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[p8ryts]

Solid as in solid dealing with the age gap by proxy. Steve calls the plays but it's understood that Mayo does the majority of the game planning. It's a bit unusual but not unheard of. Some people can be great game planners but terrible play callers.

I'm not saying Mayo is a terrible play caller, because I have no evidence one way or the other. But that has been an issue for some coaches in the past.

But how do we know that Mayo does the majority of the game planning?

 

[RobertWeathers]

But how do we know that Mayo does the majority of the game planning?

We don't but i'm pretty damn sure BB is imparting his wisdom to BB Jr more than Mayo.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

We don't but i'm pretty damn sure BB is imparting his wisdom to BB Jr more than Mayo.

From what I remember BB Jr runs the Xs and Os and Mayo runs the meetings

 

[Pats1971]

I think all that means is even Brady couldn't do **** with the lack of wideouts this team has been fielding for 5 years.

The wideouts the pats had this year was night and day better than 2019, with that said if Mac went 12-4 this year had 24 td's 8 ints and 4000 yards passing like Brady did in 2019, fans would be throwing a parade.

 

[Pats1971]

What we have is people pointing out FACT. Something that you're allergic to.
Even @patfanken mentioned how horrible the officiating was in a couple of games. When someone like him is pointing it out, you should probably take notice.

But feel free to mute the thread and let others talk if you don't like reality.

Every team has the same officating. Like someone said, pats fans used to laugh at fans crying about refs. I guess if your team is actually good, you dont have to do that.

 

[Pats1971]

Oh, please. We *****ed about the referees back then too. This year has been particularly egregious and you can’t argue against that.

Refs dont cost you games, crying about refs is one thing, saying refs are the reason you had a bad season is another.

 

[ahmed]

Not sure how Bill or anyone else can make a fair evaluation when Mac basically was setup to fail with a tumultuous Patricia running the offense. I believe the Mac we seen in his rookie year is the real Mac, give him a line and a legitimate OC in his 3rd year and a true 1 WR, then I’ll make a judgement. I just don’t think he was given much of a chance to succeed this year, Bill failed the entire team, not just the offense.

I get that he got a raw deal this year but still possible to evaluate him with those limitations in mind. Ball velocity, decision making, pocket awareness and movement, leadership, ability to run comeback drives in the 4th - all things he is lacking in.

 

[mgcolby]

But how do we know that Mayo does the majority of the game planning?

All we can go by is the reports that have come out. Could be BS who knows. But I know who's name is floated as a HC candidate and who's name has not.

I have no real bias one way or the other. Was just tossing out a potential solution to a perceived problem.

 

[RobertWeathers]

From what I remember BB Jr runs the Xs and Os and Mayo runs the meetings

I think that is right.

 

[State]

I remember during the Cam year that when people were asking why Stidham wasn’t playing

Is anyone else of the thought the Stidham Experiment never happened, it should have happened when it became obvious Cam could do everything really well except throw the ball, and the Stidham guy was essentially given away to the Raiders.

I think it was for a sixth-rounder.

How is that doing what’s best for the team? This strikes me as Rich Kotite-like.

 

[signbabybrady]

So in short, he didn't believe Brady would provide 25 million a year level quarterbacking for 3 more years at his age. Which is exactly what I said. Actually, it's worse than what I said because Bill would be paying him "okay established starting QB" money for 2020, 2021 and 2022, not top tier QB money, so he didn't think he'd be able to provide even that.

Key difference in what you said and what I said. You said after 2019 and I'm talking about before 2018 and before 2019. There are mixed reports on if Bill ever even got another chance after 2019. There was a meeting with Kraft where Brady said goodbye.

 

[State]

From what I remember BB Jr runs the Xs and Os and Mayo runs the meetings

Stevie probably knows X’s and O’s on a very high level. But that still doesn’t help when he has a weakness dealing with the players. He certainly isn’t respected like a Mayo. This new generation needs that.

They don’t automatically respect authority, whether it be teachers, cops, or coaches’ sons.

And, just between you and me, Stevie has a face made for punching.

I think the chances are better than fifty percent that the Krafts don’t want to lose Mayo. Defense is the only thing that worked this year.

