Reports are the Pats may upgrade the WRs through trade (not necessarily Hopkins)

[PowerRunRevival]

I don't mind Trading for Hopkins but not for a Second in this particular Draft. I think you can get a Starter in the Second in this Draft.

I like Hyatt, Flowers, Downs, RIce and Parker as potential second round receivers, but other than Flowers, I'd rather have Hopkins than those guys. Ideally Hopkins would cost something like a 3rd or a 3rd and 4th because those picks in the first two rounds are real valuable.

In the past O'Brien has utilized the small quick slot receivers with success (especially when they run his pet play Hoss Y Juke). There are a ton of those types of guys in the draft this year. I would bet that they add one of those quick slots in the draft.

 

[PatsFan2]

I like Hyatt, Flowers, Downs, RIce and Parker as potential second round receivers, but other than Flowers, I'd rather have Hopkins than those guys. Ideally Hopkins would cost something like a 3rd or a 3rd and 4th because those picks in the first two rounds are real valuable.

In the past O'Brien has utilized the small quick slot receivers with success (especially when they run his pet play Hoss Y Juke). There are a ton of those types of guys in the draft this year. I would bet that they add one of those quick slots in the draft.

Jalin Hyatt is my favorite WR from this Draft he has game breaker written all over him I think he goes in the First. I am hoping Bob likes him enough.

 

[Steve102]

Was so upset when we traded him,
I had just gotten my Glenn Jersey he was my favorite receiver back then.
When he made the game winning play against the Chargers i thought that Brady ti Glenn connection is special.

Come to think of it when Bill came in and cut Coates,Slade, I believe Willie Clay, It made me piss Pete.

That was Glenn's last TD here if I recall correctly. He came in with such promise, he never fully developed into what he could have been. Such a loss.

 

[Boomer B]

Because it really can't be measured, and any attempt at that is a joke. You can see it with your own eyes, but measuring it as a stat is a joke.

e.g., N'keal was very poor at separating, that we can all agree on. But Parker can dominate games and top CB's like Gilmore, so if some stat is saying he can't separate, then the problem is with the stat.

I think you’re overrating Parker.

In 8 years in the league he is averaging 650 yds and 3.3 TDs per year over his career. He’s a guy who can win some jump balls but doesn’t get separation. We need to get Mac some easier throws then 50/50 jump balls.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think you’re overrating Parker.

In 8 years in the league he is averaging 650 yds and 3.3 TDs per year over his career. He’s a guy who can win some jump balls but doesn’t get separation. We need to get Mac some easier throws then 50/50 jump balls.

They are some receivers in the upcoming Draft with Edelman type separation and great speed to boot ie...Jordan Addison - Tank Dell and Marvin Mims.

 

[venecol]

Separation means different things depending on the play call and the defense that's why it's hard to measure. You could measure it by how close the nearest defender is but again the defense and the play call matters.

A WR running a cross with one step on a corner who is running directly behind him is great separation, but if that receiver is running the same route against a zone and doesn't sit in between the zones he could have no one within feet of him on any side but not be open at all because he's running towards a zone. For me separation is how open you get which is difficult to measure because open means different things based on the offensive play call and the defense they run it against.

Separation is an eye test metric imo, which makes it harder to properly quantify.

I think separation as they measure it is simply how close the receiver is to the nearest defender. I understand what you are saying, but if you end up dead last for 3 consecutive years in separation from the closest defender, there's a problem, regardless of the context. I suppose Parker is known as a 50/50 receiver for a reason. Not that being good at 50/50 balls is a bad thing. You need those guys too.

 

[TomPatriot]

They are some receivers in the upcoming Draft with Edelman type separation and great speed to boot ie...Jordan Addison - Tank Dell and Marvin Mims.

The key to Edelman's ability to separate was his quickness. His 3cone speed was excellent and made him difficult to cover. Of course, he also caught passes from a decent QB, so there's that.

