Mac Jones last two weeks

[JR52]

Yes, we get it. Yesterday was the Super Bowl for Mac haters. Because he had a bad day yesterday, you can ignore everything else that has happened over the last year and blame it all on Jones.

Congratulations on winning the 2,453,987th I Told You So Bowl.

Some of us want the best for the team while others of us want Mac Jones to be the quarterback of the New England Patriots.

 

[Wozzy]

His scouting report says he has a weak arm, it's right there in black and white.

Scouting reports by media experts are as useful as a knuckle in my Johnson. These are the same people who said Tom Brady had a weak arm. Moreover they said Cole Strange was a bad pick... the kid was leveling opponents yesterday.

And he was pulled and Zappe crapped all over the field once the Bears figured out how easy he was to defend. If Zappe had a good arm he also wouldn't get a dozen passes batted down like they were.

Zappe scored twice in the rain, then the entire team took a nose dive including the defense. Context isn't your strong suit.

Don't see why Mac couldn't have done that either against a weak defense with a bunch of short fields that the defense gave them.

Mac was playing the 28th ranked defense in both points allowed and defense yesterday... they scored 1 TD... and it was primarily from rushing the ball for over 200 yards.

"Zappe is good" does not logically follow from "I don't like Mac Jones".

I'm calling it like I see it and how it appears. Zappe is undefeated as a starter, the offense magically became good the instant he entered the game... decisive and explosive. This while the coaches kept the clamps on him to end the Green Bay game and in his first start. Once they let him off the chain against Cleveland, who stopped the run really well, Zappe punished them by shredding them.

Those ^ are the facts. One rainy wet game after where he entered midway and with the team around him falling apart doesn't change that. I liked Mac Jones the prospect, I liked Zappe as a prospect... Zappe looks to have more upside and more mental toughness. I could be wrong... but I don't deal in absolutes like you seem to be doing.

 

[All3Phases]

A couple years ago, the 49ers were one play away from winning the Super Bowl and they didn't have an elite offense.

I mean, they were 2nd in the league, scored 30ppg. We would have to go back and look game by game to see how those stats actually occurred, but Id say thats as good as you can do without an elite quarterback.

You can win without an elite offense. It is just harder these days.

Sure, if youre perfect/dominant everywhere else. Like you said, thats hard and even harder to sustain. Find an elite quarterback and build an elite offense.

But if you cannot win without an elite offense, every Mac Jones hater should want him to start every year until the Pats get high enough in the draft to draft another potential elite QB. Anyone who thinks Zappe is better than Jones should want the Pats to trade away Zappe just in case the Pats think about starting him. The only way to get an elite offense is to draft an elite QB. And that could take the Pats decades.

Agree, Like I said in another thread, draft prospects you think could pop. I think its time to draft outside of their template and take some chances. They also could trade up if they really liked a guy as well. Could take decades, thats why its hard to build a sustained winner

 

[Wozzy]

"Start Zappe now" is 2022's version of "Play Stidham see what he's got!"

Lol

Yeah... sure... except Stidham never played and had zero track record.

We've seen two starts from Zappe where he was near flawless.

Exactly the same.... not.

 

[catent]

The thing that really stands out to me is that he's started 11 games and has 7 td passes. That is alarming. No doubt the playcalling situation has affected him and the entire offense but still, that is a shockingly low number of TDs for a starter in today's NFL. Guys like Andy Dalton and Marcus Mariota have more than double what Mac has.

Yeah, and Zappe has thrown for 5 TDs in 3-1/2 games played. Mac has thrown for 7 TDs through 10-1/2 games played.

Unless - by some remarkable coincidence - Patricia and BB just got really lucky those weeks Zappe played and managed to spit out a good game-plan, but have sucked every game Mac has played in ... maybe we should be looking beyond only the coaches to explain the performance of the QB.

And none of that is to say everything is perfect around Mac, nor is it to say that Zappe is necessarily our savior ... but it is to say that the quarterback themself, the one making decisions and throwing the ball, should be accountable for their own performance at least some of the time.

 

[lancerman]

The trolls supporting Mac at this point are just dug in. It's indefensible. Next year when Matty P is gone it will be "he's had 3 OC's in 3 years". I'm not sure what they will say after that but this is just going to keep getting uglier with noodle arm leading the charge.

