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[Rob0729]

I saw more good things from Belichick this year than I saw from Mac Jones.

I saw far worse things from Belichick than I did for Mac Jones. Putting Patricia in charge of the offense is the equivalent of Mac Jones taking his first snap every game and tossing the ball into his own end zone guaranteeing either a safety or opposing TD on the first play of every game.

 

[Rob0729]

Caley can only go to Vegas if:
1) He's offered a promotion
2) his contract is up.

Are you saying that Vegas is going to make Caley their OC? Or are you saying his contract is up?

According to multiple reports his contract is up.

And there are other reports that when the Pats blocked him from going to Las Vegas last year they tried to give him a new deal, but he turned them down because they wouldn't give him any commitments that he would become the OC either this past year or in the near future.

 

[archstanton543]

When did you meet Matt Patricia?

I know the type.

And you can glean a lot of from the comments from his ex-players and his Lions press conferences (e.g. - telling reporters to sit up straight).

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Free Agents:
Nelson Agohlor - WR in the words of nsync, BYE BYE BYE. So overpaid, shows no effort, never makes any splash plays, and even made some dumb mistakes you would never expect from a veteran. Total waste of $15m/year.

Devin McCourty - S A true patriot thru and thru... going to miss this guy a lot, he's been a pillar on the defense as an elite player and leader for over a decade.. but he'll be retiring and hanging them up. So much respect for this guy, we're going to miss him a lot

Jonathan Jones * - CB Hope we can retain him, but he could go the way of JC Jackson with someone offering him true CB1 money

Jakobi Meyers * - WR I think we should give him a bunch of Agholors money, around $12-13 million a year.. he's a solid #2 WR, but someone may pay him like a WR1, or just want to overpay him in general and that would be a mistake.. hes a solid, reliable WR but hes not a game wrecker that deserves top money

Isaiah Wynn - OL bye bye buddy.. huge disappointment for a 1st round pick. Only way i could see him staying is as a backup (swing tackle?), but someone may pay him to be more than that

Matthew Slater - ST Another great team captain, but its time for him to retire. BB may need to completely rethink his highly paid ST strategy after this years performance... having 5-6 full timers that are paid well to be on ST was already a controversial strategy since the kickoff has virtually been eliminated.. but now with an old aging kicker and a practice squad punter that cant even do kickoffs, ST has become our achilles heel and is the biggest reason for our week 18 loss to the Bills (2 kickoff returns for a TD... so disgusting... )

Cody Davis - ST A special teamer... none of the special teamers are on my good list right now, so i dont really care what happens to them at this point

Jabrill Peppers * - LB/S He's been fairly solid for us in the roles he plays, and contributes on ST. This is the kind of ST guy i can get behind, someone that also contributes on defense regularly.. may need him to contribute a lot more with McCourty retiring

Marcus Cannon - OT Not sure this guyh really has much left.. cant see him coming back as more than a backup on the Oline, but withn his injury history, etc.. may be time to explore different options

JoeJuan Williams - DB total bust.. good luck in free agency, likely going to be a career STer or something

Carl Davis - DL Dont know much about this guy, dont think hes going to be much of an impact either way

Daniel Ekuale * - DL He started to show some promise, hopefully they can keep him around

Michael Palardy - P no excuse for this guy to be anywhere near this stadium in offseason... If Jake Bailey has a long term issue, then they need to draft a new punter that can actually do kickoffs. It amazes me that this guy couldnt kick the ball off of a tee into the back of the endzone... hes been totally inconsistent as a punter as well... a total JAG

Raekwon McMillan * - LB underwhelming LBer, was supposed to provide us that speed we needed but never manifested into anything. Could see him back on a middle class, backup salary.

Joe Cardona * - LS unless his injury was severe, i see him coming back and continuing to be our LS for the foreseeable future

Conor McDermott * - OT He was like our 5th RT option, and he played respectably in that role. I could see him earning a spot on the right side, or possible as swing tackle on the team

James Ferentz - OG We should be able to upgrade this backup position in FA/Draft

Damien Harris - RB Got paid to ice up in the tub for most of the season... Great RB when healthy, but not someone you pay free agent money to. He'll be gone to some other team who pays him. He wont break the bank, but the Pats simply dont need his services anymore with Rham, Strong and Harris. Im sure they'll bring in another veteran FA and maybe another draft pick, but they arent paying Damien Harris free agent money with his injury history

