Pre-Game Thread- Pats @ Raiders

[PatsFan2]

Good morning Pat fans, getting you ready for a Wednesday.....let's keep an eye on Barmore these next few days!!

So we need Meyers back for this one and our Offense needs to be more aggressive we have been at this for a while now. Our Defense is getting even better with the emergence of Uche. But our Offense still needs to pull its weight we are going to be playing Teams who can score most notably Cincy and Miami we have to keep up. Mac it's your time to shine show us that you're our future @ QB.

 

[PatsFan2]

The Pats are in a catch 22. Until other teams respect their ability to go deep it is easy to take away what they do best by clogging the center of the field within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. They can't throw it deep because they need to protect the OL. I don't see the OL getting better this year.

It is not only because of the OL...Mac needs to trust his arm and throw the football in some tight throwing windows. Not every QB is throwing to wide open guys you have to throw it where your guys can make the play Mac did this a lot last year. H Henry is a good TE and he had a good connection with Bourne last year too. We have to get back to that: we have guys who can make plays let's go Mac Jones.

 

[PatsFan2]

That's basically where I'm at as well. Unless something suddenly clicks with this OL, be it players just start gelling and playing to their absolute max potential, or someone like Cannon comes back and stabilizes the RT position (and there's a domino effect on the rest of the line from there), you have to gameplan assuming Mac isn't going to have all day to throw. That means no long developing routes, which shrinks the field, and makes it even harder to get chunk plays. That's just the reality of the offense at this point.

Basically three things need to happen (and happen quickly so there's time to actually build off of the momentum going into the end of the season):

1) Trent Brown needs to get right, and be the Trent Brown we know he CAN be.

2) SOMEONE needs to grab the reins at RT and never let them go. I don't care if that's Wynn, Cajuste, or Cannon, just that someone becomes the guy there for every snap.

3) Cole Strange grows into the NFL enough that you can count on him on an island most of the time (this is actually the one I'm most optimistic about, IMO).

If those happen, the line can get "good enough" to actually evaluate the rest of the offensive personnel in the best light, and get more creative with the offense. But clock's ticking, on this year at least.

Do you know when Marcus Cannon is eligible to come off IR??

 

[PatsFan2]

Chandler Jones hasn't been that much of pass rusher this year. He didn't even get his first full sack for the season until December 4th. Before that game, he had a half a sack for the season.

C Jones have a knack for shining against sucky OL's with guys like back-up McDermott possibly starting. I really hope hope Cajuste or Wynn is ready to go Sunday.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

It is not only because of the OL...Mac needs to trust his arm and throw the football in some tight throwing windows. Not every QB is throwing to wide open guys you have to throw it where your guys can make the play Mac did this a lot last year. H Henry is a good TE and he had a good connection with Bourne last year too. We have to get back to that we have guys who can make plays let's go Mac Jones.

I can't argue with the fact that Mac needs to be more confident and aggressive for the Pats to do anything this year. The OL needs to be able to protect well enough, consistently enough to put Mac in the position where he has to put up or lose his job.

 

[slash83]

C Jones have a knack for shining against sucky OL's with guys like back-up McDermott possibly starting. I really hope hope Cajuste or Wynn is ready to go Sunday.

Jones usually lines up against the LT, Crosby the superior player lines up almost always over the RT.

 

[PatsFan2]

Jones usually lines up against the LT, Crosby the superior player lines up almost always over the RT.

TE's and RB's need to chip a lot to help our RT.

 

[venecol]

So now it's bad to have games won by the 4th quarter?

More offensive TDs than Tampa

I don't think you understand what not having a GWD means. It means you lost.

 

[Toofy]

The Pats are in a catch 22. Until other teams respect their ability to go deep it is easy to take away what they do best by clogging the center of the field within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. They can't throw it deep because they need to protect the OL. I don't see the OL getting better this year.

How about we line up 6 receivers and all well spaced with linemen next to each receiver and make Mac go few steps back during snap . Invite the defense for a free pass at QB . So DT and NT will not have a job outside of just rushing whilst our offensive lineman will be blocking and pushing cb / safeties who is next to a receiver so that we can get more yac . Say having strange push CB or safeties next to Jonnu after a quick pass .

Again I have never played football so just throwing out some random thoughts .

Teams will know it's a short pass but don't know where Mac will throw and will be overpowered from coverage standpoint because we would have 2 or 3 people clearing way for a pass catcher instead of RB. So every throw will be closer to 8 yards with great difficulty for opposing cornerbacks to deflect it.

