Bill Belichick: Highest Paid Coach in North American Sports at $20m per

[All3Phases]

The saying has always been "You get paid for what you're going to do. Not what you've done."

Agree

 

[203Pat]

2017: Cooks, Gronk, Brady, Solder, Gilmore, McCourty, Hightower
2018: Gronk, Brady, Gilmore, McCourty, Hightower, Mason, Cannon, Chung, Thuney

This is why the team maxed out in 2019.

Bill bungled too many drafts. That is why they ended up where they did in 2019.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Bill bungled too many drafts. That is why they ended up where they did in 2019.

Which ones? It sure wasn't 2011-2018

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Putting him on a pedestal just because you are insecure and in the process put Bill down is a different matter...

Disagree that he's a once in a lifetime player.

There are plenty of elite QBs who could have won with Bill.

there are plenty of coaches brady could have won with

you think if i ride this agenda it would be a good contribution to this forum?

 

[dtbrks]

18 pages? Lol.
I’m sure there is major bashing in here so I will not read it and ignore.

 

[maust]

Sorry, Im confused mostly about this portion...How did they break their cap formula to contend in 2018? Which monster deals did they sign during that period that hindered them in 2020? The drafting is why the roster was thin, coming into the 2020s

You seem confused about several things as regards my points about the cap. FA monster deals aren't the way the Pats changed how they did business. They'd brought in expensive players when needed in the past, Colvin, Revis, Gilmore come to mind. What changed was they paid too many of their own guys to age in place, with guys being jettisoned too late because of their contract situations rather than too early from a cap standpoint. And yes, bad drafts played into it but if 'the cap is crap' then bad drafts would not matter. I freely confess I'm a neophyte when it comes to the vagaries of the cap but at least I'm up front about the realities of its existence. In the Robinson thread I tried pointing out that Chung's contract extension was signed before the 2019 season as a rework to create cap room and was exempt for 2020 because of COVID . If they weren't so close to championships do you really believe Hightower wouldn't have been moved? Or that Thuney would have gotten to a tag year in 2019? That the two of them would not have gone the way of Seymour or Logan Mankins? Do you think New England would have paid Gilmore to come here in '17 if they didn't see him as a potential missing piece?

If your previous contentions that the cap is 'easily manageable' were true, bad drafts wouldn't matter. We also wouldn't be having this conversation. The Pats would simply have sprinkled their magic cap management dust on everything and presto! Brady would still be here, surrounded by talent. Tagging Thuney and signing McCourty aren't proof the Pats had cap space to play with, they were only able to sign them because the cap wasn't used up in a Brady signing. Chung's signing was an extension for cap relief before the 2019 season. The truth is personnel / contract decisions don't happen in a vacuum, every one of them impacts the whole. The Pats contended for as long as they did because they had the greatest QB of all time, arguably the best HC of the Super Bowl era and managed the cap well enough to keep the W machine chugging along.

Once again I'd point out the dance did in fact happen, we can't all just ignore that once it came time to pay the band.

 

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[upstater1]

The saying has always been "You get paid for what you're going to do. Not what you've done."

That goes for players under a salary cap. There is no salary cap for coaches. If you don't like Belichick, fire him. Otherwise you'll have to give an example of coaches taking less rather than being fired.

Also, can you imagine the Boston media's narrative if Kraft he got rid of Belichick because of his big contract and then saved himself $16m year with some new Ass't turned HC? Laughable.

 

[upstater1]

2017---So because these players were under contract, they maxed out? Cooks btw was on his rookie deal, Solder on the last year of his deal...Brady again at a bargain
2018--Again, these players caused the patriots to run out of money? Even though they extended Chung and franchised Thuney and let Brady walk in 2020?

Contracts have these things called signing bonuses and they are pushed to the future.

 

[upstater1]

Agree

Show me one example where coaches have negotiated pay cuts

 

[upstater1]

Bill bungled too many drafts. That is why they ended up where they did in 2019.

He bungled so many drafts that he had too many stars on the team!

The genius of some of you.

Amazes me too coming off a Super Bowl victory that every other fanbase would give an arm and a leg for.

