NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION Week 16 Other Games

[Guts]

Pats have scored 27 offensive TDs. Bucs have scored 25 offensive TDs

The fact that people on here are absolving Brady and putting it on anyone and everyone but him is not surprising. Fact is Brady is leading an offense that has been worse than an offense that has a former DC calling the plays

b-b-but Byron Leftwich

Wasn't he OC when they won the SB and last year when they were 2nd in points and yards? Funny how 2020 and 2021 was "all Brady and Arians & Leftwich were just passengers to Brady's greatness".


That Bucs team just had to go to OT with a Cardinals team lead by Trace McSorley. Meanwhile Pats beat them by 14 points and Cardinals had a better QB

Stop comparing a team performance with the Patriots. Every matchup is different . I'd think you'd know that by now.

And tell us how you really feel about TB12..at least my boy Mac 10 doesn't hide his anti Brady agenda.

 

[Guts]

I really mean Brady in particular. Different animal in the playoffs as we all know. I think there is such a thing as mystique especially for a young team facing the GOAT. I’d bet on Brady over Purdy or Hurts.

The problem is Tom is part of the problem too.
He needs to play better

 

[Guts]

I'm not sure if you watch every Pat game, but our line has been bottom 3 bad this year. All you need to know is Brown leads the league in penalties, Wynn is gone and when he was in there was horrible, Ferentz is a jag, McDermott is a jag. Tampa's is worse than this? Wirrfs is an all pro tackle.

The Patriots can at least run the ball.
Tampa is historically bad at that.

 

[reflexblue]

He's onto Mahomes. Lol

Hes on the wrong forum then

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I really mean Brady in particular. Different animal in the playoffs as we all know. I think there is such a thing as mystique especially for a young team facing the GOAT. I’d bet on Brady over Purdy or Hurts.

The Niners are not a "young team." They went to the SB a few years ago. And Philly has playoff experience too. Brady hasn't shown this year that he can hang with the big boy teams.

And here are some of your predictions this year:

Brady going to win MVP

Brady going to win SB MVP

Brady going to get the 1 seed

Brady going to 20-0

 

[ashley]

I really mean Brady in particular. Different animal in the playoffs as we all know. I think there is such a thing as mystique especially for a young team facing the GOAT. I’d bet on Brady over Purdy or Hurts.

So you think Tampa wins against either San Fran or Philly if they make it to the playoffs?

 

[ashley]

Did you watch the last 10 minutes of last night's game? Not only was Brady better than "not good at all," he was brilliant. He WON the game. Bucs fans don't have to conjure up moral victories to feel good about their team. Brady actually finds a way to win under improbable circumstances. I'll take that over a quarterback and a team who finds new excruciating ways of losing.

From my man Kyed: his play has not been good.

 

[crawhammer]

To all the Brady Haters...

He's f*cking 45!!!!!!!

WTF more do you want out of the greatest player of all-time still competing and winning football games in dramatic clutch fashion???

He's dragging a very poorly coached and injury riddled team into the postseason with clutch wins. At 45!!!!!!

************, give the GOAT some respect. He gave us 20 years of unprecedented greatness!!! And he turned the literal most losing franchise in all of professional sports into winners. You know, winning, something that used to mean everything in New England.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

To all the Brady Haters...

He's f*cking 45!!!!!!!

WTF more do you want out of the greatest player of all-time still competing and winning football games in dramatic clutch fashion???

I didn't hear a peep out of you or any of the Brady worshippers on this forum last year about Brady being 44...suddenly he's playing poorly and now he's 45 LMAO.

Clutch wins against whom? Bad teams like the Rams, Saints, and Cardinals?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I didn't hear a peep out of you or any of the Brady worshippers on this forum last year about Brady being 44...suddenly he's playing poorly and now he's 45 LMAO.

Clutch wins against whom? Bad teams like the Rams, Saints, and Cardinals?

rather clutch wins than clutch losses like the pats in the last two games, but admitting brady isn't playing his best

 

[crawhammer]

I didn't hear a peep out of you or any of the Brady worshippers on this forum last year about Brady being 44...suddenly he's playing poorly and now he's 45 LMAO.

Clutch wins against whom? Bad teams like the Rams, Saints, and Cardinals?

Brady has had a hall of famer career in his 40's alone. In fact if you break his career into the decades of his life, 20's, 30's and 40's, he's had three hall of fame careers. Everything he's done is amazing but especially what he's continued to do in his 40's. I've been pointing to his age for several seasons now.

And what's your problem? Actual wins aren't good enough for you? The Patriots lost to the Bears who are 1-11 in their last 12. The Raiders look for new ways of blowing games literally every weekend yet the Patriots found probably the most improbable way of gagging that game ever. Those two ridiculous losses are going to keep the Patriots out of the postseason. While those three last second wins by Brady have kept the Bucs season alive and will get them into the postseason.

You tell me which is better? Winning or losing? Playoffs or 8th place?

 

[ashley]

Brady has had a hall of famer career in his 40's alone. In fact if you break his career into the decades of his life, 20's, 30's and 40's, he's had three hall of fame careers. Everything he's done is amazing but especially what he's continued to do in his 40's. I've been pointing to his age for several seasons now.