 

[Toofy]

I can't argue with the fact that Mac needs to be more confident and aggressive for the Pats to do anything this year. The OL needs to be able to protect well enough, consistently enough to put Mac in the position where he has to put up or lose his job.

Herbert was slinging it with a similar offensive line . Mac needs to be decisive and our route runners need to run routes less than 2 -3 seconds. Mac needs to throw balls in anticipation and as the play develops not when the receivers is completely separated . Needs to trust his receivers more. Bourne and Henry were great .

 

[TomPatriot]

How about we line up 7 receivers and just 4 linemen and make Mac go few steps back during snap . Invite the defense a free pass but possibly having a lineman to block a cb who is next to a receiver so that we can get more yac . Say having strange push CB or safeties next to Jonnu after a quick pass .

Teams will know it's a short pass but don't know where Mac will throw and will be overpowered from coverage standpoint because we would have 2 or 3 people clearing way for a pass catcher instead of RB.

Not counting the QB you can only have 5 eligible receivers and you need to have 5 linemen.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Parker lashing out against NFL is ludicrous. Sure, any concussion spotter should be able to notice that... BUT, Parker was the one who fought to get up and went and lined up, trying to stay balanced in his set... He could have, and SHOULD have just stayed down, or taken a knee and they would have quickly handled it. There's no scandal here. The reason he didn't is HE didn't want to miss another game or two, that's not the NFL's fault. That bugs me. He's trying to play the victim because of the recent hype with the Tua situation, etc...

Goodell: "there is 'no higher priority' than player safety in the NFL"

Roger, you misspelled 'money'.

 

[Toofy]

Not counting the QB you can only have 5 eligible receivers and you need to have 5 linemen

Can the linemen serve as receiving options ?

 

[State]

The Pats are in Arizona. Never flew back to New England.

Tucson. Remember their old coach now head coach of UA, Jedd Fisch? He used to be our QBs coach. Probably better than JJ.

 

[State]

Jones usually lines up against the LT, Crosby the superior player lines up almost always over the RT.

This is a game where it may get simpler for McDermott. Keep the tall guy across from you from getting to your QB. 6’8” vs 6’6”. Should be hard to miss.

 

[State]

Is this the game we go deep to Thornton? Can we establish a running game? No shanks by our punter? And will Judon and Uche continue their torrid ways?

 

[Toofy]

This is a game where it may get simpler for McDermott. Keep the tall guy across from you from getting to your QB. 6’8” vs 6’6”. Should be hard to miss.

If mcDermott is a TE converted tackle wouldn't he be more tahletic than usual tackles. If that's the case shouldn't we be doing more zone runs with him using strong, Rham or Jonnu

 

[Stu Pidassle]

How about we line up 7 receivers and just 4 linemen and make Mac go few steps back during snap . Invite the defense a free pass but possibly having a lineman to block a cb who is next to a receiver so that we can get more yac . Say having strange push CB or safeties next to Jonnu after a quick pass .

Teams will know it's a short pass but don't know where Mac will throw and will be overpowered from coverage standpoint because we would have 2 or 3 people clearing way for a pass catcher instead of RB.

Edited for perspective. This is actually a reasonable response.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I'd love to see plays like this too, but no one gives Mac Jones the respect they give Rodgers. Look how deep the safeties are. If only people respected Mac like that

Thanks. I'm thinking Bourne would be running the Go up top (although ideally it would be Agholor as he's got the higher top end speed - Bourne is just so quick off the line, though), and if the safeties bite hard you gotta take that shot 1 on 1. Thornton's drop on a crossing route a few games ago isn't helping his cause either.

 

[Hyped]

How about we line up 6 receivers and all well spaced with linemen next to each receiver and make Mac go few steps back during snap . Invite the defense for a free pass at QB . So DT and NT will not have a job outside of just rushing whilst our offensive lineman will be blocking and pushing cb / safeties who is next to a receiver so that we can get more yac . Say having strange push CB or safeties next to Jonnu after a quick pass .

Again I have never played football so just throwing out some random thoughts .

Teams will know it's a short pass but don't know where Mac will throw and will be overpowered from coverage standpoint because we would have 2 or 3 people clearing way for a pass catcher instead of RB. So every throw will be closer to 8 yards with great difficulty for opposing cornerbacks to deflect it.

Ineligible receiver downfield penalty flags will fly....unless the bigs stay on the LOS until the pass is executed and the receiver becomes a runner...