By the numbers: Patricia's offense downright offensive

[Wozzy]

This “Patricia is going to suck” take was a dumb one from the start… and largely perpetuated by the negative nancy’s and Tompa forum crowd.

Not because he couldn’t have sucked, but the assumption that he automatically would. They’re playing a game with an inflated pig’s bladder, not launching a rocket into space. He was already a Super Bowl winning coordinator.

 

[upstater1]

You need to catch up on your reading. Zappe was already a baller with FBS TD & Yards records. I wish we had his former OC running our offense.

Oh yeah, everyone knew it too!

Has nothing to do with the Patriots

 

[upstater1]

Look, I rip McVay and that coaching tree in this thread regularly, but even though I think Staley is wasting Herbert, I'm going to defend the guy because he's getting ripped by analytics fanatics this morning for running the clock down at the end of regulation.

It was the right move.

Why?

Because you're on your own 40-50. If you go for it on 4th and miss, then Denver only needs 10 measly yards to give McManus a shot at winning the game.

Denver can't move the ball AT ALL. Their chances of going 50 yards are miniscule compared to their chances of going 10 yards.

It was the right decision, but all the analytics guys are blasting Staley for that decision, as though they were playing the Chiefs or something

 

[signbabybrady]

Look, I rip McVay and that coaching tree in this thread regularly, but even though I think Staley is wasting Herbert, I'm going to defend the guy because he's getting ripped by analytics fanatics this morning for running the clock down at the end of regulation.

It was the right move.

Why?

Because you're on your own 40-50. If you go for it on 4th and miss, then Denver only needs 10 measly yards to give McManus a shot at winning the game.

Denver can't move the ball AT ALL. Their chances of going 50 yards are miniscule compared to their chances of going 10 yards.

It was the right decision, but all the analytics guys are blasting Staley for that decision, as though they were playing the Chiefs or something

The go for it crowd has lost their minds and usually wrong

 

[40yrpatsfan]

To me the turning point was game 3 vs Baltimore, a quality opponent on both sides of the ball. Prior to that I wasn't sure about anything the offense was doing, and their ceiling didn't look very high. But in that game Parker went off for 168 yards, Mac was chucking it all over the place, and he also scrambled very well. The offense showed imagination and a high ceiling, and the team as whole showed competitive fire.

Yes, Parker ran the wrong route for an INT, Mac threw it to a LB on another play, and Agholor fumbled at a critical time. But that game showed us that the offense was gonna be fine and that Mac, Patricia & BB had it figured out.

 

[Wozzy]

To me the turning point was game 3 vs Baltimore, a quality opponent on both sides of the ball. Prior to that I wasn't sure about anything the offense was doing, and their ceiling didn't look very high. But in that game Parker went off for 168 yards, Mac was chucking it all over the place, and he also scrambled very well. The offense showed imagination and a high ceiling, and the team as whole showed competitive fire.

Yes, Parker ran the wrong route for an INT, Mac threw it to a LB on another play, and Agholor fumbled at a critical time. But that game showed us that the offense was gonna be fine and that Mac, Patricia & BB had it figured out.

Mac threw 4 INT’s… nothing else needs to be said.

Mac was throwing the ball great all season… it was the 2-3 mistakes a game that was killing them, losing them games.

They ranked 10th in total offense and he ranked 11th in passing yards when he went down with injury. It was the turnovers that lost them games in the first month.

Points is the most important stat in football, turnovers is second… because it correlates to points more than any other stat. Football isn’t difficult.

 

[Wozzy]

Look, I rip McVay and that coaching tree in this thread regularly, but even though I think Staley is wasting Herbert, I'm going to defend the guy because he's getting ripped by analytics fanatics this morning for running the clock down at the end of regulation.

It was the right move.

Why?

Because you're on your own 40-50. If you go for it on 4th and miss, then Denver only needs 10 measly yards to give McManus a shot at winning the game.

Denver can't move the ball AT ALL. Their chances of going 50 yards are miniscule compared to their chances of going 10 yards.

It was the right decision, but all the analytics guys are blasting Staley for that decision, as though they were playing the Chiefs or something

McVay and Staley both screwed up in the off-season when they didn’t invest everything they had in their lines. The Rams OLine and the Chargers DLine.

