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This is where we gather to follow things on Game Day. Obviously, emotions tend to be high so if anyone gets a little crazy, the use of the “Mute” button is encouraged on anyone who may be annoying to you to control your experience and to allow the moderators to also enjoy the game.

At the same time, please take a deep breath before over-reacting for the sake of making this a pleasant experience for everyone.

This team would be 10-4 at minimum with competent QB play even with Patricia.

Agreed, though the loss at GB was due to Zappy being thoroughly unprepared as a rookie 4th-round 3rd-stringer would be... And because of their ****ing gutless, unimaginative ****ing play-calling in OT.

As for the loss at MIN, there was more than a couple of stupid football people on offense that night besides Corky... And the bare-faced, over-officious jerkiness of Alex Kemp's crew (as communicated to them from Park Avenue) must be included, as well as our team's overall inability to overcome them.
 
Not really. The Bears game was the first half decent defense Zappe faced and he looked like he didn't belong in the league. Zappe's ceiling is much lower than Mac's.

You nor anyone else, including Billy & his F & F, knows that for sure without seeing the results of legitimate competition on a level playing field.
 
Oh, you'll be seeing a lot of quiet quitting the next couple of weeks out of the Pats.

If I were Andrews, Meyers or Rham Tough (aka their Best Players on offense), I would consider doing that very same thing myself, if Bill doesn't do what's actually best for the T-E-A-M and shut them down for the rest of the season as soon as they're eliminated from playoff contention next week.
 
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Surely you're not suggesting that Corky be handed the starting job next year without having to compete for it first, are you?

Because I would be very interested in seeing Corky vs Zappy on a level playing field...

If he has QB competition, it is doubtful it will be Zappe. Maybe if Jimmy Garoppolo cannot get a guaranteed starting spot and starter money. Otherwise, Jones is likely the anointed starter.
 
I find myself thinking we are getting a little personal in our commentary on Matt. He is indeed hopelessly incompetent at his job. He should have anticipated this and turned the position down, frankly. The real culprit - and I am not happy to say so - is the man who put him in a position in which he would inevitably fail, Bill Belichick. I retired at 73. In my last year or so, I was not what I had been. I was fine, but I could not get to the levels to which I and my students and the people I was in charge of had become accustomed. No one complained, but I knew I was coasting, cutting corners, settling for good enough. I knew it. Bill knows it too - no question - and the honorable thing is to act on that knowledge. (I went part time, gave up my chairmanship, then retired.) THEN we can celebrate Bill's many accomplishments, rather than focus on his present failings, which none of us, I think, enjoys doing at all. I sure don't.
 




This is getting underplayed. Not sure if it's been posted but I don't feel like scrolling back

Refs delaying play, when I'm sure we didn't sub which allowed Raiders to challenge. They are only supposed to do that if they sub.
 
Checks much bigger than that are still coming in, though

Kraft know this too, and I'm pretty sure is OK with spending near the cap as just part of doing business here... I'm also pretty sure he still doesn't like to see so much of that money go to so much waste, while at the same time he might be starting to more closely examine the extremely top-heavy nature of his FO & Coaching staffs' budget as well...
 
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I think Zappe has a earned a genuine shot at the job in a genuine competition for it. I don't think we know anything definitive about Mac, given the woefully substandard coaching he has gotten this year. That said, given his performance this year - demonstrably, empirically inferior to Zappe's - Mac has certainly not earned the right preemptively to presume that he is necessarily the guy.
 
I find myself thinking we are getting a little personal in our commentary on Matt. He is indeed hopelessly incompetent at his job. He should have anticipated this and turned the position down, frankly. The real culprit - and I am not happy to say so - is the man who put him in a position in which he would inevitably fail, Bill Belichick. I retired at 73. In my last year or so, I was not what I had been. I was fine, but I could not get to the levels to which I and my students and the people I was in charge of had become accustomed. No one complained, but I knew I was coasting, cutting corners, settling for good enough. I knew it. Bill knows it too - no question - and the honorable thing is to act on that knowledge. (I went part time, gave up my chairmanship, then retired.) THEN we can celebrate Bill's many accomplishments, rather than focus on his present failings, which none of us, I think, enjoys doing at all. I sure don't.

Well said…and I agree that MP did not put himself in that spot.

Bill has lost the fastball…specifically when it comes to willingness to work with people who are not sycophants.

That never ends well.
 
The NFL might as well be run by a bunch of hyenas. Change replay rules on the day of the SB with billions on the line and not one media outlet ever talks about it. Now games are officiated in a way to try and get either a desired result or close games. The refs did the right thing calling it a TD on the field but the review process is supposed to take care of it afterwards. The Giants game was so bad it wasn't a watchable finish. Do they not know they have a huge problem? At this point you have to think they are getting exactly what they want and that they don't believe this is a problem.

The suits at Park Avenue despise the entire franchise, Little Bill in particular; and the skirts there dig the Long Ball & the "new faces" of the league,
particularly at QB.
 
I think the last play in the game SURPASSES the "Jets BUTT fumble", EASY!
:rolleyes:
 
I do not think the outcome of this game has anything to do with the playoffs.