Yodny Cajuste - OL Barely got to see this guy play, dont have an opinion one way or another on him.. hopefuly can be in for camp to generate competition

Myles Bryant - DB Get this mfer OUT OF HERE... if i have to watch this guy get burnt like toast on defense, or bounce off of small return man trying to make a tackle on special teams, ill stroke out. Myles Bryant, the man that was ALMOST THERE but not quite

Kristian Wilkerson - WR meh

Mack Wilson * - LB Wilson was a solid contributor to our LBers, hopefully he can be brought back

Quinn Nordin - K maybe a camp leg to see if hes improved his accuracy.. Folk has been a godsend for us that we lucked into, but he's old and has a weak ass leg, and that needs to be addressed

Scotty Washington * - TE a jag, dont care what happens with this guy

LaBryan Ray * - DL who?

 

[DaBruinz]

He has in the past a few times. Usually bringing people back. I mean he brought McDaniels in almost immediately after he was fired in Denver. I believe he hired Matty P pretty quick after being fired. I think he came to an agrreement with whaterver his name is the old Rutgers coach pretty quick even though he ended up not coming on board. I don't remember the Judge hiring timeline. And I could be wrong on Rutgers too.

But those were people he knew very well or worked with previously. We have not seen him hire an outsider for any coordinator job. If he chooses to go outside his staff for OC (which I hope, he does) he makes it happen quick. Not a fan of BoB and I think Reich (my preference) may end up with a HC gig. So, if he targets someone like that, he may have to wait for the HC carousal to stop spinning.

After McDaniels was fired by Denver, he went to the Rams. He spent a year as the Rams OC then was allowed to walk after Spagnuolo was fired as the Rams HC. It was only then that McDaniels was rehired.

Patricia was fired on Nov 29th, 2020. He was rehired by the Pats on Jan 22, 2021. After they were eliminated by the Bills.

Schiano was supposedly hired on Feb 6th 2019. He "resigned" on March 28th, 2019.

I believe that both Pees and BOB were brought in with the intention of making them coordinators though they had to "earn their stripes"

Even if the Pats give Caley the play-calling, they NEED a better O-line coach than Patricia.

 

[upstater1]

Scar was a legendary OL coach. A lot of that was him. They tried to bring in Googs for a year and then begged Scar to come back out of retirement.

That said, having a real, dedicated OL coach rather than Phat Matt multitasking will help.

Scar was great, Belichick is great, and Brady made the OL look a lot better than it was.

There are players all over the NL who owe the 3 of them a great deal of money. I mean, Donald Thomas signed a pretty nice contract when he left New England. The guy looked like an Al-Pro on our line.

I'd say it's underestimated how Brady made his OL look so good. When you know your QB can get the ball out quickly, can step up into the pocket, can move around the pocket, it makes your job so much easier. You can set in a relatively confined space. You could throw Thomas and Russ Hochstein in in front of Brady and you'd have a good OLine. But you couldn't throw Marshall Newhouse out there. Even Brady couldn't help with that.

 

[Triumph]

I know the type.

And you can glean a lot of from the comments from his ex-players and his Lions press conferences (e.g. - telling reporters to sit up straight).

Nobody here has ever met Matt Patricia in person and therefore they know basically nothing about his people skills or personality.

How does anyone here know that the thing with Bourne did not come per order of BB?

 

[mgcolby]

After McDaniels was fired by Denver, he went to the Rams. He spent a year as the Rams OC then was allowed to walk after Spagnuolo was fired as the Rams HC. It was only then that McDaniels was rehired.

Patricia was fired on Nov 29th, 2020. He was rehired by the Pats on Jan 22, 2021. After they were eliminated by the Bills.

Schiano was supposedly hired on Feb 6th 2019. He "resigned" on March 28th, 2019.

I believe that both Pees and BOB were brought in with the intention of making them coordinators though they had to "earn their stripes"

Even if the Pats give Caley the play-calling, they NEED a better O-line coach than Patricia.

Wow I forgot about McDaniels going to the Rams. I just remember him coming on during the playoffs or something. Memory ain't what it used to be I guess.

 

[archstanton543]

Michael Palardy - P no excuse for this guy to be anywhere near this stadium in offseason... If Jake Bailey has a long term issue, then they need to draft a new punter that can actually do kickoffs. It amazes me that this guy couldnt kick the ball off of a tee into the back of the endzone... hes been totally inconsistent as a punter as well... a total JAG

Why don't we draft a kicker to do the kickoffs instead of getting a punter to do it?

