NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION 2022 NFL Playoff Monday - Wild Card Round - Cow Patties vs the Avocados

[irishfanatic]

You can have it, as a gentleman. Go ahead reply to this and I'll stop.

You can have it, as a gentleman. Go ahead reply to this and I'll stop. I yield the floor.

Good man.

 

[Dingleberry]

I want the last word, d%#*!@t!

Timmy, you are one special guy. Keep up the good fight, our resident Mahomo.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

And yet this moron will constantly complain about me instead of following his own advice to others...

 

[PatsWSB47]

And yet this moron will constantly complain about me instead of following his own advice to others...

Whether or not somebody doesn't always practice what they preach, you earned your troll reputation. Are you surprised people complain?

 

[TBR]

Just further proof that Brady needs good coaching to succeed. Otherwise, why fire Leftwich?

Why did they fire Leftwich? Because he's a load of garbage. No QB wins Super Bowls in spite of garbage coaching.

 

[RIpats88]

Tampa Bay's running game was historically bad this season. By totals or by averages, on 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th down, in the first and second halves, before and after contact, red zone, low red zone, etc. Just REALLY bad.


I've never said coaching is irrelevant. Just the players are more important. Especially the quarterback.

If 2022 and 2021 were similar take with different results doesn't that kind of show that coaching is a big part of it?

I do think though that talent was a part of it. They loaded up that 2020 roster and it was stacked on both sides of the ball. You lose gronk, Antonio brown, those guys on defense and it's going to take a step back. Now Godwin/Evans are shouldering more of the load and defenses have less to worry about.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Now Godwin/Evans are shouldering more of the load and defenses have less to worry about.

In other words, like I said before, in 2021 and 2022 Brady didn't have guys who are wide open to throw to. Gronk, Brown, Evans, and Godwin were a nightmare for defenses to cover. With all four of them, there was always going to be at least 2 guys wide open for an easy pitch and catch for Brady. In 2021 he lost Godwin and Brown and wasn't able to get by the Rams. In 2022, he was left with Godwin and Evans.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

The Bucs offense was top 3 in 2019 with that approach.

Winston threw 35 interceptions that year, try again.

 

[crawhammer]

With all four of them, there was always going to be at least 2 guys wide open for an easy pitch and catch for Brady.

So Brady had a perfect completion percentage? Who won't with "2 guys always wide open"? You sound ridiculous.

Where's your list of the top 5 QBs of all-time??

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Where's your list of the top 5 QBs of all-time??

Don’t worry, Lebron Brady is in my top 3.

 

[crawhammer]

Don’t worry, Lebron Brady is in my top 3.

He was 5th before. What happened? And why don't you just post the list?

LeBron is 4-6 in the NBA finals. Brady is 7-3 in the Super Bowl. The comp doesn't work.

 

[Chevy]

The average thread here at PF

Poster1 - Damn - beer at Gillette is up to $12!

Poster2 - Yeah, but they do have UberCraft now - it's pretty damn good.

Poster1 - I like their pilsner, but their IPA is a bit sour

Poster3 - Yeah, kinda sour like Tom Brady in 2019!

... and there it goes

 

[SHOWTIME15]

LeBron is 4-6 in the NBA finals. Brady is 7-3 in the Super Bowl. The comp doesn't work.

Both have multiple super bowl losses. Jordan and Montana do not. Both are playing well over 20 years. At this point, Lebron, like Brady, is just accumulating stats. Lebron has 4 regular season MVPs and 4 final MVPs, while Brady has 3 regular season MVPs and 5 SB MVPs. The comparison more apt than you think.

Also, at least half of Brady's titles are the result of other teams shooting themselves in the foot (SB 38 - John Casey kicking the ball out of bounds with 1 minute left in the 4th, SB 49 - Seahawks don't hand the ball to Lynch at the goalline, SB 51 - Falcons blow a 28-3 lead, SB 53 - Dee Ford offsides in the AFCCG).

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Winston threw 35 interceptions that year, try again.

please not

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Winston threw 35 interceptions that year, try again.

and? they were still a top 3 offense, which meant they were pretty good.