And it would frost my billionaire heart to think my employee is using my business to further his personal agenda AT THE EXPENSE OF MY BLEEPIN COMPANY.

 

[signbabybrady]

Stevie probably knows X’s and O’s on a very high level. But that still doesn’t help when he has a weakness dealing with the players. He certainly isn’t respected like a Mayo. This new generation needs that.

They don’t automatically respect authority, whether it be teachers, cops, or coaches’ sons.

And, just between you and me, Stevie has a face made for punching.

I think the chances are better than fifty percent that the Krafts don’t want to lose Mayo. Defense is the only thing that worked this year.

And it would frost my billionaire heart to think my employee is using my business to further his personal agenda AT THE EXPENSE OF MY BLEEPIN COMPANY.

What evidence do you have that Steve has a weakness dealing with players? He's been a coach in some capacity since 2012 and this is the first I am hearing this.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I get that he got a raw deal this year but still possible to evaluate him with those limitations in mind. Ball velocity, decision making, pocket awareness and movement, leadership, ability to run comeback drives in the 4th - all things he is lacking in.

Its tough to have things like good pocket presence and decision making when you don’t trust your wr or ol. Remember most of the year in addition to poor playcalling the ol was a disaster and often times wrs weren’t even looking back at mac when they should be or the routes being run were just bad.

When the protection improved the last couple weeks mac played fine. He moved much better in the pocket and made some big throws under pressure rather than just panic like he was doing earlier. He may not be the guy, I honestly don’t know what to think of him at this point. But imo there was too much wrong with this offense to truly evaluate the qb.

 

[Rob0729]

Bedard made a good point in his latest podcast. The best this offense looked all year was the first half of the Bills' game where the Patricia ran the McDaniels' offense. And Mac Jones was drafted specifically because he fit perfectly the Patriots' style of offense that was being run under McDaniels. This goes to what Mike Reiss said he heard about the Patricia devising an offense geared to attack opponents without Jones' strengths and weaknesses in mind while devising the offense.

This may be why O'Brien is the best option for this team. This offense is built for the Ehrhardt/Perkins offense, not the West Coast/Shanahan Offense. Either they need a OC who can run the former or they need to totally revamp the personnel on offense to fit the latter. It is easier to get get the OC than totally revamping the personnel on offense.

 

[RodThePat]

Key difference in what you said and what I said. You said after 2019 and I'm talking about before 2018 and before 2019. There are mixed reports on if Bill ever even got another chance after 2019. There was a meeting with Kraft where Brady said goodbye.

Brady was under contract in 2019, so any extension would have taken into account an evaluation of his post 2019 performance, no matter if the contract was signed after the 2018 season, before the 2019 season, after the 2019 season or in 1995.

 

[Ross12]

Bedard made a good point in his latest podcast. The best this offense looked all year was the first half of the Bills' game where the Patricia ran the McDaniels' offense. And Mac Jones was drafted specifically because he fit perfectly the Patriots' style of offense that was being run under McDaniels. This goes to what Mike Reiss said he heard about the Patricia devising an offense geared to attack opponents without Jones' strengths and weaknesses in mind while devising the offense.

This may be why O'Brien is the best option for this team. This offense is built for the Ehrhardt/Perkins offense, not the West Coast/Shanahan Offense. Either they need a OC who can run the former or they need to totally revamp the personnel on offense to fit the latter. It is easier to get get the OC than totally revamping the personnel on offense.

The former is easier, but is the latter ultimately more effective if it can be achieved?

 

[Love The Drake]

I’m terrified Robert is going to let Patricia keep power.

 

[Rob0729]

The former is easier, but is the latter ultimately more effective if it can be achieved?

The problem is they will probably have to revamp the entire o-line, most of the receiver corp, the QB, and possibly the RBs. They would probably have to get something like 7-9 new starters. And I am not sure a system change guarantees any better results.

 

[DaBruinz]

Every team has the same officating. Like someone said, pats fans used to laugh at fans crying about refs. I guess if your team is actually good, you dont have to do that.

You can't be that obtuse, can you?
No, the officiating isn't the same. claiming otherwise says you aren't paying attention to the games.
And, like I said, when people like @patfanken who normally takes the stance of not complaining about the officiating starts complaining about the officiating there is a HUGE issue.