The same people screaming about Mac were the people who blamed Brady for everything in 2019 and then watched him win a Super Bowl a year later, then a year later didn’t like the offense and screamed that Stidham was the savior, then he got embarrassed every time he stepped on the field.

Sounds like we have a subset of fans that have watched a bad offense for 4 years and the breath of the analysis is “find another QB”.

 

[lancerman]

Yeah... sure... except Stidham never played and had zero track record.

We've seen two starts from Zappe where he was near flawless.

Exactly the same.... not.

Except for when they player the exact same opponent and you got the clearest comparison you will ever get

 

[JR52]

Yeah, and Zappe has thrown for 5 TDs in 3-1/2 games played. Mac has thrown for 7 TDs through 10-1/2 games played.

Unless - by some remarkable coincidence - Patricia and BB just got really lucky those weeks Zappe played and managed to spit out a good game-plan, but have sucked every game Mac has played in ... maybe we should be looking beyond only the coaches to explain the performance of the QB.

And none of that is to say everything is perfect around Mac, nor is it to say that Zappe is our savior ... but it is to say that the quarterback themself, the one making decisions and throwing the ball, should be accountable for their own performance at least some of the time.

Zappe got to play against easy teams, Mac had to play against juggernaut defenses like the Cardinals and the Raiders.

 

[Rob0729]

Some of us want the best for the team while others of us want Mac Jones to be the quarterback of the New England Patriots.

LOL! No you want to be right.

If Jones is not a QB the Pats can win with, I don't want him. The problem is we don't know if he is or not because of Belichick and his stupidity.

But what is the difference. The Pats are not going to be in position to draft an elite QB in 2023. Signing Jimmy G is a short term solution and probably isn't much of an upgrade anyway. Either the Pats find that Jones is the answer or 2023 is a lost season before it started.

 

[Wozzy]

Zappe got to play against easy teams, Mac had to play against juggernaut defenses like the Cardinals and the Raiders.

Who has Mac faced? He's not playing murderer's row here.

He played the 4th worst defense statistically in the NFL yesterday... worse than Cleveland.

 

[crawhammer]

Mac is sailing passes over receivers heads, throwing behind them... accuracy and decision making was something we were supposed to be able to count on Mac for.

There's no defending Mac anymore. He was certainly dealt a really bad hand with Patricia and Judge implementing an anemic offense but he's playing poorly (over his last 17 games) and now he's lost his composure too.

Consider these numbers...

Mac's TD% is 32nd in the NFL at 2.1% which is even significantly worse than Zach Wilson's.
Mac is 30th in TDs with 7 which is fewer than Carson Wentz who hasn't played since week 6 and seven other quarterbacks who weren't starting this weekend.
Mac's passer rating is 29th at 82.6 with only Davis Mills, Baker Mayfield, Zach Wilson and Kenny Pickett worse.
Mac's QBR is 32nd at 30.7 (on a scale of 100 with 50 being average) with only Baker Mayfield worse.
Mac is averaging 210 passing yards per game which is lower than Tannehill, Heinicke and Dalton.
On top of all that he can't tackle.

Mac is not the quarterback for this team this season. It's Zappe time for the rest of the season. Let's see how that goes then bring in a veteran QB for next season (while likely trading Mac) or head into the next camp with an open competition between Mac and Zappe for the starting job. But for this season, it's time to bench Mac for good.

 

[lancerman]

Not this year. If the Pats as is were in the NFC South, they may have already locked up the division. Currently, no one in the NFC South wants to win the division including the Brady led Bucs.

But if Brady was here, he would have been able to get Belichick to disconnect Patricia's connection to the QB's helmet and call his own plays taking Patricia out of equation all together. If Brady was here, they would be running his offense and Brady would have the power to check out of any play that Patricia called that he didn't like which would happen a lot.

If Brady was here it would be another 2019 except the Bills exist and are very good. We already are seeing Brady this year with a problematic offense with problematic coaches

 

[Wozzy]

There's no defending Mac anymore. He was certainly dealt a really bad hand with Patricia and Judge implementing an anemic offense but he's playing poorly (over his last 17 games) and now he's lost his composure too.

