Potential Coaching Candidates after BB Retires [Update: Bedard believes Monday's outcome could result in "serious question" about Belichick's Future]

[Triumph]

Here's the expanded list:
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2.28 definitely wasn't enough

If a QB completes 1 pass in 2.0 seconds and the next throw in 3.0 seconds his average is 2.50.

Right up there with Joe Burrow.

 

[Triumph]

OK, but you can count that time out on your own. If barely a second both of your tackles are on the ground and the one on the right is already in your face and coming to the same direction you think Mac can step into and complete, that's not exactly much time, is it? That's all I'm saying.

If he lobbed the ball in the direction of the RB there is no grounding.

 

[Ian]

If a QB completes 1 pass in 2.0 seconds and the next throw in 3.0 seconds his average is 2.50.

Right up there with Joe Burrow.

OK, Mac let it go at 2:28 as he was falling back and the guy was already there a split second before that. I feel like if I was defending Zappe with this same information, maybe you'd feel differently...?

 

[RobertWeathers]

You would have thought. Part of me wondered if the idea was for Belichick to let Patricia take the heat while Caley learned on the job. I will say, watching some of those "Sights and Sounds" videos, Caley's been really active with the group on the sideline, which had me encouraged beyond this season. I just hope he's a guy who, if they do potentially go that route, they'll allow him to have input and fix a lot of the issues. Although, the overall belief among a fair amount of people is that he's gone after this season, which certainly won't help things.

Agree. The problem is the offense is in such a deficit two things can happen for Caley of he takes over as defacto OC.

1. There is nowhere to go but up.
2. They suck worse and his career is stymied.....and BB might be out the door.

 

[Ian]

If he lobbed the ball in the direction of the RB there is no grounding.

There's a CB right there to potentially pick off that lob. Not only that, it was second and long, they needed some yards to get some breathing room and also have a shot at converting that third down. He had no chance.

 

[Triumph]

OK, Mac let it go at 2:28 as he was falling back and the guy was already there a split second before that. I feel like if I was defending Zappe with this same information, maybe you'd feel differently...?

Zappe gets rid of the ball faster at times.

 

[Triumph]

There's a CB right there to potentially pick off that lob. Not only that, it was second and long, they needed some yards to get some breathing room and also have a shot at converting that third down. He had no chance.

Why cant you throw it right here?

Henry is curling back. Throw low and fast.

 

[Ian]

Why cant you throw it right here?

Henry is curling back. Throw low and fast.

Because he's not facing that direction. Although, it's funny that you say that, because Mac looked at Henry on the first read. @venecol and I looked at this play a couple of days ago. Look at this thread here (I linked to the posts) and it shows the progression:

Mac: "I want to be coached harder"

You have to read why Lazar says the play was to HH. He's instantly open. Maybe Mac thought he had more time to fake look to the right instead of going straight to his intended 1st read. Who knows, but even Lazar admits the play was blown by the line. He isn't immediately open though. Watch...

www.patsfans.com

 

[Triumph]

OK, Mac let it go at 2:28 as he was falling back and the guy was already there a split second before that. I feel like if I was defending Zappe with this same information, maybe you'd feel differently...?

Maybe Zappe would have been worse. Maybe Zappe would have been better, but that creates a controversy.

BB proved to me that he is sticking with Jones no matter what.

 

[Ian]

Maybe Zappe would have been worse. Maybe Zappe would have been better, but that creates a controversy.

BB proved to me that he is sticking with Jones no matter what.

Not necessarily. A lot of it depends, I'm sure, on how things finish and how the two look next training camp. For all we know, Zappe could have a great offseason and come into camp a different player with one season under his belt. Having two good players at that position certainly isn't the worst thing. If Jones struggles again next season, maybe they don't pick up the fifth-year option and instead move him, so you never know.

 

[ashley]

4-1 is huge ask for this team. Cincinnati looks like a loss. And if Buffalo is still playing for something then we know what that looks like.

Come on Dave, let's get on this train, we start this week!!!!! We can do it!!!!!!!!! I'm ready, are you? Let's go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rochrist]

That doesn't say much for the condition you think Belichick will leave the team in.

No, it speaks to my regard for the other coaches in the league.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Bedard has sources, in Foxboro and elsewhere. But he admits he’s speculating. He’s not the only one, though.

Ultimately, Bill probably comes back and willingly makes changes.