 

[crawhammer]

Also, at least half of Brady's titles are the result of other teams shooting themselves in the foot (SB 38 - John Casey kicking the ball out of bounds with 1 minute left in the 4th, SB 49 - Seahawks don't hand the ball to Lynch at the goalline, SB 51 - Falcons blow a 28-3 lead, SB 53 - Dee Ford offsides in the AFCCG).

Oh for Christ's sake Bill's "big moment" only resulted from a missed FG. You tell me the next time any team plays a perfect game. Mahomes has his 1 Super Bowl because Garoppolo couldn't hit a wide open WR right down the middle of the field. Peyton only has his second ring because superman Cam played like Lois Lane in the SB. Do you want me to continue?

Both have multiple super bowl losses. Jordan and Montana do not. Both are playing well over 20 years. At this point, Lebron, like Brady, is just accumulating stats. Lebron has 4 regular season MVPs and 4 final MVPs, while Brady has 3 regular season MVPs and 5 SB MVPs. The comparison more apt than you think.

Other than you, everyone considers Brady the greatest quarterback in the history of the league and most consider him the greatest player in the history of the league. Can the same be said for LeBron? No.

And there's a massive difference between 4-6 and 7-3. If Brady was 4-6 then a lot more clowns like you would still be arguing Montana is the GOAT.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Oh for Christ's sake Bill's "big moment" only resulted from a missed FG. You tell me the next time any team plays a perfect game. Mahomes has his 1 Super Bowl because Garoppolo couldn't hit a wide open WR right down the middle of the field. Peyton only has his second ring because superman Cam played like Lois Lane in the SB. Do you want me to continue?

What does Bill, Mahomes, or Peyton have to do with my argument? Montana and Aikman are a few examples of QBs who did not have to rely on the other team to win any of their super bowls.

Other than you, everyone considers Brady the greatest quarterback in the history of the league and most consider him the greatest player in the history of the league. Can the same be said for LeBron? No.

No, many people consider Lebron to be the GOAT. Many also consider Jordan as the GOAT. And not everyone thinks Brady is the greatest.

And there's a massive difference between 4-6 and 7-3. If Brady was 4-6 then a lot more clowns like you would still be arguing Montana is the GOAT.

Montana was the superior super bowl quarterback - you can see my signature for proof. DId Brady ever have a playoff run like Montana did in 1989 when he threw for 10 touchdowns, 0 INTs and demolished all his opponents? DIdn't think so.

 

[venecol]

So let me get this straight. Brady is the only QB that needs weapons to excel in the NFL? Lol

Mahomes: Kelce-Hill-Watkins-Williams ('19 SB)

Stafford: Kupp-OBJ-Jefferson-Henderson ('21 SB)

Burrow: Chase-Higgins-Boyd-Mixon

Allen: Diggs-Davis-Knox-Singletary

Hurst: Brown-Smith-Goedert-Sanders

Cousins: Jefferson-Thielen-Hockenson-Cook

Herbert: Allen-Williams-Everett-Ekler

Confirmed, only Tom Brady needs weapons to win games.

What a moronic lazy AF take.

 

[crawhammer]

What does Bill, Mahomes, or Peyton have to do with my argument? Montana and Aikman are a few examples of QBs who did not have to rely on the other team to win any of their super bowls.

Oh I see, let's ignore anyone who compromises your anti-Brady narrative.

Aikman? He's #2 on your all-time list? Is that where you're going with this?

No, many people consider Lebron to be the GOAT. Many also consider Jordan as the GOAT. And not everyone thinks Brady is the greatest.

Jordan is obviously the NBA GOAT. And yes, everyone thinks Brady is the GOAT QB. And most, I didn't say everyone, think Brady is the NFL GOAT.

Montana was the superior super bowl quarterback - you can see my signature for proof. DId Brady ever have a playoff run like Montana did in 1989 when he threw for 10 touchdowns, 0 INTs and demolished all his opponents? DIdn't think so.

If you're strictly debating Super Bowl performances then at least you can engage in an argument there. They're no debating who's the GOAT QB of the NFL.

 

[crawhammer]

Cousins: Jefferson-Thielen-Hockenson-Cook

This is off topic but Cousins, this clown, I'm all done with him after that 3-yard pass on 4th-8. His NFL career in a nutshell.