Patriots Pregame Thread Pre Game Thread - Pats @ Bills

[Steve102]

Let's say they do go the 8 team with a Pats loss on Sunday it doesn't matter what the other teams do? We'd be locked in at the 8th?

I think the Jags and Steelers might be in the mix.

 

[moosekill]

Let's say they do go the 8 team with a Pats loss on Sunday it doesn't matter what the other teams do? We'd be locked in at the 8th?

I don't thinks so, Miami, and Pittsburg are both 8-8 so if they both win they are 9-8 and we are 8-9 so they go ahead of us. I am not sure what happens if we lose and Tennesee wins then we would both be 8-9, but I'm not sure who has the tie breaker, but assume it is Tennesee.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Let's say they do go the 8 team with a Pats loss on Sunday it doesn't matter what the other teams do? We'd be locked in at the 8th?

I mean if the Pats lose and Miami wins, the Dolphins are the 7th seed. If the Pats win, they are in. I am assuming that the Pats would be the 8th seed, but the ESPN playoff machine won't tell us. They'd could be tied with Jax and Pitt though. I'm not sure who has the tie breaker in that scenario

 

[moosekill]

So I think that in this scenario, if we lose, then we need 2 of the three teams to lose, rather than all 3, for us to make the playoffs. Ok, if Tenesee beats Jacksonville then they win their division, and Jacksonville , maybe gets in with a better conference record.

So regardless, we want to win Sunday, but we still want Miami, Pittsburg, and Tenessee to lose, although all three losing wouldn't be a necessity if we go to 8 teams.

 

[jimnance]

We keep adding family members to that little cabal and someone's going to have to host a reunion somewhere warm...Havana maybe?

A glue factory is more appropriate.
Thats where they beat dead horses

 

[ashley]

Good news on Marcus Jones:

 

[Kasmir]

regarding the claim in someone's signature that Joe Montana never took a shotgun snap, it's blatantly false. They were rare, since Bill Walsh hated the shotgun since it affected timing. But they used it when opposing pass rushes were having their way. A few screenshots:

Looking at those TV screen shots I am amazed to remember how bad TV sports looked pre HD...

 

[Ross12]

Let's say they do go the 8 team with a Pats loss on Sunday it doesn't matter what the other teams do? We'd be locked in at the 8th?

Pats could finish as low as the 10th seed. If NE loses, JAX loses, MIA wins and PIT wins, it would be MIA at #7, PIT at #8, JAX at #9 and NE at #10.

Even if only one of MIA and PIT wins, NE would still be out because JAX seeds higher than NE with both losing. It'd be MIA or PIT at #7, JAX at #8 and NE at #9.

JAX has to win which has them taking their division and out of the wild card placement. At that point. NE is at least #8 unless both MIA and PIT both win, then NE is #9.

Basically you need either of these - NE wins and gets #7 seed no matter what, or, NE loses and at least 2 of the following 3 teams also lose: TEN, MIA, PIT. If that occurs then NE would end up at #8 by finishing 8-9.

Interestingly, if TEN loses, MIA loses, and PIT loses, NE would finish as the #7 seed no matter if they win or lose this weekend and the NYJ would take the #8 seed at 8-9 over MIA and PIT.

 

[Patjew]

A glue factory is more appropriate.
Thats where they beat dead horses

Wherever it is, I don't think NEM is going to show up.

 

[jimnance]

We need god against their rushing attack
He has been good, the contract extension makes sense after seeing him this season, smart move

Hear his son is even better

 

[crawhammer]

8th playoff team is a really lame idea in my opinion. 7 teams is already one too many. The NFL will end up compromising the competitive integrity of the season. How many teams already quit on the season thinking they had no shot (or a slim chance) to get in as the 7th seed? Then now suddenly there's an 8th spot. Pretty sure this would bring the Jets back into the equation. I know for sure if NWE wins then they're in. If NWE loses then MIA and PIT would get in with wins. Beyond that who the hell knows?

An 8th also screws over the #1 seed... having to play what will likely be an entirely uncompetitive blowout of an undeserving team.
This also creates an advantage for the NFC if an 8th playoff team isn't added there. Potentially their SB representative will have only played two games. The NFC already has too many subpar teams getting into the postseason... no they're potentially adding another? The Commanders literally can't figure out which of their lousy quarterbacks to start for week 18 and yet now they're possibly back in the playoff fold. What a mess.

 

[Steve102]

Pats could finish as low as the 10th seed. If NE loses, JAX loses, MIA wins and PIT wins, it would be MIA at #7, PIT at #8, JAX at #9 and NE at #10.