 

[venecol]

Jalin Hyatt is my favorite WR from this Draft he has game breaker written all over him I think he goes in the First. I am hoping Bob likes him enough.

You keep on saying that you hope BoB likes this and that. What about Mayo? You don't think Mayo is going to want guys on his side of the ball? Do you believe BoB is going to come in and have more influence than Mayo?

I mean, last season we drafted 7/10 offensive players. Imo that was a mistake. If there's a solid CB1 at #14, take him. Jonathan Jones is a good CB but he's being played out of position. He's a great slot CB, and an avg outside CB. I don't care what ppl say about Mills, he's below avg. Move him to S or depth. We have 3 shrimps at CB. We need size.

CB1 - Draft 1st Rd (>6')
CB2 - Jack Jones (5'-11")
Nickel - Marcus Jones (5'-8")
Mills can be depth.

Let JoJones walk, he's 29.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

“Meanwhile in Vegas, I’ve talked to a few people around the league who expect coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Dave Ziegler to continue aggressively tweaking the roster,” Fowler wrote. “McDaniels is big on ‘culture fits’ and will want his own guys. Teams will be keeping an eye on tight end Darren Waller and wide receiver Hunter Renfrow in that process.”

Hunter Renfrow Rumors: Should Patriots Pursue Trade For Raiders Receiver?

Hunter Renfrow reportedly could be available in a trade this offseason. Should the New England Patriots pursue the Raiders receiver?

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edit: my own take here - I find it unlikely that if Renfrow or Waller are not “culture fits” with the Raiders, that Belichick would think they’re culture fits here. But we’ll see.

 

[Hyped]

I would cry if they give Meyers 15Mill this a good year to get solid young WR from the Draft. Lets go the route again even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. Just don't let BB make the pick or do the evaluations BB and WR are like oil and water.

15M/year is the going rate for a WR like Meyers these days....case in example, Christian Kirk got a 4 year 72 mil deal last year in FA....18M/year.

Kirk's final stats in his last season in Arizona: 77 rec, 982 yards, and 5 TDs.

Meyer's stats this year: 67 rec, 804 yards, and 6 TDs.

The only difference is that Kirk is a deep threat.

 

[Hyped]

Davante will cost them $40m+ over the next 2 years. Then they have to cut him and they'll incur a $15.5m cap hit.

Tyreek Hill is getting $55m over the next 2 years.

The market is $20-25m plus for top #1s.

As we saw with the Chark, Allen Robinson, a few other signings, it's $10-$15m for #2s.

To be fair, if the price is right (12.5M-15.5M) and the same for each player....I'd rank them as:

Meyers>Lazar>JuJu>Chark

But I might rather kick the tires on Sherffield (MIA) or Watson (K.C.) or Slayton (NYG) or Carter (LAC), Robinson (BAL), Campbell (IND), Crowder (BUF)>Marvin Jones Jr. (JAX)

A low cost FA and a draft pick to combine with Parker, Bourne, Thorton, and Wilkerson/Nixon/Webb should be good enough to move the ball without overpaying for Meyers, IMO.

 

[upstater1]

Q: do you swing for the fences on Quentin Johnston?

You don't see 6'4" 220 pound WRs with quickness very often in the NFL.

Drake London had 72 receptions of 800 yards playing with a scrub QB.

What do you do?

 

[DOGWARZ]

Well the pats staff will be coaching the west in the Shriner Bowl. Zay flowers will be one of the WR playing on the West team. So they will get a good look at him before the draft

 

[PowerRunRevival]

I think separation as they measure it is simply how close the receiver is to the nearest defender. I understand what you are saying, but if you end up dead last for 3 consecutive years in separation from the closest defender, there's a problem, regardless of the context. I suppose Parker is known as a 50/50 receiver for a reason. Not that being good at 50/50 balls is a bad thing. You need those guys too.

