Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Vikings beat the Pats

[ashley]

 

[Pats2000]

Keep beating that anti-Mac drum to the bitter end. Mac didn't suddenly find pocket presence/decisiveness last night, he was given pockets to work from and showed what he can do with adequate protection. Just like last year.

Dude, you haven't been watching the games. They actually put Mac under center last night, ran play action and kept the defense on its heels. Mac's mechanics were much better, his accuracy and decision making was much better. He moved away from pressure while keeping his eyes downfield. He looked at the whole field. He even had a nice almost no look pass to Meyers I think.

These were all issues with Mac. Bad pocket presence, movement and decisions will make the line look much worse than it is.

 

[sb1]

You act like criticizing the 29th ranked QB in the league is somehow unfounded. Mac had a really nice breakout game last night. I'm hoping he can build on that.

His pocket presence up until last night was woeful. He def put some things together, moved well in the pocket and made decisive throws. In the end some of his team mates let him down and he made a few mistakes. But overall I though this was the best game of his career so far.

Still having red zone issues, even though that catch by HH was stolen by the refs. Even if that had stood 1 out of 3 isn't good enough.

Both can be (and are IMO) true that Mac has given fans material to criticize his play with this season and Zappe is not an upgrade.

Once Lamar hits the market this offseason and if Bill decides (or not) to throw $ at him we'll know his true feelings about Mac. Bill doesn't have time left in his coaching career to bet on a maybe he'll either be all-in on Mac or he decides he's not the guy that can get him one more championship and one without Brady and he needs to make a drastic move now to make that happen.

 

[JMC00]

O went into the tank on the last 4 drives.

Refs looking the other way on Henry being illegally contacted and Mac Jones getting his facemask pulled on the same play aided that. Funny how refs saw with their eagle eyes the 2 Jon Jones facemasks which I could barely see until they played a close up slowed down shot. Yet somehow the backfield ref whose job is to look for any penalties against the QB somehow didn't.

 

[archstanton543]

How does an NFL head coach criticize the replay official without getting fined? That’s what Bill was doing.

That sounds like a typical BB non-committal non-answer.

 

[Triumph]

That’s for Week 12. During odd numbered weeks that’s a catch - on Sunday. But maybe not on Thursday.

No its not.

Once tine ball touches the ground it cannot move around. The ground cannot cause the ball to move and that it what it did. Henry did not have firm possession through the entire catch when the play is blown dead.

Blaming the Refs is weak.

 

[ashley]

How does an NFL head coach criticize the replay official without getting fined? That’s what Bill was doing.

Exactly.....a nice way of him saying it below:

 

[Pats2000]

Both can be (and are IMO) true that Mac has given fans material to criticize his play with this season and Zappe is not an upgrade.

Once Lamar hits the market this offseason and if Bill decides (or not) to throw $ at him we'll know his true feelings about Mac. Bill doesn't have time left in his coaching career to bet on a maybe he'll either be all-in on Mac or he decides he's not the guy that can get him one more championship and one without Brady and he needs to make a drastic move now to make that happen.

That's where I potentially disagree. We don't know if Zappe is an upgrade or not. But I'm willing to concede Mac might put it together after last night's game.

 

[TomPatriot]

Is this another "I totally know everything that happened in that draft room and i'm gonna act like the Pats could have traded up"

Just a reminder the only trade made before the Pats traded down was a swap of 13 & 14. Which means teams weren't trading out.

It’s not a criticism of the Pats at all. I was pointing out the irony. No one can predict the outcome of a draft. I pointed that out years ago.

 

[archstanton543]

No its not.

Once tine ball touches the ground it cannot move around. The ground cannot cause the ball to move and that it what it did. Henry did not have firm possession through the entire catch when the play is blown dead.

Blaming the Refs is weak.

The ball doesn't have to "survive the ground". Hasn't been a rule since 2017.

