Cole Strange - a nice breakdown

[Sciz]

Some are suggesting that Seam McVay come to NE as the OC.

They should read articles instead of headlines, because the only two options on the table right now are that he coaches the Rams or he doesn’t coach at all (probably going into TV work).

 

[Ollie]

Some are suggesting that Seam McVay come to NE as the OC.

The same guy who laughed at BB for taking Cole Strange in the 1st round. I sincerely doubt that BB would give McVay the time of day.

If you believe Mcvay they were laughing at themselves for believing he would be available later in the draft

 

[Ollie]

People trying to defend this Strange pick are bending themselves into pretzels. Like I said the moment he was drafted, even if he turns out to be John Hannah, his play is just not going to move the needle. He is not going to make a game changing play; he is not going to make a big play at a big time.

The best you can hope for is that he doesn't screw up. Given the fact that he was benched several times during the year, I would say he did just that.

The Pats owned the 21st pick and could have used it to get a playmaker. The Pats are almost completely devoid of stars. The difference between Strange and any other guard drafted in any round is negligible. They got a 3rd (sub traded will end up being a 3rd in 2023) and a 4th rd pick (jack Jones) to move down to 28, not exactly a great haul, especially if Jack Jones ends up not being on the team in 2023.

The Pats could have drafted a number of defensive standouts Quay Walker, Devin Lloyd, Devonte Wyatt or CB McDuffie or Elam.

The drafting of Thorton when Pickens was still on the board is criminal and will haunt the Pats for years.

BB would be better just drafting the highest ranked Alabama or Georgia player on the board than his "I'm going to draft someone nobody has ever heard of because I'm smarter than you" strategy. It would have looked like this

21. Quay Walker
50. George Pickens

Go ahead and play your game in the later rounds but reaching in the first and second round has caused so many misses over the years it has become intolerable!

Good linemen are hard to find in the league at the moment hence many were taken in the first round last year. It might not excite you but a good line is essential and without it all the playmakers in the world will not help.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

The Pats won two SB with Russ Hochstein and zero with Logan Mankins.

Again, it just doesn't make that big of a difference. Talent and playmakers at the skill positions is what the Pats needed.

 

[captain stone]

Whenever I see Strange69, I think of George Karlaftis.

 

[captain stone]

If you believe Mcvay they were laughing at themselves for believing he would be available later in the draft

No, they were laughing at Little Billy & Al Groh's kid... and deservedly so.

 

[borisman]

I've been quietly hoping the pats would take a top center in the draft for a bit now.

The name you'll be quietly hoping for this year is John Michael Schmitz

 

[Ollie]

No, they were laughing at Little Billy & Al Groh's kid... and deservedly so.

Tbh having listened to it i see it differently but i think it's not definitive so you can see what you want to see in it.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Whenever I see Strange69, I think of George Karlaftis.

I believe this. Your personality wants to feel regret. You chose to be that way, others chose to live life a different way.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yes we did but for different reasons. Everyone agreed Mankins was a stud but back then a guard in round 1 was frowned upon league wide. Things have changed since then where now elite guard talent is taken in the first.

The issue is Strange was not considered a 1st or 2nd round pick, we traded a really good guard with a reasonable contract for a 4th and we have much bigger needs.

First, up until about 8 years ago, the Patriots didn't take college guards in the draft at all. If they wanted a guard, they generally drafted a tackle and moved him inside, as they did with Mankins.

Second, "he should've gone in the third round because that's where mock drafters had him going" is rather odd logic.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

The name you'll be quietly hoping for this year is John Michael Schmitz

I've been checking him out. I like what I see

 

[State]

I think part of the reason Strange 69 was drafted almost impulsively is the bad taste from a handful of years ago when guard Trai Turner, a player the Patriots were ready to draft, was taken the selection just before ours by the Panthers. This caused us to trade out of the spot since our guy was gone.

 

[captain stone]

I think part of the reason Strange 69 was drafted almost impulsively is the bad taste from a handful of years ago when guard Trai Turner, a player the Patriots were ready to draft, was taken the selection just before ours by the Panthers. This caused us to trade out of the spot since our guy was gone.

More likely than not the main impetus for drafting him came from the shaky production at the LG position in 2021, the year after Thuney was allowed to sign with the Queefs. They first thought/hoped that Onwenu could play LG as well as he played RG the year before; but that thought/hope was proven to not hold water. That realization might then have become the impetus to trade Mason, because RG was clearly Onwenu's best position.

 

[Patsgofor4]

I think part of the reason Strange 69 was drafted almost impulsively is the bad taste from a handful of years ago when guard Trai Turner, a player the Patriots were ready to draft, was taken the selection just before ours by the Panthers. This caused us to trade out of the spot since our guy was gone.

“was drafted almost impulsively”? What are you talking about? There is ample evidence to the contrary.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yes we did but for different reasons. Everyone agreed Mankins was a stud but back then a guard in round 1 was frowned upon league wide. Things have changed since then where now elite guard talent is taken in the first.

The issue is Strange was not considered a 1st or 2nd round pick, we traded a really good guard with a reasonable contract for a 4th and we have much bigger needs.

TBF the issue was letting Karras walk. Onwenu has been an upgrade over Mason.

 

[Wozzy]

Cole Strange played great down the stretch, he'll be a quality starter for years assuming health.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes we did but for different reasons. Everyone agreed Mankins was a stud but back then a guard in round 1 was frowned upon league wide. Things have changed since then where now elite guard talent is taken in the first.

The issue is Strange was not considered a 1st or 2nd round pick, we traded a really good guard with a reasonable contract for a 4th and we have much bigger needs.

Wrong. The scouting PUNDITS supposedly didn't consider Strange to be a 1st/2nd round pick. The TEAMS however, DID. It came out that 7-10 teams had Strange as a 1st/2nd round pick. Strange was guaranteed to be off the board by the 10th pick of the 2nd round. That information came out after he was drafted. Teams like the Bucs, Titans, Seahawks and Vikings.

We traded a guard who WAS good (he was just above average this year) and inserted a better guard (top 4) into his place in Onwenu.

 

[DaBruinz]

TBF the issue was letting Karras walk. Onwenu has been an upgrade over Mason.

I knew that he Pats weren't going to pay Karras. He wanted to be a starter and they didn't have that available. So he signed with a team where they had need at 3 different spots. Karras moved from Guard to Center for the Bengals.

The Pats were never going to pay Karras 6+M to sit on the bench. And there was no way he was going to be a started.

A bigger question to ask is why did the Pats figure that trading Mason was better than trying to move him to LG with Onwenu at RG. What happened to sour that relationship that the Pats felt looking at a draft pick for LG was a better option?

 

[irishfanatic]

I think part of the reason Strange 69 was drafted almost impulsively is the bad taste from a handful of years ago when guard Trai Turner, a player the Patriots were ready to draft, was taken the selection just before ours by the Panthers. This caused us to trade out of the spot since our guy was gone.

Would you care to expand on "almost impulsively " because if you are going to reply that the pick was made because of the supposed reasoning you gave in your "post" then you are clueless, or if not clueless, just hell bent on negative takes.