Completely agree there is a problem with the current receivers. I want the Pats to bring in one receiver via trade and draft another in the first 3 rounds. Jacoby does get solid separation imo, but I'm not sure if the team can afford to keep him then extend a good receiver they trade for.

I was just saying separation is hard to measure. The eye test showed the Pats receivers didn't get open well enough this season, I just kind of question the separation metrics.

O'Brien should help with some of the separation issues. I'd expect the team to be able to successfully run rub routes next season instead of having their receivers run into each other. In the end though they need to add receivers that get open and can run with it after the catch.

 

[PatsFan2]

Q: do you swing for the fences on Quentin Johnston?

You don't see 6'4" 220 pound WRs with quickness very often in the NFL.

Drake London had 72 receptions of 800 yards playing with a scrub QB.

What do you do?

I would rather one of the little 5'11 or 6'0 guys stay away for those Big guys them and the Patriots are like oil and water.

 

[patfanken]

Duly noted but I see some sure Slot types from the upcoming Draft who should thrive in the Slot from Day 1.

Zay Flowers - Josh Downs and Marvin Mims I am sure Bob is aware.

Just a thought on slot guys: Don't they usually take a year or 2 before they become really effective. Welker had 3 years to develop in Miami before he came here. Edelman was even a LONGER process before he was a regular contributor on offense. Troy didn't come right out of the box either.

I'm not saying we should be looking for a twitchy slot guy in the 3rd or 4th rounds. We DEFINITELY should. I'm just wondering if we DO draft one, how much of a contribution will he make in 2023.

I'm wondering if the Pats should try and make a play for the Jets kid (Mims I think) who they haven't been thrilled with. He's about to enter his 4th year. Barrios has been more reliable and he's redundant. Is he worth a 5th round pick?

 

[PatsFan2]

Just a thought on slot guys: Don't they usually take a year or 2 before they become really effective. Welker had 3 years to develop in Miami before he came here. Edelman was even a LONGER process before he was a regular contributor on offense. Troy didn't come right out of the box either.

I'm not saying we should be looking for a twitchy slot guy in the 3rd or 4th rounds. We DEFINITELY should. I'm just wondering if we DO draft one, how much of a contribution will he make in 2023.

I'm wondering if the Pats should try and make a play for the Jets kid (Mims I think) who they haven't been thrilled with. He's about to enter his 4th year. Barrios has been more reliable and he's redundant. Is he worth a 5th round pick?

ken I going to say this right now this is as good a year as any to double dip @WR. This a very good WR class with some solid guys some I think can contribute from day 1. Remember we have a real OC this time around who will play to his players strengths not their weakness. Here's a player similar to TThornton who Bob Coached in his Rookie year look at his numbers in year 1.

William Fuller V Stats | ESPN

 

[PatsFan2]

Really hope some other Team beats us to D Hopkins.

 

[venecol]

Completely agree there is a problem with the current receivers. I want the Pats to bring in one receiver via trade and draft another in the first 3 rounds. Jacoby does get solid separation imo, but I'm not sure if the team can afford to keep him then extend a good receiver they trade for.

I was just saying separation is hard to measure. The eye test showed the Pats receivers didn't get open well enough this season, I just kind of question the separation metrics.

O'Brien should help with some of the separation issues. I'd expect the team to be able to successfully run rub routes next season instead of having their receivers run into each other. In the end though they need to add receivers that get open and can run with it after the catch.

I was only talking about Parker as it related to separation stats but yea, for the most part the eye test showed our receivers covered.

 

[PatsFan2]

Hunter Renfrow Rumors: Should Patriots Pursue Trade For Raiders Receiver?

Hunter Renfrow reportedly could be available in a trade this offseason. Should the New England Patriots pursue the Raiders receiver?

nesn.com

edit: my own take here - I find it unlikely that if Renfrow or Waller are not “culture fits” with the Raiders, that Belichick would think they’re culture fits here. But we’ll see.

I can't see McDaniels parting with a proven Slot WR wishful thinking.