 

[sb1]

I've seen

That's where I potentially disagree. We don't know if Zappe is an upgrade or not. But I'm willing to concede Mac might put it together after last night's game.

I haven't seen evidence yet that he is an upgrade right now or potentially could be.

I think he had his shot in the Bears game to put Mac on the bench for good... and it didn't go well.

 

[everlong]

It clearly did not leave his possession until after his hand and the ball lost contact with the ground. That was an awful reversal. Did it cost them the win? Probably not. The no-call on the hold of Dugger on the kickoff return, the stupid penalty on running into the kicker and Bryant's stupid penalty extending a drive all led to 21 other points.

This team is simply not good enough to overcome all the mistakes.

Hopefully the Bills have to punt this coming week.

 

[JMC00]

12 passes attempted, 8 completions, 104 yards.

should have been something like 14 passes, 11 completions 180 yards

He put the ball in Meyers hands but Meyers couldn't complete it

Henry got held which threw off the timing

Agholor if he was 1/4 second faster is there for the ball

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

i know the flavor for some fans is to blame the refs on that Henry play as to why we lost, yes It was b.s. That was a TD. I thought once you break the plain all bets are off, but anyways.

The real blame is the special teams and our defense. If they did their job in anyway last night, we win and not focusing too much on that Henry blown call.


also D. Harris seems to be always injured. I wonder if he makes it to his next contract with the pats or he is out of here..

 

[archstanton543]

should have been something like 14 passes, 11 completions 180 yards

He put the ball in Meyers hands but Meyers couldn't complete it

Henry got held which threw off the timing

Agholor if he was 1/4 second faster is there for the ball

If Agholor didn't stop during his route he would have been there.

 

[JMC00]

Even if that had stood 1 out of 3 isn't good enough.

Should have been 2 out of 3. Kendrick Bourne 100% didn't catch the ball because of a blatant PI and even then if he didn't they should have gotten it at the goal line which I say probably a decent chance Stevenson bulldozes in for a yard.

 

[Triumph]

Dude, you haven't been watching the games. They actually put Mac under center last night, ran play action and kept the defense on its heels. Mac's mechanics were much better, his accuracy and decision making was much better. He moved away from pressure while keeping his eyes downfield. He looked at the whole field. He even had a nice almost no look pass to Meyers I think.

These were all issues with Mac. Bad pocket presence, movement and decisions will make the line look much worse than it is.

He reverted back to Bad Mac in the 2nd half.

Dink and Dunk throws that gain 3 yards on 3rd and 7.

 

[captain stone]

Today that wasn't the problem at all... So many reasons above that why we lose this game. Special teams, defense etc.

Yes it was.

Corky soiled himself - again - during the 4th quarter and in the RZ - again… And also gave himself up ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS instead of trying to reach the line to gain OR NOT TAKE A ****ING SACK WHEN HE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY COULD NOT TAKE ONE…. AGAIN!!!

I am so ****ing sick to ****ing death of this ****ing puzzie & his ****ing UN-****ING-QUALIFIED circus clown ****ing play-caller… Worst ****ing duo in the ENTIRE ****ING LEAGUE.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

He reverted back to Bad Mac in the 2nd half.

Dink and Dunk throws that gain 3 yards on 3rd and 7.

Mac is a dink and dunker…just like the guy who played here for 20 years. It is what it is.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Refs looking the other way on Henry being illegally contacted and Mac Jones getting his facemask pulled on the same play aided that. Funny how refs saw with their eagle eyes the 2 Jon Jones facemasks which I could barely see until they played a close up slowed down shot. Yet somehow the backfield ref whose job is to look for any penalties against the QB somehow didn't.

I don't expect the refs to get every call. It's impossible. Facemasks, holding, blocks in the back They have a hard job.

The holding on Dugger was awful and i'm annoyed as hell about it but I go back to my pervious sentence.

...but blowing calls with the BENEFIT of replay on rules which THEY ratified?

Unacceptable.