A section of Patriot fandom has CTE from too many Super Trophy hits to the head.

 

[upstater1]

If your previous contentions that the cap is 'easily manageable' were true, bad drafts wouldn't matter. We also wouldn't be having this conversation.

LOL, exactly, if the players sucked, we wouldn't have had a salary jam-up.

It amazes me that after 2 decades the conventional wisdom against Belichick was that he lets star players go, and here this is flipped on it's head as: we didn't have star players and that it was a lousy lineup (that won 3 of the previous 5 Super Bowls). This thread is nuts, N. V. T. S. nuts.

 

[pazrul72]

One thing I find disingenuous about that number is BB is the only one who is both coach AND GM so he is getting paid for two jobs compared to everyone else's 1. You want to break it down to 10 mil and 10 mil it becomes much more realistic. Still think he is the best in the business of coaching and borderline top 10 GM. So 16 mil? Would be more realistic in my mind if we were paying for today's results. That said BB did build and coach teams that went to 9 SBs winning 6 of them. Not to mention quadrupled the value of the Patriots. If he wants 4 million a year of goodwill for that I would give it to him without a second thought.

Moving on to the issues facing this year's team. There is something to be said for "this is a results oriented business" and "paying for future production not past results". I do think BB at 70 years old is not as sharp as he once was, and doesn't have the energy/hours in the day to wear so many hats. I still 100% believe he is the best OC, DC, HC, and GM in the organization and if he had 4 clones the pats would be a much much better team. Thing is by trying to be all of those, he is failing at all of them. So how to respectfully and gracefully spread the load and take some responsibility away from BB?

I don't have answers or specific names but this reminds me of a real world situation I see at my work everyday. I'm a vet tech and I see how insanely overworked and stressed out the vets are. A big part of that is the lack of good, well trained techs, that can take some of the minor routine cases out of their hands. The doctors are too busy to train techs which leads to them having to do even more which leads to even less training time. On the Patriots where is the young McDaniels or caserio that has been brought up and trained to take over for a retiring or leaving staff member? I think BB needs to find a way to not handle as much big picture stuff so he can devote more hands on time to making his staff better.

Issue #1 in my book that I would hit as hard and as aggressively as possible is getting the OL fixed. I would use my first rounder on a tackle AND either sign the best FA tackle or trade for a premier one with one year left on their contract. Then draft another one in rounds 4 5 or 6. With Trent brown that gives you 4 shots at hopefully finding two starting caliber Tackles. Until that's fixed the rest of the offense, IMO, can not be judged or evaluated. Get an experienced devoted OL coach and move Patricia into an Ernie Adam's front office type role. I want him on the staff but not handling any day to day type coaching.

I still think BB is worth the money, I still believe he is the GOAT responsible for 50% of the dynasty (Brady 45% Kraft 5%) but I can also acknowledge this year has probably been his worst as a coach. Too many penalties, undisciplined play, bad play designs, and just unpatriot like football. Something needs to change I just am not informed enough to say specifically what, but IBBWT he has fixed these sorts of things before and has earned the right to keep trying.

 

[All3Phases]

Contracts have these things called signing bonuses and they are pushed to the future.

This doesn’t explain how these specific contracts put the team in cap hell

 

[All3Phases]

You seem confused about several things as regards my points about the cap. FA monster deals aren't the way the Pats changed how they did business. They'd brought in expensive players when needed in the past, Colvin, Revis, Gilmore come to mind. What changed was they paid too many of their own guys to age in place,

This was because their talent pool was depleted via lack of drafting…they bolstered the middle and back of their roster with free agents, but that again doesn’t explain why the roster was poor in 2020 because of their management in 2017/18. The drafts however does explain a lot of it

with guys being jettisoned too late because of their contract situations rather thanned, too early from a cap standpoint. And yes, bad drafts played into it but if 'the cap is crap' then bad drafts would not matter. I freely confess I'm a neophyte when it comes to the vagaries of the cap but at least I'm up front about the realities of its existence. In the Robinson thread I tried pointing out that Chung's contract extension was signed before the 2019 season as a rework to create cap room and was exempt for 2020 because of COVID . If they weren't so close to championships do you really believe Hightower wouldn't have been moved? Or that Thuney would have gotten to a tag year in 2019? That the two of them would not have gone the way of Seymour or Logan Mankins? Do you think New England would have paid Gilmore to come here in '17 if they didn't see him as a potential missing piece?

