Potential Coaching Candidates after BB Retires [Update: Bedard believes Monday's outcome could result in "serious question" about Belichick's Future]

[Triumph]

BB has effectively been rebuilding for 3 years now. I think it would be a mistake to let him go after this season, no matter what happens. But if he can’t get this team a playoff win by the end of next season, I could very realistically see a scenario where he’s gone. It will then have been a half a decade since our last playoff win. Not a lot of other coaches, especially coaches over 70 years old, would get that kind of leeway in just about any professional sport.

Let’s face facts here - he’s been a career mediocrity as a head coach without Brady. He’s continued to be a mediocrity as a HC since 2020. I’d still give him the opportunity to evaluate the roster and the coaching staff in the offseason, but his seat needs to start getting a bit uncomfortable. This is a business, and you’re in business to win now and in the future.

BB the draft GM has screwed BB the HOF HC.

When Brady was here, it did not matter how many draft picks went belly up because Brady found a way to win. The bad drafts went largely unnoticed. Today, the Pats drafts are exposed to the light.

 

[crawhammer]

So you are okay with him coming here with full control and again building a bunch of poor defensive teams as long as offense is great and we "may" win a SB . And without a future HOF QB?
The amazing part is - granted brady is better than brees- but still for 20 yrs BB coached team didnt have a losing season with a HOF QB and 1 11-5 with cassel but we are having more faith in payton to come and revamp and rebuild this franchise. Classic case of ignoring what have had.

If the Krafts wanted to move on from Belichick after this season then I would be ok with Sean Payton becoming the next HC. He has a great offensive mind and I can't think of a better available HC for the development of Jones and Zappe. Who knows what the defenses will look like but there's no guarantee they would suck just because Payton is the HC.

By that standards when did BB become a bum ? 1 losing season and 1 season with 6-6 record ? If we cant handle this, you will handle 2 back to back 7-9 seasons with payton or any other coach ? if yes then BB deserves the same long leash . if he goes with the same losing seasons then fine we need change. but we are ready to dump him 3 seasons after brady.

I didn't say Belichick is a bum. Isn't the thread about potential replacements for Belichick? I'm just playing along.

But still, regarding Belichick, I would only consider firing him if the team finishes the season on an 0-7 slide. I highly doubt that's going to happen so I don't really believe Belichick will get fired. But if he does then Payton is an excellent replacement imo.

 

[Triumph]

Wickersham citing a bunch of anonymous sources.

If BB didn't want Brady gone then why did he let him leave?

Kraft said that if was up to him Brady would stay. BB wanted to replace Brady with Jimmy because BB was siick of Brady's avocado salesmen Guerroro. BB booted his arse of the team plane. BB was sick of Brady peddling TB12 plans in the Pats locker room and having his players question the NE Trainers because their methods didn't jive with TB12.

Was all that just a dream too?

 

[archstanton543]

If BB didn't want Brady gone then why did he let him leave?

Kraft said that if was up to him Brady would stay. BB wanted to replace Brady with Jimmy because BB was siick of Brady's avocado salesmen Guerroro. BB booted his arse of the team plane. BB was sick of Brady peddling TB12 plans in the Pats locker room and having his players question the NE Trainers because their methods didn't jive with TB12.

Was all that just a dream too?

Have you spoken to BB about why he let Brady go or did you make up that "sick of his diva act" storyline yourself?

 

[Triumph]

Have you spoken to BB about why he let Brady go or did you make up that "sick of his diva act" storyline yourself?

Dont need to because I am an informed Pats fan.

Try it someday.

The TB12 drama, explained: Inside Bill Belichick's feud with Tom Brady trainer Alex Guerrero | Sporting News Canada

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[Wax Frog]

Bad title, instead of locking this, I'll edit it and see where it goes.

I admit my Friday feels a bit less light for having skimmed this thread. After all these years I should know better

 

[Bill Lee]

I don't get the infatuation with a guy who struggled to finally win one ring and otherwise ended up irrelevant by the end of most Januarys in the NFC...?

And was willing to look the other way during Bountygate.

Kraft has every right to sh#tcan Belichick at 1 am Monday night if they lose this game.

He has the right, but, honestly, do you see any realistic chance of that happening?

Hallmark franchises do not lose to a freaking 4-8 team in a "gotta have it game."

The pre-season poll on this site showed consensus on us winning 8 or 9 wins.

It won't be a shocker if we miss the playoffs.

 

[crawhammer]

If BB didn't want Brady gone then why did he let him leave?

He wanted him but only by his terms. Brady just wasn't having it anymore so he went elsewhere where he could get a genuine commitment from another organization.

 

[crawhammer]

Kraft said that if was up to him Brady would stay. BB wanted to replace Brady with Jimmy because BB was siick of Brady's avocado salesmen Guerroro. BB booted his arse of the team plane. BB was sick of Brady peddling TB12 plans in the Pats locker room and having his players question the NE Trainers because their methods didn't jive with TB12.