Consider these numbers...

Mac's TD% is 32nd in the NFL at 2.1% which is even significantly worse than Zach Wilson's.
Mac is 30th in TDs with 7 which is fewer than Carson Wentz who hasn't played since week 6 and seven other quarterbacks who weren't starting this weekend.
Mac's passer rating is 29th at 82.6 with only Davis Mills, Baker Mayfield, Zach Wilson and Kenny Pickett worse.
Mac's QBR is 32nd at 30.7 (on a scale of 100 with 50 being average) with only Baker Mayfield worse.
Mac is averaging 210 passing yards per game which is lower than Tannehill, Heinicke and Dalton.
On top of all that he can't tackle.

Mac is not the quarterback for this team this season. It's Zappe time for the rest of the season. Let's see how that goes then bring in a veteran QB for next season (while likely trading Mac) or head into the next camp with an open competition between Mac and Zappe for the starting job. But for this season, it's time to bench Mac for good.

I don't think Mac is a lost cause, he has the physical tools.

I just question whether Zappe has more upside and mental toughness.

Mac is a snowflake, and his feeling seem to control him.

 

[PatsFan2]

LOL! No you want to be right.

If Jones is not a QB the Pats can win with, I don't want him. The problem is we don't know if he is or not because of Belichick and his stupidity.

But what is the difference. The Pats are not going to be in position to draft an elite QB in 2023. Signing Jimmy G is a short term solution and probably isn't much of an upgrade anyway. Either the Pats find that Jones is the answer or 2023 is a lost season before it started.

LOL! No you want to be right.

If Jones is not a QB the Pats can win with, I don't want him. The problem is we don't know if he is or not because of Belichick and his stupidity.

But what is the difference. The Pats are not going to be in position to draft an elite QB in 2023. Signing Jimmy G is a short term solution and probably isn't much of an upgrade anyway. Either the Pats find that Jones is the answer or 2023 is a lost season before it started.

Jimmy G just wins Mac Jones just loses yeah we get it Rob.

 

[Rob0729]

Yeah... sure... except Stidham never played and had zero track record.

We've seen two starts from Zappe where he was near flawless.

Exactly the same.... not.

If we could only have the Legend of Bailey Zappe playing rather than than the actual Bailey Zappe, we could win like eight Super Bowls in a row with him. Zappe was asked to do very little in his first start. Against the Lions, he only threw 21 times and the Pats won by running the football.

 

[Rob0729]

Jimmy G just wins Mac Jones just loses yeah we get it Rob.

The 49ers just win. They haven't lost a game since Jimmy went down. In fact, you can argue the guy who replaced Jimmy is playing better than Jimmy. And that guy was the last pick in the NFL draft. The 49ers could have a winning season with you as their QB.

 

[Pats2000]

I didn't say he had a great game. I said it wasn't bad. How is that defending the guy.

And I will defend him until he proves he fails when he has a competent OC and an o-line that is at least close to average.

Oline looked great last night, 0 sacks, very few pressures. What happened?

 

[PatsFan2]

If we could only have the Legend of Bailey Zappe playing rather than than the actual Bailey Zappe, we could win like eight Super Bowls in a row with him. Zappe was asked to do very little in his first start. Against the Lions, he only threw 21 times and the Pats won by running the football.

And Mac Jones can't get the Team in from the One yard line on three chances.

 

[Pats2000]

If we could only have the Legend of Bailey Zappe playing rather than than the actual Bailey Zappe, we could win like eight Super Bowls in a row with him. Zappe was asked to do very little in his first start. Against the Lions, he only threw 21 times and the Pats won by running the football.

At least he was able to throw the football when asked to.

 

[Wozzy]

If we could only have the Legend of Bailey Zappe playing rather than than the actual Bailey Zappe, we could win like eight Super Bowls in a row with him. Zappe was asked to do very little in his first start. Against the Lions, he only threw 21 times and the Pats won by running the football.

The actual Zappe is 2-0 as a starter. His efficiency as a passer is as good as anyone's seen since the 1950's and Sonny Jurgensen... but yeah, it's all "legend" and no substance.