Try to be positive for once

[sb1]

The Mac guys criticize the offensive coaching and use it as an explanation for Mac’s poor play - telling us he deserves more time to improve his play with better coaching - but simultaneously tell us that Zappe’s 2nd half against Chicago (under the same coaches, btw) fundamentally disqualifies him from ever being a successful NFL QB. (Which is a really dumb opinion, btw, that a single half of struggles - as a rookie no less - means a player cannot be successful in the future).

Many people prefer one guy over the other and that leads to inconsistent analysis of the evidence/context based on that bias.

I don’t mind people having their guy and leaning one way or the other. What I don’t like is when folks discuss this situation in absolutes, particularly when predicting how this will play out in the future.

We have a meaningful sample size with Mac with McDaniels last season. He was good then and isn’t now. So what changed?

The sample size we have for Zappe is 1 game vs GB where he was a game manager and nothing more…threw maybe 3 passes past the LOS, 2 decent but overhyped games vs the Lions and Browns- nothing that guys like Cooper Rush and Mike White haven’t done- and 1 awful game vs the Bears where they seemed to have figured him out and therefore was benched. So Mac with the much more significant sample size where he was good gets the benefit of the doubt imo and he should.

I get the sentiment that we don’t like Mac and his game and/or we don't think he's the guy. That doesn’t mean Zappe is good but at least Zappe will get another chance to compete for the job in camp.

 

[State]

Try to lie to yourself for once.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

OK, name the OCs in this league who are better than Matty.

 

[203Pat]

OK, name the OCs in this league who are better than Matty.

Ben Johnson, Ken Dorsey, Kellen Moore, Pete Carmichael, Shane Waldron, and Scott Turner are all lightyears better. This also doesn't count the head coaches that call their own plays like Reid, McVay, Shanahan, Zac Taylor etc. If there is a list of 32 play callers Patricia should be within shooting distance of number 32.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

The Mac guys criticize the offensive coaching and use it as an explanation for Mac’s poor play - telling us he deserves more time to improve his play with better coaching - but simultaneously tell us that Zappe’s 2nd half against Chicago (under the same coaches, btw) fundamentally disqualifies him from ever being a successful NFL QB. (Which is a really dumb opinion, btw, that a single half of struggles - as a rookie no less - means a player cannot be successful in the future).

Many people prefer one guy over the other and that leads to inconsistent analysis of the evidence/context based on that bias.

I don’t mind people having their guy and leaning one way or the other. What I don’t like is when folks discuss this situation in absolutes, particularly when predicting how this will play out in the future.

I do not think either Mac or Zappe is worthy of qbing this franchise. Are there other NOMOZ guys out there (not Mac or Zappe)

 

[notex]

On Mac Jones, he may be ruined. I hope not. I think they may have psychologically wrecked him by the way they have, um, sort of cut his balls off, to a guy who maybe was a little soft to begin with. It started with the Buffalo wind game, and goes up to that horrible 3rd down weird rollout play Sunday. I don’t think he’s finished, but he is on life support. Again, GOOD coaching can fix it.

There’s talent on this team. The coaching has been awful.

Agreed here.

I am not a "Matt Patricia sucks" guy at all. He is a smart guy and a good coach. In my eyes not the reason for Patriots failures this season.

That said, I think we need a new OC for next year IF we are going to stick with Mac Jones. Call it a gut feeling, but I think Mac would do well with the comfort of having a "proven OC" , and be able to hit the the proverbial "reset button". My opinion on this has absolutely nothing to do with X's and O's.

 

[Wozzy]

This team has a lot of talented and exciting young players.

They will have double digit draft draft picks next offseason, once compensatory picks are included.

They have the most (currently 4th) cap space available in the entire NFL next offseason, with the 5th most players already under contract.

They have to know and understand the total coaching failure from this season, and will actively work to fix it this offseason.

The future is bright assuming this team learns from it's mistakes.

 

[captain stone]

OK, name the OCs in this league who are better than Matty.

Umm... All of them?

 

[TomPatriot]

Umm... All of them?

Can we add some college OCs?

 

[Thelonious]

In a context in which the team has as many problems as it does, adverse commentary is appropriate, even necessary, unless the goal here is some sort of fanboy safe space. Demands that we limit ourselves to delusional happy talk are asinine. If there is too much of anything here, there is too much whining about "trolls" who are not trolls at all, just fans with an affinity for honest adult conversation.

 

[A.C Vegas]

In a context in which the team has as many problems as it does, adverse commentary is appropriate, even necessary, unless the goal here is some sort of fanboy safe space. Demands that we limit ourselves toidelusional happy talk are asinine. If there is too much of anything here, there is too much whining about "trolls" who are not trolls at all, just fans with an affinity for honest adult conversation.

So you claim there is too much positivity here. Go to the GameDay thread on day. I have been here since at least 2002 if not sooner and this place is just hate. Being Critical is fine but even in a thread where I want some simple positivity it still devolves into trashing the team

 

[sean10mm]

let's all try to say something positive.

No.

 

[ashley]

In a context in which the team has as many problems as it does, adverse commentary is appropriate, even necessary, unless the goal here is some sort of fanboy safe space. Demands that we limit ourselves to delusional happy talk are asinine. If there is too much of anything here, there is too much whining about "trolls" who are not trolls at all, just fans with an affinity for honest adult conversation.

No, their trolls.

Let's not high jack this thread, if you have nothing positive to say, you can go to the post game thread, but not here. Don't be a "debbie downer". We're looking for positivity!!!!! Are you with me? Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[A.C Vegas]

No.

Then go away no need to be a troll or a hater

 

[1960Pats]

I remember when this site was active and people had discussions. Now it is so negative let's all try to say something positive.

Yes the team is not the world beaters we have been but the team is still about above average and not the worst team like a lot of people seem to think

It's difficult to be positive about a team with so many negatives.

 

[ashley]

It's difficult to be positive about a team with so many negatives.

for you it's impossible

 

[1960Pats]

If I ever met Adam Jones I think I would punch him in the face ….low ratings, no talent, POS.

Maybe you can get Willie and his friends to attack him when they get out of jail.

 

[mgteich]

It's difficult to be positive about a team with so many negatives.

That is truly too bad.

If the team fired Patricia, moved Judge to ST's, the team would have reasonable prospects going into 2023. Obviously, the search for a coaching staff would be critical, as it was before 2022.

 

[1960Pats]

I can't think of a worse time to try and force the posters to be positive. That loss was a total embarrassment and will be talked about for many years to come.

 

[jdlboot14]

I'll give us something positive - McDermott! Crosby is lauded as being one of the best DE's in the NFL, and he didn't affect the game that much. I realize Henry was in to double team a lot, but that's what's expected. And Connor has done well the last 2 games. I know he's not young, but if we can lock him up for a fairly cheap deal for 2-3 years, I'd love going into '23 with a consistent and known OL. And can only get better with another LT draft pick, and Steuber, Hines, Russey returning.