I highly doubt that Bedard has any legit sources inside of the Patriots organization, no matter what he claims.

 

[crawhammer]

No, it speaks to my regard for the other coaches in the league.

I count 13 head coaches in the NFL that I would give a plus grade. If that number roughly holds true season to season then the Patriots have a 40% chance of their next head coach being good.

 

[TomPatriot]

I highly doubt that Bedard has any legit sources inside of the Patriots organization, no matter what he claims.

How would you know that?

 

[Disco Volante]

How would you know that?

He has legit sources inside of the Bedard circle

 

[Love The Drake]

Your Robert Kraft,
Your last 3 seasons.
You’ve tried for many years to have Bill and Tom coexist.
You’ve thought you could keep Bill and Tom together.
You gambled and Tom left.
Tom wins a superbowl his first season.
You are strapped for Cap and you give Cam Newton the reins to be starting QB.
You watch him run an inept offense and flounder.
You say ok let’s give him another chance to learn the offense, you resign him and make your intentions Known you are scouting QBs.
You watch as QBs start coming off the Board.
You look like a luck has it that you will have your chicle of the prototypical athletic todays NFL Qb in Fields or you will have the record breaking QB Mac Jones who every scout pundit said ready to go day 1 but limited ceiling and due to his limited ability will be a backup quality QB to low grade starter.
You watch as the Chicago Bears move up in front your and take Justin Fields who had a very rough rookie season. And your QB Mac Jones best out Cam Newton who was then released.
Mac goes on to have an incredibly productive rookie season then hits a wall the last quarter of the season.
Your offensive guru who you stepped up and overpaid to stay you watch take a godfather offer with the Raiders.
You then watch him take 95 percent off the offensive coaching staff.
You say it’s ok I still have Bill and Bill has a plan.
You sit and watch as Bill refuses to sought out a qualified OC.
You bring on your ex dc and St coach as Offensive Coordinator and QB coach.
Your darling QB loses body fat has a new diet and from all accounts is working with a QB guru on his mechanics and arm strength.
Not to mention you lose your Goat O line coach,
You watch your GM trade away Shaq Mason back to Tom’s Bucs for a party favor while you draft a offensive guard in the first round where many pundits thought he would be there in the third or fourth round.
You watch in horror as your suggested franchise QB looks erratic. Scared unsure of himself and what he sees and doesn’t trust his o line or players around him.
He’s openly questioning his coaches
Not to mention you opened up your paycheck to pay Jonnu Smith Hunter Henry and Nelson Agholar a combined 43 million dollars or more a season.
Add the fact the Dolphins Bills and Jets all look set for the future moreso than this once dynasty. You pay your head coach and GM 20 million a season and with your money you have gotten a 31st ranked goal line offense a first round QB reach who has regressed every player on offense has regressed aside from Stephenson.
Not to mention you traded up in the second round to grab your WR who isn’t getting the playing time and you’ve yet to take advantage of his game breaking speed In any game this season.
You watch as your 180 pound wr is out as a run blocker on one play and then a 5 to 8 yd slant vs letting him go deep to make the defense respect his speed.
Being the business man and connected as you are you watch your buddies on ESPN and NFL network and every person in between who knows what a football is make fun of your offensive coordinator and say it’s high school quality plays and formation.

And people don’t believe that Bill could be on a different sideline with his family and Patricia and co?

Kraft has stated this team comes second only to his family.
You think Kraft wants to be the nail that gets hammered in the AFC?

I think a lot of people will be surprised.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Tom Curran thinks BB could be on thin ice if they continue the 4th annual December slide and does his "shoulder shrug and grunt" when asked by Kraft what his plan is.

But why would anyone want BOB here after the sh*t he pulled in Houston?

Does Curran actually think the way BB acts in press conferences is the way he acts all the time? Especially around the one guy with the power to fire him?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I still don't understand the switch. Both guys were serviceable last year, but as I mentioned and a couple other analysts pointed out, they had help from Henry and Smith, so I'm wondering if the goal was to free those guys up. Either way, obviously it didn't work out. But I'd be willing to bet Belichick probably didn't expect either guy to struggle this badly. They needed at least one to play well and neither have.

It feels like this is on the coaching staff, since Henry played pretty well last year.

 

[Ian]

It feels like this is on the coaching staff, since Henry played pretty well last year.

I was talking about the tackles, but I agree. He's been great.