This doesn't sound entirely accurate.

 

[archstanton543]

Dont need to because I am an informed Pats fan.

Try it someday.

The TB12 drama, explained: Inside Bill Belichick's feud with Tom Brady trainer Alex Guerrero | Sporting News Canada

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Seems like he didn't want a non-team employee hanging around. Both BB and Tom say in the article that there's no hard feelings and they moved on.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I read in Forbes today that only the Cowboys are worth more than the Pats. Kraft has taken this team from the skimpy Sullivan, to the absent Victor Kiam days to a 6 time SB champ worth OVER $6 BILLION dollars!

Forbes estimates the Pats are worth $6.4 Billion and operate with a $237 million dollar annual budget.

You don’t fire the guy who helped you do that! BB isn’t going anywhere and frankly as much as I ***** about his drafting and the ridiculous trade of Chandler Jones, BB has put a consistent winner on the field.

Kraft will not fire BB because, a.) it’s a bad look b.) he will be hired by another team c.) he already let Brady go, if he fires BB and the Pats revert to the Billy Sullivan days, Kraft will get zero credit for the dynasty.

 

[archstanton543]

Kraft will not fire BB because, a.) it’s a bad look b.) he will be hired by another team c.) he already let Brady go, if he fires BB and the Pats revert to the Billy Sullivan days, Kraft will get zero credit for the dynasty.

Huh? Why wouldn't Kraft get credit? He owns the team.

It always ends badly with longtime, legendary coaches. Either they're forced out (asked to retire) or are fired.

 

[crawhammer]

Dont need to because I am an informed Pats fan.

Try it someday.

The TB12 drama, explained: Inside Bill Belichick's feud with Tom Brady trainer Alex Guerrero | Sporting News Canada

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Surrounding the supposed Brady/Guerrero-Belichick feud were the greatest comeback in NFL history (SB 51), a 500-yard performance from Brady in SB 52, and another SB championship for the 2018 season. So I don't think the "feud" was a real problem.

 

[Real fan 02]

If you ask me Bob Kraft is fit to be tied letting Brady leave.

Brady is still pulling out wins out of thin air. Brady and this NE roster are Super Contenders. I believe that Kraft had a choice between Brady and BB and sided with BB.

If anyone has read the Seth wickersham material , he talka about how Kraft ultimately sided with BB. However after Brady left and immediately won a ring Kraft then felt remorseful.

This Time around, given how the team spent and felt that they were back in contention. If we continue to loose and look like we've been I can definitely see Kraft not necessarily firing BB, but make an executive decision.

 

[FortressX]

The executive decision that should have been made was not allowing Fat Matt to have 2 jobs and not letting Joe anywhere near the QB room.
Johnathan should have stopped that back in spring.

 

[Ian]

As the HC/OC of the Saints from 2006 to 2019 (15 seasons) his offenses ranked in the top 10 in the NFL every season and 8 times were #1 or #2. You wouldn't give him a shot at working with Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe?

I get it, but you could make a similar argument for Tony Dungy and I wouldn't want him as a head coach here either for the same reasons.

 

[Ian]

All I have to say is that I get people are irritated. But step one of becoming like the rest of the league already happened. Wait until the final step happens...I can promise you - people aren't going to like it.

Regardless, the end is already coming eventually. I wouldn't be in a big hurry to rush it.

 

[crawhammer]

The executive decision that should have been made was not allowing Fat Matt to have 2 jobs and not letting Joe anywhere near the QB room.
Johnathan should have stopped that back in spring.

You're effectively saying Kraft should greatly diminish Belichick's authority.

I get it, but you could make a similar argument for Tony Dungy and I wouldn't want him as a head coach here either for the same reasons.

Hiring Dungy doesn't address the offense which has all kinds of problems to be corrected. So if you hire Dungy then his choice of OC becomes hugely important. I'd rather just go with the HC/OC.

 

[Ian]

Hiring Dungy doesn't address the offense which has all kinds of problems to be corrected.

I was saying that out of jest purely to make a point. As I said, Payton's a guy who had a future Hall of Fame QB and did virtually nothing with him beyond the regular season over that entire span, so I don't understand the fascination with him.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

Bedard seems to think that BB's seat might start to get warm if they lose to the Cardinals.

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For the good of this franchise the Patriots losing to the Cardinals would help the team take the first step to move forward into the future.
Will be grateful to Bill for all the glory he brought to this franchise. However his job performance as GM and strategist has been abysmal for the past 4 years and he has put the franchise in a bad position. Patriots have a bad reputation in the league and this needs to be corrected.

Need a creative imaginative young coach who players want to play for and who can help this offense get into the 21st century.
If Bill leaves, need a clean break which means most of his assistants should go (including his sons, MP and Joe Judge)

Here some ideas:

Kellen Moore
Lincoln Riley
Jim Harbaugh
Josh Heupel
Joe Brady
Ken Dorsey
Shane Waldron