The only legit purpose of this year was to assess and develop the roster. We never had any chance at accomplishing anything in the playoffs, and very little chance of getting there.

Neither is it about some "missed call." It doesn't matter really. Focusing on it is an excuse, a distraction, from the core fact: this is a mediocre team which is so badly coached and marginally GM'd that there is little prospect of improvement. Nor is it about the collective brain fart that led to the gruesome ineptitude at game's end. Lousy teams just DO that sort of thing, and this - the REAL takeaway, once again - is a lousy team. They didn't get "robbed." They deprived themselves, from the beginning of the game to the end, of any opportunity to win it.

Nor is it about Mac Jones. It is a real question whether, given the idiotically mismanaged "coaching" staff, Mac has been afforded a legitimate chance at developing this year and showing what he can do. To this point, Mac has NOT, by any reasonable measure, shown that he is a worthwhile "franchise qb,"certainly, but we can draw no firm conclusion on this because the coaching has been so substandard. As for Zappe, he did earn a fuller evaluation, on the field, on game day; but he hasn't gotten it. Given this fact, and Mac's substandard work, there ought to be a genuine competition for qb next year, I suspect Mac would win that competion, but it might well show that neither of them is worth keeping.

The ball is in the Krafts' court. The issue, I say without any happiness at all, is Bill Belichick who, the evidence over the past few years shows, is no longer up to the job, at least as the Coach/GM job has been defined here for many years. He can't do it any more, and it is unclear in my mind - again, sadly - whether what he CAN do, whatever that may be, makes him worth holding on to.

There are, of course, a healthy number of sound and promising players on the team, and the team has shown resilience at times this year as a group in bouncing back from their too-frequent failures. Maybe in a way what I have said re Mac could be said of the team as a whole: we don't really know what they are because with respect to coaching, they have been so ill-served.

One final note: These are pretty dark times for this team. That's a fact. Given this, the asinine notion among certain mods and participants that any negative commentary re the team constitutes "trolling" has got to go. It's ridiculous, and offensive. We are not children subject to mandates that we limit ourselves to delusory happy talk. (And no, I personally have not been (so far? lol) accused of this so-called trangression, but others have: unnecessarily and unfairly, in my view.)

As eloquent a 1000th post as I can recall reading; and I don't usually blow smoke up another post except for the smilies Ian has most excellently provided us...
 
I think the last play in the game SURPASSES the "Jets BUTT fumble", EASY!
:rolleyes:
People who think this are prisoners of the moment. Butt fumble was in front of a national audience, on Thanksgiving. Sanchez literally went face to ass, fumbled the ball, saw it get scooped, and facepalmed himself into the dirt dejectedly. The (Collinsworth?) announcer going "Oh no" at the same time is the cherry on top.
 
They also follow Troy Vincent. And guess who he follows: Nick Wright & Jack Easterby, two Patriot haters.

This is 100% proof there's a conspiracy. We all need to send emails to Kraft to get to the bottom of this. I'm sure he'll call for an investigation of the NFL by the NFL.

Here's a team they do follow, but still:



Fact is the NFL Officiating crew has never made a game changing call against any of the 31 teams they follow.

SAINTS: hold my beer.



Agreed; but WHODATBOSS can Go **** Himself.
 
Question:
If they cave and put Zappe in there, and he proceeds to **** the bed like he did in Chicago, will that satisfy the Zappe crowd or will you start blaming the OL and OC, making excuses for him?

At least we'll have a better idea about how to approach the position during the offseason, which we don't have now.

Besides, maybe a lesson in humility, leadership, toughness, accountability & entitlement is needed for Corky to learn... And that doesn't even begin to address the actual athletic & physical issues with him...
 
i really dont like Matt Chatham's analysis because he is always non objective when criticizing coaching or play calls but i doagree with him about the players part here




**** Tool Chatham. The very beginning of his twits, he resorts to name-calling of those who might disagree with him Before he even ****ing begins to make his ****ing point.

Tool continues to point fingers everywhere except to where it should've been pointed all along: at his hero/lover, Little Billy.
 
Kraft know this too, and I'm pretty sure is OK with spending near the cap as just part of doing business here... I'm also pretty sure he still doesn't like to see so much of that money go to so much waste, while at the same time he might be starting to more closely examine the extremely top-heavy nature of his FO & Coaching staffs budget as well...
Operating income took a hit, as I posted elsewhere. We’ll see if that
I find myself thinking we are getting a little personal in our commentary on Matt. He is indeed hopelessly incompetent at his job. He should have anticipated this and turned the position down, frankly. The real culprit - and I am not happy to say so - is the man who put him in a position in which he would inevitably fail, Bill Belichick. I retired at 73. In my last year or so, I was not what I had been. I was fine, but I could not get to the levels to which I and my students and the people I was in charge of had become accustomed. No one complained, but I knew I was coasting, cutting corners, settling for good enough. I knew it. Bill knows it too - no question - and the honorable thing is to act on that knowledge. (I went part time, gave up my chairmanship, then retired.) THEN we can celebrate Bill's many accomplishments, rather than focus on his present failings, which none of us, I think, enjoys doing at all. I sure don't.
How do we know Patricia didn’t ask for the job?
 


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