Even if only one of MIA and PIT wins, NE would still be out because JAX seeds higher than NE with both losing. It'd be MIA or PIT at #7, JAX at #8 and NE at #9.

JAX has to win which has them taking their division and out of the wild card placement. At that point. NE is at least #8 unless both MIA and PIT both win, then NE is #9.

Basically you need either of these - NE wins and gets #7 seed no matter what, or, NE loses and at least 2 of the following 3 teams also lose: TEN, MIA, PIT. If that occurs then NE would end up at #8 by finishing 8-9.

Interestingly, if TEN loses, MIA loses, and PIT loses, NE would finish as the #7 seed no matter if they win or lose this weekend and the NYJ would take the #8 seed at 8-9 over MIA and PIT.

Ha. you said Jete and playoffs in the same post.

 

[moosekill]

8th playoff team is a really lame idea in my opinion. 7 teams is already one too many. The NFL will end up compromising the competitive integrity of the season. How many teams already quit on the season thinking they had no shot (or a slim chance) to get in as the 7th seed? Then now suddenly there's an 8th spot. Pretty sure this would bring the Jets back into the equation. I know for sure if NWE wins then they're in. If NWE loses then MIA and PIT would get in with wins. Beyond that who the hell knows?

An 8th also screws over the #1 seed... having to play what will likely be an entirely uncompetitive blowout of an undeserving team.
This also creates an advantage for the NFC if an 8th playoff team isn't added there. Potentially their SB representative will have only played two games. The NFC already has too many subpar teams getting into the postseason... no they're potentially adding another? The Commanders literally can't figure out which of their lousy quarterbacks to start for week 18 and yet now they're possibly back in the playoff fold. What a mess.

Except the 5-6-7-8 teams may well have a better or the same record than the 4th place team. Does it really matter, it does take a little of the advantage away from the #1 team, but they aren't trying to do this as a regular thing yet, it was caused by these events, and honestly, seems the fairest of all the proposed possibilities.

 

[sb1]

Let's say they do go the 8 team with a Pats loss on Sunday it doesn't matter what the other teams do? We'd be locked in at the 8th?

If Pats lose then I believe they would be out if two of these three results happen: 1- Dolphins over Jets, 2- Steelers over Ravens, 3- Titans over Jags.


Pats (8-9) would lose out to the Dolphins and Steelers (both 9-8). Jags also have the tiebreaker over us (better conference record).

I think 1 is very likely, 2 and 3 not as likely

 

[crawhammer]

The original source for the tweet reads "Bills-Bengals most likely will not be played." We already knew that. We're speculating outcomes and matchups based on a report stating "most likely." In other words nobody really knows WTF is going on yet.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

If Pats lose then they would be out if two of these three results happen: 1- Dolphins over Jets, 2- Steelers over Ravens, 3- Titans over Jags.

I think 1 is very likely, 2 and 3 not as likely

Unfortunately the Steelers already beat the Ravens (it would have helped the Pats if that game turned out differently). The Steelers play the Browns this week which probably is a better match up for the Steelers.

 

[sb1]

Unfortunately the Steelers already beat the Ravens (it would have helped the Pats if that game turned out differently). The Steelers play the Browns this week which probably is a better match up for the Steelers.

My bad you are right. Steelers over Browns and yes that's a better matchup for them. We can hope the Browns will be fired up to eliminate their division rival like the Bills will be.

 

[mike_usagisan]

The original source for the tweet reads "Bills-Bengals most likely will not be played." We already knew that. We're speculating outcomes and matchups based on a report stating "most likely." In other words nobody really knows WTF is going on yet.

Most likely the league is putting out all kinds of trial balloons to see what will be the least offensive.

 

[crawhammer]

Except the 5-6-7-8 teams may well have a better or the same record than the 4th place team. Does it really matter, it does take a little of the advantage away from the #1 team, but they aren't trying to do this as a regular thing yet, it was caused by these events, and honestly, seems the fairest of all the proposed possibilities.

No, the NFL is just creating a bigger mess. Just wipe out the Bills-Bengals game and figure things out with those two teams only playing 16 games. That's the easiest, most practical, and fairest solution. KAN wins and they're the #1 seed, which kind of screws Buffalo (if they beat NWE), but they're also agreeing to the Bengals game being wiped out. Baltimore may lose a shot at the AFC North division title, which totally sucks for them, but from there no other team will be directly effected.

The NFL probably just does not want to miss out on their requisite number of games so they're replacing the Bills-Bengals game with another playoff game. Oh woopie! the owners found a way to profit from this situation.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

The cleanest path for the league is for the Pats and the Chiefs to win. That way only the Bills and Bengals are impacted by the game that was removed from the schedule. C'mon Pats win one for Roger.