And what's your problem? Actual wins aren't good enough for you? The Patriots lost to the Bears who are 1-11 in their last 12. The Raiders look for new ways of blowing games literally every weekend yet the Patriots found probably the most improbable way of gagging that game ever. Those two ridiculous losses are going to keep the Patriots out of the postseason. While those three last second wins by Brady have kept the Bucs season alive and will get them into the postseason.

You tell me which is better? Winning or losing? Playoffs or 8th place?

Let's please not start with bashing the Patriots. Remember this is a Patriot fan site, not a Tampa fan site.

 

[crawhammer]

Let's please not start with bashing the Patriots. Remember this is a Patriot fan site, not a Tampa fan site.

Got it. Just trying to make a point.

Feeling great about a Bucs win!

Also hoping the Patriots pick Tua 5 times and blow their doors off!! Miami's falling hard so let's kick'em while they're down!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady has had a hall of famer career in his 40's alone. In fact if you break his career into the decades of his life, 20's, 30's and 40's, he's had three hall of fame careers. Everything he's done is amazing but especially what he's continued to do in his 40's. I've been pointing to his age for several seasons now.

No, he has not been a HOFer in his 40s...two super bowls and two super bowl MVPs is basically Eli Manning-like. And no, everything he's done has not been amazing - I can think of a number of important games where he did not play as expected. But of course, you are are wearing your Timmy goggles and don't want to look at the bad.

And what's your problem? Actual wins aren't good enough for you? The Patriots lost to the Bears who are 1-11 in their last 12. The Raiders look for new ways of blowing games literally every weekend yet the Patriots found probably the most improbable way of gagging that game ever. Those two ridiculous losses are going to keep the Patriots out of the postseason. While those three last second wins by Brady have kept the Bucs season alive and will get them into the postseason.

You tell me which is better? Winning or losing? Playoffs or 8th place?

I'm talking about Brady's performance, not wins or losses. Not sure why you and others keep bringing up the current patriots team when I talk about Brady. What about his failures against Baltimore, Green Bay, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh? Why didn't he pull out a last minute win against those teams?

 

[ahmed]

The pressure hurried Brady's read and he made a poor decision to try a deep shot to Evans on 1st-10. The throw was definitely effected by the pressure/contact too.

However, Evans was completely clueless on this play. He apparently couldn't locate or track the ball and he definitely had lost sight of it by the time it was picked. At worst it should have been a 50/50 ball but Evans awkwardly twisted himself out of position.

If you're watching the Bucs games this season then you would be aware that Evans has fallen off a cliff. He's been entirety ineffective the second half of the season. There are several plays where he's noticeably not trying, just causally going through the motions, and he taps out of the game after virtually every reception. He's basically a liability at this point.

I have watched most of their games. Yes on all counts. Brady's biggest issue on his errant throws is the oline. He releases ball fastest in the league and so often too soon.

The worst offensive play calling I have ever seen in my life. Brady has always been the ultimate player so he never really overrules coaches but he should. They need to be pass heavy at the beginning to set up the horrible run game and yet they continue with calling runs first. So stupid. They are also never inventive with their play design. Pure reliance on players to beat their man.

Evans has always been odd to me. I always felt like Brady never trusted him as they seem to have been out of sync from day 1 but this year is much worse. However I am of the opinion Brady does not go to him enough. He has incredible hands and contested catch ability plus he knows how to beat tight coverage for a catch using his body better than any of their other receivers.

 

[venecol]

I'm not sure if you watch every Pat game, but our line has been bottom 3 bad this year. All you need to know is Brown leads the league in penalties, Wynn is gone and when he was in there was horrible, Ferentz is a jag, McDermott is a jag. Tampa's is worse than this? Wirrfs is an all pro tackle.

Where are you getting that Pats have a bottom 3 OL? There are way worse OLs out there than the Pats and it's not even close. I've seen some sites where they have them in the top 10.

This is an over reaction because of the way Mac is playing. Every QB's rating drops when facing pressure, but Mac's plummets.

 

[venecol]

And no one thinks Brady is washed up. Especially Bucs fans who have Brady to thank for a third consecutive trip to the postseason after enduring years of incompetence.

I wish you would stop making these statements, especially when you've been wrong on about 90% of your proclamations this season. You've jinxed both the Pats and the Bucs.

 

[venecol]

Hes on the wrong forum then

Timmy has lobbied Ian to start a "Mahomes is the Greatest QB ever" subforum, but so far no luck.

 

[crawhammer]

No, he has not been a HOFer in his 40s...two super bowls and two super bowl MVPs is basically Eli Manning-like. And no, everything he's done has not been amazing - I can think of a number of important games where he did not play as expected. But of course, you are are wearing your Timmy goggles and don't want to look at the bad.

I'm talking about Brady's performance, not wins or losses. Not sure why you and others keep bringing up the current patriots team when I talk about Brady. What about his failures against Baltimore, Green Bay, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh? Why didn't he pull out a last minute win against those teams?

I can't take you seriously. No one has a flawless career. I can nitpick anyone's career and point out the bad but that doesn't nullify all of the good or great accomplishments. Brady has accomplished more than any player in the history of professional team sports. But you keep embarrassing yourself by harping on some meaningless week 6 game.

 

[crawhammer]

I wish you would stop making these statements, especially when you've been wrong on about 90% of your proclamations this season. You've jinxed both the Pats and the Bucs.

How's this? The Bucs are winning their division. I guarantee it.