 

[DaBruinz]

Free Agents:
Nelson Agohlor - WR in the words of nsync, BYE BYE BYE. So overpaid, shows no effort, never makes any splash plays, and even made some dumb mistakes you would never expect from a veteran. Total waste of $15m/year.

Devin McCourty - S A true patriot thru and thru... going to miss this guy a lot, he's been a pillar on the defense as an elite player and leader for over a decade.. but he'll be retiring and hanging them up. So much respect for this guy, we're going to miss him a lot

Jonathan Jones * - CB Hope we can retain him, but he could go the way of JC Jackson with someone offering him true CB1 money

Jakobi Meyers * - WR I think we should give him a bunch of Agholors money, around $12-13 million a year.. he's a solid #2 WR, but someone may pay him like a WR1, or just want to overpay him in general and that would be a mistake.. hes a solid, reliable WR but hes not a game wrecker that deserves top money

Isaiah Wynn - OL bye bye buddy.. huge disappointment for a 1st round pick. Only way i could see him staying is as a backup (swing tackle?), but someone may pay him to be more than that

Matthew Slater - ST Another great team captain, but its time for him to retire. BB may need to completely rethink his highly paid ST strategy after this years performance... having 5-6 full timers that are paid well to be on ST was already a controversial strategy since the kickoff has virtually been eliminated.. but now with an old aging kicker and a practice squad punter that cant even do kickoffs, ST has become our achilles heel and is the biggest reason for our week 18 loss to the Bills (2 kickoff returns for a TD... so disgusting... )

Cody Davis - ST A special teamer... none of the special teamers are on my good list right now, so i dont really care what happens to them at this point

Jabrill Peppers * - LB/S He's been fairly solid for us in the roles he plays, and contributes on ST. This is the kind of ST guy i can get behind, someone that also contributes on defense regularly.. may need him to contribute a lot more with McCourty retiring

Marcus Cannon - OT Not sure this guyh really has much left.. cant see him coming back as more than a backup on the Oline, but withn his injury history, etc.. may be time to explore different options

JoeJuan Williams - DB total bust.. good luck in free agency, likely going to be a career STer or something

Carl Davis - DL Dont know much about this guy, dont think hes going to be much of an impact either way

Daniel Ekuale * - DL He started to show some promise, hopefully they can keep him around

Michael Palardy - P no excuse for this guy to be anywhere near this stadium in offseason... If Jake Bailey has a long term issue, then they need to draft a new punter that can actually do kickoffs. It amazes me that this guy couldnt kick the ball off of a tee into the back of the endzone... hes been totally inconsistent as a punter as well... a total JAG

Raekwon McMillan * - LB underwhelming LBer, was supposed to provide us that speed we needed but never manifested into anything. Could see him back on a middle class, backup salary.

Joe Cardona * - LS unless his injury was severe, i see him coming back and continuing to be our LS for the foreseeable future

Conor McDermott * - OT He was like our 5th RT option, and he played respectably in that role. I could see him earning a spot on the right side, or possible as swing tackle on the team

James Ferentz - OG We should be able to upgrade this backup position in FA/Draft

Damien Harris - RB Got paid to ice up in the tub for most of the season... Great RB when healthy, but not someone you pay free agent money to. He'll be gone to some other team who pays him. He wont break the bank, but the Pats simply dont need his services anymore with Rham, Strong and Harris. Im sure they'll bring in another veteran FA and maybe another draft pick, but they arent paying Damien Harris free agent money with his injury history

Yodny Cajuste - OL Barely got to see this guy play, dont have an opinion one way or another on him.. hopefuly can be in for camp to generate competition

Myles Bryant - DB Get this mfer OUT OF HERE... if i have to watch this guy get burnt like toast on defense, or bounce off of small return man trying to make a tackle on special teams, ill stroke out. Myles Bryant, the man that was ALMOST THERE but not quite

Kristian Wilkerson - WR meh

Mack Wilson * - LB Wilson was a solid contributor to our LBers, hopefully he can be brought back

Quinn Nordin - K maybe a camp leg to see if hes improved his accuracy.. Folk has been a godsend for us that we lucked into, but he's old and has a weak ass leg, and that needs to be addressed

Scotty Washington * - TE a jag, dont care what happens with this guy

LaBryan Ray * - DL who?

