Bill Belichick: Highest Paid Coach in North American Sports at $20m per

[upstater1]

The point is, show me the contracts of those few players you mentioned and the effect they had, money wise, on the team in 2020…if signing 2 big contracts hindered them, then they would’ve been hindered every year for 2 decades, as well as every other team on earth

But agree, it was Brandin cooks 800k that put them over the edge

I showed it above.

You're acting like the Patriots did not have salary cap problems when everyone knows they did.

Next year, we'll have only a handful of player on this team from the team that won the 2019 Super Bowl: Andrews, Wise, Jon Jones, and Lawrence Guy. Only Andrews played regularly.

This is the kind of total tear down, wholesale rebuild we've never had in New England for 20 years

 

[upstater1]

So you’re including 2019 into the conversation about 2017/2018? You also listed Mccourty 3 times

Huh? That's 2019.

Yep my mistake on McCourty. I listed Jason 2x. It says McCourty twin. obviously the contracts are different too. Jason's is a totally different # than Devin's. It's not like I listed Devin's $13m 3x. I listed it once.

 

[upstater1]

So you’re including 2019 into the conversation about 2017/2018? You also listed Mccourty 3 times. You’re acting like this isn’t normal money distribution as to what they had for decades, the problem was that their high end talent was old because the missed so often in the draft to fill out the top half of the roster

I really don't care what the problem was.

They won the Super Bowl 3x in 5 years.

I see no problem. I have no problem at all with that.

 

[All3Phases]

Huh? That's 2019.

Yep my mistake on McCourty. I listed Jason 2x. It says McCourty twin. obviously the contracts are different too. Jason's is a totally different # than Devin's. It's not like I listed Devin's $13m 3x. I listed it once.

Right, and I would never disagree that in 2019 they were more aggressive than normal…the ab contract was out of character as well as the Bennett contract, but these types of deals didn’t hinder them in the future…if they sign Brady; they lose thuney and mccourty…they lost thuney anyway.

Also all easily avoidable by extending Brady earlier

 

[All3Phases]

I really don't care what the problem was.

They won the Super Bowl 3x in 5 years.

I see no problem. I have no problem at all with that.

Ok then what are you arguing?

 

[upstater1]

Ok then what are you arguing?

I don't know, you've jumped around so much, no one knows anymore

The first post on this subject was that the Patriots went all in on contracts to win Super Bowls, and they paid the piper for it. That's what a few of us have been saying

So we're all agreed!

 

[All3Phases]

I don't know, you've jumped around so much, no one knows anymore

The first post on this subject was that the Patriots went all in on contracts to win Super Bowls, and they paid the piper for it. That's what a few of us have been saying

So we're all agreed!

Right, that’s what I’m disagreeing with…not sure where I’ve jumped around

 

[upstater1]

Right, that’s what I’m disagreeing with…not sure where I’ve jumped around

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Even so...he is 5-11, 0-2, 11-5, 3-1, 7-9, 10-7, and 6-6 without Brady as the Patriots coach.

42:41 with these QB's: Bledsoe (5-13), Cassell (10.75-5), Jimmy Garoppolo (1.5-0), Jacoby Brisset (1.5-1), CAM NEWTON (7-8), Brian Hoyer (0-1), Mac Jones (14-11.5), and Billy Zappe (2-1.5).

 

[maust]

It does, because you're not only paying contracts, you're also paying dead money. I listed all the high contracts in my previous post. It's more than the ones you listed.

Brady $27m
McCourty $13.5m
Gronk $12minosecond
Hightower $11m
Gilmore $15m
Mason $9m
McCourty $5.5m
White $5m
Edelman $8m
Cannon $6m
Jon Jones $6m
$12m for Aaron Hernandez and Antonio Brown dead cap
$14m Thuney
$4m Chung
$5.5m McCourty twin
$4.2m Van Noy

15 players $157m which left $32m for 36 remaining players.

You're a more patient man than I am. NGL, I sighed then thought about pulling specific numbers for stuff we all generally know. Yep, thought about it for all of a few seconds before I decided I am done trying to have an adult discussion with someone who's just married to their point and going to come back to the same BS over and over, tossing out the occasional straw man. All while wanting you to post factual things that are dismissed with rehashed versions of "well they could have paid if they wanted" or "draft blah blah" while ignoring WHY the Pats paid the vets they would have either traded, let go or never brought in. How can you have a coherent discussion when on the one hand the 'cap is easily manageable' but the drafting is critical so you don't have to "back fill" the roster with more expensive veteran role players? If the cap is so easily managed what difference does the cost of the bottom of the roster make? Especially when you are consistently drafting at the bottom year in and year out.

Even had they drafted better at the time there were damn few open spots in that roster for a team built to win right then. Given where the competition was at, it was a textbook example of when to go all in. Competitively speaking the Pats window of high opportunity for a 6th championship was open right there in that 2017-2018 time span. In the previous decade they looked to maximize the stretch of good opportunities, moving on earlier from players rather than later. Yet with the probability of a championship quite high and the clock ticking on Brady, Gronk, High, Edelman and Cannon they judged at the time the added cap ramifications of paying all of them, D Mac & Harmon along with other complimentary vet pieces then bringing in Gilly and J Mac as well as letting Thuney get to a tag year would all be worth it if they could add another championship. The Patriots brain trust sure could have saved themselves some aggravation if they could have just used some of that "easily managed" alternate universe magic pixie dust where all things are easily possible instead of having to pull the grimy trigger of reality.

