Mac Jones last two weeks

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Jones scored TDs twice on that drive. Coaching arguably took away both TD.

That I will agree with. Terrible coaching sequence. Didn’t agree with the playcalls (thought it should be Rham it in until we scored) but that pass to Meyers was one of Macs best of the night.

 

[sb1]

Surely Bill will decide that the Patricia/Judge thing was a mistake and make the necessary changes.

I'd like to think he has already decided it was a mistake. The Patriots aren't the first team to be in a situation with a coach who builds his staff by nepotism and his buddies and it doesn't end that well for those teams.

 

[JR52]

 

[PatsFan2]

That I will agree with. Terrible coaching sequence. Didn’t agree with the playcalls (thought it should be Rham it in until we scored) but that pass to Meyers was one of Macs best of the night.

The other one was to Meyers two good passes from 31 attempts budding HoFer in the making here.

 

[All3Phases]

The o-line was great for them which is a low standard. But they weren't great. Jones was hit five times and pressured a lot. The Raiders just didn't sack him. But we give them credit for not letting a bunch of free rushers in to crush Jones on multiple plays.

On no realistic standard did they have a great game. They had a far better game than they normally had.

I thought they were actually pretty good by any standard yesterday...According to Lazar, Mac was pressured on only 21% of his dropbacks.

 

[Rob0729]

How superficial do you need to be to not realize that when there little to no pressure and Mac is still throwing ducks it's the QB's fault?

Extremely superficial. The o-line doesn't give up a sack and Mac Jones has one of the worst games of his career so it has to Jones' fault that the offense sucks. That is the literal definition of superficial analysis. You are not looking at anything that actually happened in anything of the games and just took one thing and drawing a conclusion.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

The other one was to Meyers two good passes from 31 attempts budding HoFer in the making here.

That’s the issue. These plays are few and far between. No consistency. It’s one step forward (Minnesota) and 3 steps back (Buffalo, Zona, LV).

 

[PatsFan2]

13/31 a measly 112 yds 3.6 ave but his needle points up to the homers.

 

[BTTA]

Copied from BSG comments: I'm not going to see the behavior of someone who just turned 24 as central to the problem, when he is surrounded by men in their 30's, 40's, 50's, and even 70's who set the norms, do the modeling, provide the boundaries, and are responsible for developing his emotional intelligence. Sure, Jones could behave better, but I see that as a symptom, not a cause.

Question: which of the primary coaches on this staff have comfortable, close relationships with the players? The kind where they routinely have "how are you doing, really?" and "tell me how we (the coaches) are doing with you guys" types of conversations. Sharing a beer with a vet as two men on the same journey, each with a role to play. Who have a pulse on each of the players' personal lives. All of the Pats' coaches seem to be standoffish guys, and I think that's where this starts. You can survive having one guy like that among the top three, but not all three of them.

I'm just spit balling on this, of course.

 

[Rob0729]

I thought they were actually pretty good by any standard yesterday...According to Lazar, Mac was pressured on only 21% of his dropbacks.

I will take Lazar on his word and if I am wrong, I am wrong.

But it is still superficial analysis to say just because he was pressured and played worse than he usually does when he has a lot of pressure proves that he is the problem. That isn't how football works.

 

[Wozzy]

If you honestly think he showed HOF potential because he beat the mediocre Lions who we shut out (Mac hadn’t been shut out in a single game so that’s a guaranteed win) and the 6-8 Browns who were starting Brissett…. idk how serious to take that.

I never said “HOF potential,” that’s you putting words in my mouth.

I said he played really well… a factually/statistically accurate statement.

 

[PatsFan2]

That’s the issue. These plays are few and far between. No consistency. It’s one step forward (Minnesota) and 3 steps back (Buffalo, Zona, LV).

I hope they get embarrassed in the next three which should more than send a message to upper management. No Prime Time Games in 2023 should not sit well with the Krafts.

 

[Wozzy]

I don't remember anyone saying Strange was a bad pick. The main thing as I remember it was where he was picked in the draft.

Two drives isn't a full game. Yes the defense sucked but the QB was horrible. If he was that easy to figure out then the Patriots should have traded him after the Cleveland game. Maybe they should have anyway. Sell high as they say.

Ok but now that the Bears wrote the book on how to defend Zappe how would he have done? I suspect not any better.

Zappe is a major project. Weak arm, his processing is slow (and his scouting report said that too), doesn't see the field all that well IMO, can't adjust to what the defense is giving him, he's not mobile, and doesn't do well when plays are breaking down like they often will in the NFL especially with this team and its OL. We saw that a lot in the Bears game. Also Mac was runner up for ROTY last year so we know he can be better than this because the sample size backs that up. I'm not convinced Zappe can be.

A whole bunch of hyperbole with zero facts… “because I say so” is not an argument.

I’m not saying Zappe is the long term answer, you’re the only one dealing in absolutes.

 

[Pats2000]

See my last two sentences.

Sounds to me like Zappe is a poor man's Mac. So - why should we play him?

Right now Mac is playing like a poor man's Zappe

 

[lancerman]

I never said “HOF potential,” that’s you putting words in my mouth.

I said he played really well… a factually/statistically accurate statement.

In one game the other team scored zero. Every QB in the league wins that game. So we are down to one game against a mediocre Browns team as his glory to prove he deserves a start. When he played against the same opponent as Mac the next week…. he played like crap.

 

[PatsFan2]

 

[All3Phases]

I will take Lazar on his word and if I am wrong, I am wrong.

Im sure the "pressures" stat could be subjective to a point as well...Will have to see what Bedard thinks as well to cross reference as he does the numbers weekly.

 

[sb1]

Right now Mac is playing like a poor man's Zappe

Good point, and being compared to Zappe is an even lower bar.

 

[Rob0729]

13/31 a measly 112 yds 3.6 ave but his needle points up to the homers.

LOL! Everyone has admitted he had a horrible game yesterday. Arguably the worst of his career. I don't look at him any differently today than I did yesterday. I have no idea if he is the QB of the future or a bust in the making. And I won't know until the Pats put him in a position to succeed and he either succeeds or fails. Unfortunately, that won't be until next year at the earliest if ever. It all depends on if Belichick gets him a real OC.

 

[Rob0729]

Im sure the "pressures" stat could be subjective to a point as well...Will have to see what Bedard thinks as well to cross reference as he does the numbers weekly.

He was hit five times. That is all I know and that is high.

But you are right, pressures are subjective.

I will say this was one of the o-line's better games, but again that isn't saying much considering how much of a disaster they have been.