Cody Davis was injured most of the year. He's been one of the Pats TOP STs players. But he is 33 now and coming off knee-surgery.

LaBryan Ray is a UDFA. Many thought he may have played his way onto the squad at TC. He ended up on the PS and got injured.

 

[DaBruinz]

Wow I forgot about McDaniels going to the Rams. I just remember him coming on during the playoffs or something. Memory ain't what it used to be I guess.

I had to confirm the dates, but I remembered him going to the Rams.. Many thought that he and Spagnuolo would be a great tandem. They got canned because of poor player choices by the front office.

 

[archstanton543]

Nobody here has ever met Matt Patricia in person and therefore they know basically nothing about his people skills or personality.

How does anyone here know that the thing with Bourne did not come per order of BB?

I never mentioned Bourne.

I've met plenty of engineers in my line of work. The vast majority of them have no or very little people skills (which is fine because they're wicked smaht and offer value in that). It's a reasonable assumption based on my experience and what others have said about him and his own actions (which I provided an example of earlier).

 

[upstater1]

I saw far worse things from Belichick than I did for Mac Jones. Putting Patricia in charge of the offense is the equivalent of Mac Jones taking his first snap every game and tossing the ball into his own end zone guaranteeing either a safety or opposing TD on the first play of every game.

With the amount of talent on the field, they actually performed where you'd expect. Without 2 egregious calls by the refs, they would be 10-7. HCs get judged by the team record. They are responsible for all 3 phases, so you give him an overall grade.

Mac on the other hand performed toward the bottom of the league. He is a big concern. I would be much more optimistic about Belichick coaching an 11-6 team in the near future than I would be about Mac leading a team to a 11-6 record (and I know this makes no sense because Mac is Belichick's QB). I have more faith in BB than I do in Mac. Even yesterday Mac really missed on some throws (plenty of time in pocket, he throws to Tyquan instead of a wide open Henry; very late on the throw over the middle to Bourne, big opportunity for YAC lost).

I have very high confidence in Mac making accurate throws downfield. But very low confidence in him being able to scan the field even when he has plenty of time.

 

[JackBauer]

With the amount of talent on the field, they actually performed where you'd expect.

I disagree. On offense, they underperformed across the board, save for Rham. I'm not sure how you could be more concerned with Mac when it was BB's lousy personnel decisions that contributed to Mac playing as poorly as he did.

 

[upstater1]

Who decided to put Wynn at RT when he expected to be LT, leading him to sulk? Who put Brown at LT when he was being paid as RT, leading him to mail it in? Not absolving the players but MP seems not to think of players as people, just interchangeable parts. Cf. DET. Maybe he played too much SIMS as a kid?

What I want to know is who started this logic? Paid like an RT? What does that even mean? The fact is that Trent Brown had much more success as an LT than he did as an RT last season.

I'm not sure what "paid as" even means in this context. Last time he played LT for us, he was paid even less and he played well.

 

[DaBruinz]

Who decided to put Wynn at RT when he expected to be LT, leading him to sulk? Who put Brown at LT when he was being paid as RT, leading him to mail it in? Not absolving the players but MP seems not to think of players as people, just interchangeable parts. Cf. DET. Maybe he played too much SIMS as a kid?

I don't believe that Trent Brown "mailed it in". I do believe that it was his typical UP/Down cycle. One can only hope that his ego gets to him since he's currently regarded as one of the worst LTs in the league after having been one of the best a few years back.

 

[upstater1]

I disagree. On offense, they underperformed across the board, save for Rham. I'm not sure how you could be more concerned with Mac when it was BB's lousy personnel decisions that contributed to Mac playing as poorly as he did.

I'm talking about overall.

 

[borg]

What we know......

Miss a rehab appointment: Get suspended from team and lose paychecks

Coach abysmal Offense, OL, and special teams: Maintain Friends & Family job security


Heads need to roll.....NOW

 

[JackBauer]

I'm talking about overall.

Yes...overall, BB had a worse season than Mac based on MP/JJ alone. The team never even had a chance.

 

[upstater1]

The postmortem of this season from around the NFL are a matter of what have you done for me lately. Big kudos to the Giants and Lions, for instance.

But would anyone be surprised to see these franchises fall back?

It happens every year.

It's really hard to stay consistent.