It's only a game to us fans, to everyone else involved it's a business. The practical application of that truism is that from time to time it behooves us to at least consider the business side of the game has far more to do with what we see happen than how any of us feel about it.

 

[upstater1]

It's only a game to us fans, to everyone else involved it's a business. The practical application of that truism is that from time to time it behooves us to at least consider the business side of the game has far more to do with what we see happen than how any of us feel about it.

Agree with all of this.

People might want to look back on that Super Bowl victory in 2019 and notice that the players who made a huge difference that day, Trey Flowers, Elandon Roberts, Donte Hightower, Julian Edelman, Rob Gronkowski, Tom Brady, Kyle Van Noy, Stephon Gilmore, it was basically their last great performance for the team. Would've been great to bring back Flowers or Elandon Roberts (Roberts destroyed people in that Super Bowl), but essentially, New England just blew the Super Bowl team up in 2020.

 

[lancerman]

Would love to know what happened there. He went from a guy who was highly touted with whispers from inside the organization of being someone they were confident in to being someone who was irrelevant in camp after the Newton signing. No epic battle there at all. And then they wouldn't even play him when the team faltered midseason, so it shows you that obviously something bad seemingly happened...although, we haven't really ever heard what exactly that was.

My gut says that when Brady left a lot of people just couldn't accept the idea that Belichick didn't have an answer at QB and assumed Stidham must be another Jimmy G or at worst Cassell type who can at least game manage to a win. And the reality was, Bill just didn't want to lock in Brady because he didn't believe he would still be playing well and preferred having cap to rebuild for the future. Then Stidham sucked hard and they brought Cam in for peanuts because trying to get Cam back to his old self seemed more feasible than building Stidham into something he would never be.

Then they couldn't fix Cam and still had no faith in Stidham. So with fans it became a "there's a magic man on the bench who we are going to hope is the answer to everything because we are out of any other options".

 

[lancerman]

Florio brought up a fascinating observation on Curran's podcast. He said the Patriots won't have to fire BB if they decide to move on. In fact if that happens and BB wants to keep coaching then they would just have to advertise to teams that Bill is available. Teams who feel they're just a coach away would be interested in bringing him in. He says they would agree to take on that $20M+ and they'd also offer a first rounder plus for BB if he's available. Never thought of it that way.

Would the Patriots trade BB if there was a taker and we were offered a first round pick or more?

The Broncos would 100% go for that if they didn't trade all their picks for Russ.

 

[lancerman]

I just dont see why when a player is up for a contract, the team bases it off of their future, but for the coach its based off of the prior 20 years...Theres no consistency

Because you have a salary cap for players and when money is a limited commodity, the past matters less than the future. There's no salary cap for coaches that hurts the team. So Bill can just say "hey Bob here's the deal, since I've come to your team, there's probably been over 100 head coaches hired over that period of 22 years. In those 22 years I brought your team 6 Super Bowls. The other 100 coaching hires brought in 16. Only Coughlin has gotten more than 1 aside from me. Do you want to bet on me again or do you want to go back to the well and hope you lucky and pick up one of those lucky 16 out of a hundred. Because even if you are lucky, odds say that coach will just get you 1 before you eventually move on."

And that's not even counting things like Cowher having been hired before that. If I was Kraft, I'd want to ride Bill out until it's apparent he can't continue rather than hope I get lucky.

 

[captain stone]

Which ones? It sure wasn't 2011-2018

Surely you can't be serious...

 

[XLIX]

Not to mention that half the posters here bagging on Belichick for letting Brady go were saying, back in '19, that the Patriots should never have let Garoppolo go!

Bullsh*t. The posters that supported Brady the are the same ones supporting him now.

 

[DarrylS]

That was Then; This is Now.

25-27 his last 52 games... That's Jeff Fisher sh!t right there.

His legacy counts for quite a bit, if he were to leave here any other team in the NFL would pay him more for his services.
This team has made more than a few missteps, confident that either things will improve drastically next year or he will retire. If he retires he will probably stay on in some capacity in this organization.

 

[stcjones]

Isn’t earning that money this season at all.
Robert may make a change in the future.

Definitely more incentive to move on from BB for Kraft with this info out there….he has not been worth that money since Brady left….and again, I think we all know now that Brady “hid” a lot of BBs blunderous decisions/errors

 

[stcjones]

only 60 million? i'm sure he would... BB sitting atop the all time wins list? that is definitely something RKK would enjoy... another NFL record setting benchmark during his tenure as owner...

I don’t think most wins by a coach is as high on his priority list as winning Championships and putting an elite product on the field….the years post Brady have been a disaster coaching wise…Krafts patience must be getting thin

 

[RobertWeathers]

Surely you can't be serious...

The goal for every draft is to land 2 starters and 2 reserves. That quote is from Ron Wolff.

By that standard Bill has done fine.

You don't go to 7 straight conference championships drafting poorly.

On average teams miss on 73% of their picks.

Fans forget how hard the draft is.

You can't land top talent in the draft picking 28-32 every year.

2019 was horrible. That is acknowledged