They won’t be able to fix that mess in-season, the most they can do now is find ways to hide it using scheme.

 

[Tunescribe]

Matt Patricia's offense, per Tom Curran's Quick Slants show tonight. Note: the penalty numbers need clarification, will try to revisit this if possible.

Last eight games:
81 plays gained 0-2 yards
30 plays lost yards
26 sacks allowed
5 interceptions
4 lost fumbles
53 penalties accepted by opponents (unclear if this is offense only or combined offense/defense)

So far this season:
Only 20 offensive TDs in 11 games
Second in NFL offensive holding penalties
13 pre-snap penalties
23 more penalties than opponents, largest margin in NFL (again, unclear if this is offense only or combined offense/defense)

Weapons SHOULD be adequate:
Patriots have highest cap $$$ devoted to tight ends
Patriots have third-highest cap $$$ devoted to wide receivers

IMO, these numbers illustrate a poorly coached, undisciplined offensive unit led by a neophyte offensive coordinator in over his head PLUS lack of skilled, experienced offensive line coaching.

 

[Jlaff]

Matt Patricia's offense, per Tom Curran's Quick Slants show tonight. Note: the penalty numbers need clarification, will try to revisit this if possible.

Last eight games:
81 plays gained 0-2 yards
30 plays lost yards
26 sacks allowed
5 interceptions
4 lost fumbles
53 penalties accepted by opponents (unclear if this is offense only or combined offense/defense)

So far this season:
Only 20 offensive TDs in 11 games
Second in NFL offensive holding penalties
13 pre-snap penalties
23 more penalties than opponents, largest margin in NFL (again, unclear if this is offense only or combined offense/defense)

Weapons SHOULD be adequate:
Patriots have highest cap $$$ devoted to tight ends
Patriots have third-highest cap $$$ devoted to wide receivers

IMO, these numbers illustrate a poorly coached, undisciplined offensive unit led by a neophyte offensive coordinator in over his head PLUS lack of skilled, experienced offensive line coaching.

Third highest cap hit to receivers?! I understand the TE issue. And to be fair, it's not like McDaniels lit the world on fire with these two either. But the amount they are spending on receivers is egregious. And about to go up if they want to keep Meyers!

 

[Tunescribe]

Third highest cap hit to receivers?! I understand the TE issue. And to be fair, it's not like McDaniels lit the world on fire with these two either. But the amount they are spending on receivers is egregious. And about to go up if they want to keep Meyers!

That resource allocation might seem more reasonable if the players were properly coordinated vs. tossed into a Chinese fire drill.

 

[denverpatsfan]

How dare you!!!!

Matt Patricia's offense, per Tom Curran's Quick Slants show tonight. Note: the penalty numbers need clarification, will try to revisit this if possible.

Last eight games:
81 plays gained 0-2 yards
30 plays lost yards
26 sacks allowed
5 interceptions
4 lost fumbles
53 penalties accepted by opponents (unclear if this is offense only or combined offense/defense)

So far this season:
Only 20 offensive TDs in 11 games
Second in NFL offensive holding penalties
13 pre-snap penalties
23 more penalties than opponents, largest margin in NFL (again, unclear if this is offense only or combined offense/defense)

Weapons SHOULD be adequate:
Patriots have highest cap $$$ devoted to tight ends
Patriots have third-highest cap $$$ devoted to wide receivers

IMO, these numbers illustrate a poorly coached, undisciplined offensive unit led by a neophyte offensive coordinator in over his head PLUS lack of skilled, experienced offensive line coachin

 

[Tunescribe]

How dare you!!!!

Sorry, but to me it summarizes the season so far.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Sorry, but to me it summarizes the season so far.

I agree with your analysis. My post was fake homer outrage.

 

[VrabelJr]

Oh wow you made a thread dedicated to banging the same drum you bang in every other thread

Matt Patricia might not be better than McDaniels but the 11 players on offense at a given time need to make football plays. It’s really that simple.

 

[Hyped]

Third highest cap hit to receivers?! I understand the TE issue. And to be fair, it's not like McDaniels lit the world on fire with these two either. But the amount they are spending on receivers is egregious. And about to go up if they want to keep Meyers!