Honestly, none of this is reflecting why the 2017/18 management hindered the future rosters

If your previous contentions that the cap is 'easily manageable' were true, bad drafts wouldn't matter. We also wouldn't be having this conversation. The Pats would simply have sprinkled their magic cap management dust on everything and presto! Brady would still be here, surrounded by talent. Tagging Thuney and signing McCourty aren't proof the Pats had cap space to play with, they were only able to sign them because the cap wasn't used up in a Brady signing.

And they used the money that would’ve easily fit Brady onto the roster to sign players that had no future here, outside of McCourty, who still is not really needed. You can easily plop Brady on the roster and take off one or two of the horrendous contracts they signed and still rebuild the exact way they did…the depletion of the roster is because of the poor drafting where they missed a ton for a period

Chung's signing was an extension for cap relief before the 2019 season. The truth is personnel / contract decisions don't happen in a vacuum, every one of them impacts the whole. The Pats contended for as long as they did because they had the greatest QB of all time,

And it would’ve continued and there would’ve been 0 mention of a rebuild had he signed in 2020. They chose to feed you excuses

 

[All3Phases]

He bungled so many drafts that he had too many stars on the team!

The genius of some of you.

Amazes me too coming off a Super Bowl victory that every other fanbase would give an arm and a leg for.

A section of Patriot fandom has CTE from too many Super Trophy hits to the head.

A vast majority of their stars were from previous periods in the draft or FA. If you turn a blind eye to the lack of production from the drafts from 2014-2020, then there is no helping you

 

[upstater1]

A vast majority of their stars were from previous periods in the draft or FA. If you turn a blind eye to the lack of production from the drafts from 2014-2020, then there is no helping you

Irrelevant to the fact we had a huge amount of money bundled up in stars (which is, after all, the point of this discussion). However they got here, they were here. They helped win Super Bowls.

That's the whole point of what we're talking about

 

[All3Phases]

Irrelevant to the fact we had a huge amount of money bundled up in stars (which is, after all, the point of this discussion). However they got here, they were here. They helped win Super Bowls.

That's the whole point of what we're talking about

The point is, show me the contracts of those few players you mentioned and the effect they had, money wise, on the team in 2020…if signing 2 big contracts hindered them, then they would’ve been hindered every year for 2 decades, as well as every other team on earth

But agree, it was Brandin cooks 800k that put them over the edge

 

[upstater1]

This doesn’t explain how these specific contracts put the team in cap hell

It does, because you're not only paying contracts, you're also paying dead money. I listed all the high contracts in my previous post. It's more than the ones you listed.

Brady $27m
McCourty $13.5m
Gronk $12m
Hightower $11m
Gilmore $15m
Mason $9m
McCourty twin $5.5m
White $5m
Edelman $8m
Cannon $6m
Jon Jones $6m
$12m for Aaron Hernandez and Antonio Brown dead cap
$14m Thuney
$4m Chung
$4.2m Van Noy

15 players $157m which left $32m for 36 remaining players.

 

[All3Phases]

It does, because you're not only paying contracts, you're also paying dead money. I listed all the high contracts in my previous post. It's more than the ones you listed.

Brady $27m
McCourty $13.5m
Gronk $12m
Hightower $11m
Gilmore $15m
Mason $9m
McCourty $5.5m
White $5m
Edelman $8m
Cannon $6m
Jon Jones $6m
$12m for Aaron Hernandez and Antonio Brown dead cap
$14m Thuney
$4m Chung
$5.5m McCourty twin
$4.2m Van Noy

15 players $157m which left $32m for 36 remaining players.

So you’re including 2019 into the conversation about 2017/2018? You also listed Mccourty 3 times. You’re acting like this isn’t normal money distribution as to what they had for decades, the problem was that their high end talent was old because the missed so often in the draft to fill out the top half of the roster