kraft so removed from the organization that it was not discussed in my opinion.

 

[Scotty]

Any thoughts on when we may hear about the position coaching changes , either new coaches or movements of existing coaches ?

Possibly next week ?

 

[Ring 6]

Nah, it's the same thing but like always you're twisting everything to fit your narrative. You said: "BoB told BB he wanted to be OC." When asked to produce evidence of that, you said it was widely reported. Now you're changing it to say:


So you discounted your own version of: Bob told BB he wanted to be OC, when asked to produce evidence.

Yet, when people said there was reporting from Mayo's camp of what he did, you discounted it because it wasn't Mayo that said it.

Same thing. I'm done. You've been exposed. Not that anyone is surprised. You left because you became a joke around here. People were laughing at you, making fun of you. Nothing is going to change because you haven't changed. Same old Andy. I suggest you make another name change and pretend it isn't you for months like you did when you went from Andy to Ring6. That was funny asF.

Is your reading comprehension seriously that bad?

When did I say “BOB told BB he wanted to be the OC”?
I didn’t, because I wasn’t there. But they talked, he stick out the year, and signed here immediately. 2+2=4

I think you are reffing to this comment

So your argument is that when BB spoke with BOB last year BOB wanted to be the OC and BB said nah, I’ll go with none and have Patricia call plays and judge qb coach because that’s a better plan?

Which is laughably not me saying that big saying your argument amounts to that. Funny stuff.


I can tell whether you aren’t smart enough to follow the difference and can’t understand why needing a source for a misquote is different than needing a source for a universally accepted belief, or if your inferiority complex just forces you to lie. Either way, you serve no purpose.
Go back to spending your time exercising your right to be miserable.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree. Looking backwards it looks really stupid. For some reason it looked OK to the Pats, which includes Kraft. No idea why. But I think they talked about it and decided to wait.

Do you think they didn't talk about it? Do you think they stumbled into it with no discussion? No way is Kraft so removed from the organization that it was not discussed in my opinion.

Understanding the thought process would probably also require considering the alternatives.

It’s not an abnormal approach for a manager to rely on giving responsibility to a trusted loyal employee who may have less talent than to bring in someone new who you have no experience with or level of trust. Particularly in an interim position.