Not exactly….most of our pass catchers were FA’s last year (Henry, Jonnu, Bourne, and Agholor). Plus, we also went out and traded for Parker’s salary. Some of those contracts will come off the cap in 2023, we also can restructure some, and the cap is only going up.

But yeah, we are up against the cap this season…in 2023 we have some more wiggle room.

 

[Hyped]

Comments:

- 53 accepted penalties over 8 games is about 7 per game. Sounds like it is both units…,.we undoubtedly would have had a thread about 6-7 offensive penalties in a game.

- For some more context….we run an average of 60 offensive plays per game x 8 games = 480 plays give or take 20. So, 130ish plays went for a max of 2 yards or negative yards… 130/480 = 27% crappy plays….

 

[Tunescribe]

Oh wow you made a thread dedicated to banging the same drum you bang in every other thread

Not every other thread. Not even hardly.

Matt Patricia might not be better than McDaniels

He is magnitudes worse. If he was ALMOST as good that would be incredible.

but the 11 players on offense at a given time need to make football plays. It’s really that simple.

Please do everyone a favor and overnight that revelation to Patricia by tomorrow.

 

[upstater1]

Third highest cap hit to receivers?! I understand the TE issue. And to be fair, it's not like McDaniels lit the world on fire with these two either. But the amount they are spending on receivers is egregious. And about to go up if they want to keep Meyers!

I would not make a big deal out of this when you realize Bourne is playing for peanuts, Thornton is on a rookie contract, Meyers is still on UDFA contract, Parker is on his Miami salary but there is no bonus money in future years so again, it's a bargain, and Agholor's money is finished, so there's no cap hit for him.

In other words, there are no significant future cap hits due to signing bonuses with these guys. So while other teams might have paid less for their WRs in total salary/cap hit, they have much more significant future cap hits from high signing bonuses.

 

[venecol]

Matt Patricia's offense, per Tom Curran's Quick Slants show tonight. Note: the penalty numbers need clarification, will try to revisit this if possible.

Last eight games:
81 plays gained 0-2 yards
30 plays lost yards
26 sacks allowed
5 interceptions
4 lost fumbles
53 penalties accepted by opponents (unclear if this is offense only or combined offense/defense)

So far this season:
Only 20 offensive TDs in 11 games
Second in NFL offensive holding penalties
13 pre-snap penalties
23 more penalties than opponents, largest margin in NFL (again, unclear if this is offense only or combined offense/defense)

Weapons SHOULD be adequate:
Patriots have highest cap $$$ devoted to tight ends
Patriots have third-highest cap $$$ devoted to wide receivers

IMO, these numbers illustrate a poorly coached, undisciplined offensive unit led by a neophyte offensive coordinator in over his head PLUS lack of skilled, experienced offensive line coaching.

Hmmm

1. Who hired Patricia just two months after being fired by the Lions? Answer: Bill
2. Who hired Judge less than a month after being fired by the Giants? Answer: Bill
3. Who designated Patricia not only as defacto OC but also OL coach? Answer: Bill
4. Who assigned Judge as QB coach for the sophomore 1st RD QB? Answer: Bill
5. What was the reaction of the entire NFL early in the offseason upon hearing of these decisions?
Answer: Shock
6. What was the reaction by Pats homers (like the OP) towards posters calling these decisions absolutely nuts? Answer: STFU IBBWT

Either:
A. The OP is trolling by creating this thread; or
B. The OP is bending over backwards to excuse the below stats of our QB.

 

[venecol]

And the Veneclown, a/k/a Director of the Anti-Mac Jones Hate Crusade, appears.

1. Yes, I am a homer.
2. Being a homer does not preclude levying criticism where warranted.
3. I questioned the Patricia/Judge hirings from day one, so on that note you certainly can STFU. Even then I expressed a "let's wait-and-see" caveat hoping for some method in the madness, only to be disappointed.
4. Your wishful conclusion that this thread is "trolling" or a conjured defense of your favorite whipping boy is typical Veneclown illogic -- just like your decision to adopt a screen name from feminine hygiene products. And of course in your spiteful little noggin', an unqualified offensive coordinator, unqualified quarterback coach and nonexistent dedicated OL coach HAVE NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH QUARTERBACK PERFORMANCE.
5. You fail again. Take a running jump.
6. Oh, also ...