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[upstater1]

Predetermined Mac isn't it obvious that Jones is locking on to Meyers no matter what. The play had two options but Jones was set on one Meyers: Henry was wide open for a First Down.

No

The first option is run.

Not Henry

 

[upstater1]

I'm not saying he does. Honestly neither have what I'd call "quality NFL arms" if we're being honest with ourselves, up there in the top half of the league but they're comparable imo. You'll see velocity on certain passes and floaters on others. I mean we've watched Mac toss floater after floater off his back foot, out routes, occasional deep shot will hang. So it's not like either really separates themselves imo.

I think Zappe has shown a little more twitch at times when it comes to footwork, positioning himself on certain passes which has an effect the overall result.

I think both are similar QB's tbh. I had a 2nd on Mac and 3rd on Zappe. I don’t see a huge gap all things considered but what do i know?

Just to be fair, Matt isn't designing plays. I know what you're saying and not trying to nitpick but I'm sure he's calling plays from our library most likely with Mac's input. I doubt anyone is letting Matt design plays, like actually draw up plays. That's actual an incredible task when you talk about implementing into your offense with 11 guys. That stuff isn't easy. I'm sure we'll run variations but I doubt Matt is drawing up plays.

I only say that bc it kind of speaks to the arguments above about setting one guy up to succeed as some have put it.

I think you're speaking to the play calling which has been a hot topic and I don't see anything out of the ordinary besides the red zone. When you factor in year 2 for Mac and Zappe being a rookie. Getting run, in-season. I don't see a case that one has it that much easier. It's not a new offense as some have said. Both guys are working off the same book. Sure there might be a few different calls but trying to make a case out of that with the context of each guy where they're at in their short careers. Isn't adding up to me and many others.

Look I'm not saying that Zappe has a better arm. Is a better QB or should start. I'm simply saying Mac hasn't played well for a good stretch now and it definitely has nothing to do with the play calling. Like the play calling isn't effecting his processing or mechanics. You can separate OL from QB and play calling from QB mechanics etc to get specific and see these things.

I'm seeing things with WRs bunched up that I haven't seen in ages with the Patriots. We used to take advantage of open spaces. Now we're constantly seeing players in the same exact areas. We don't seem to have our concepts down. This is the polar opposite of last year.

For the record, I have said it multiple times here that I have no problem with Patricia's play calling. If anything, I'm glad he does a good job of keeping the D off balance. My problem is with the design of the offense itself. Something is wrong.

Obviously, in these posts comparing Mac and Zappe, I agree that Mac is mechanically way off while Zappe is more compact, and I've been saying this about Mac since the start of the year. Disagree with what you're saying about floaters though. I know the announcers were saying the same thing during the broadcast, but he's dropping those balls into tight spots with defenders in front of him. Like the 20 yarder to Henry yesterday. It was called a floater. Not sure if this is what you're referring to. For me, this is the type of pass Mac is making consistently. The kind of touch passes you used to see from Peyton Manning. If instead you're referring to the type of backfoot blind heaves that were being intercepted, then yes, those are bad. Whether they are floaters or whatever.

 

[upstater1]

You know that Patricia is doing nothing without BB approval right?

That's illogical just as a statement

 

[PatsFan2]

No

The first option is run.

Not Henry

The Jets called a Great Defense on that play they had a spy on running Mac and they were Blitzing also. Everything happened so fast Mac couldn't compute.

 

[upstater1]

The stats show deep throws per game. As it's clearly shown, not ALL QBs played 7 games. Some played 4. Others 5. Some played 6. Others 7. On a per game basis the stats are what they are. You just don't like the results.


I'm reposting deep throws per game and # of pass attempts. Can you be specific what your issue is with these numbers? Do you not believe them?


Is this your argument, that other people are astonished? Who TF cares.


I'm not moving any goal posts. That post shows both deep throws per game and # passing attempts per deep throw. The results shows that Mac in fact throws 3.3 throws per game. Yes, "some guys", because as the stats show, several QBs also had 4 games, or 5 games, or 6 games. Not all of them had 7 games.

You continue to embarrass yourself with your lazy takes. Just provide a clear and concise response with what it is exactly you disagree with about the stats posted. You just keep on repeating this "3 versus 7" nonsense, when that post specifically addresses the "3 vs 7" issue you keep blabbing about. How old are you?

You said Mac throws one or two a game

20 / 3 = 6/7.

Math.

He throws more deep than all but 3 QBs.

 

[upstater1]

The Jets called a Great Defense on that play they had a spy on running Mac and they were Blitzing also. Everything happened so fast Mac couldn't compute.

If Jakobi pulls that spy downfield, it's a 1st down. Simple.

If the spy stays on Mac, it's a touchdown.

 

[Triumph]

That's 2 losses (vs Buffalo). They're also not beating @Minnesota. That's 4-7. The next two at Gillette (Colts and Jets) are layups. That's 6-7. How many of these games are they winning?... @Arizona, @Las Vegas, Cincinnati, and Miami... I don't see a sweep there, best case is 3-1. That's 9-8 which probably is a wild card spot.

Buffalo, Tennessee and Kansas City are going to win their divisions. Baltimore and Cincinnati are both getting into the postseason. The Chargers are probably getting in if their defense can play a little better and Staley can stay away from mind-numbingly stupid decisions. The prospect of the Jets making the postseason is laughable... looking at their upcoming schedule... L, L, W, L, L, etc. That leaves Miami or the Patriots for the final wild card spot. Miami has a brutal December schedule but they still have a clear path to 9 wins so it'll probably come down to @NEP or tiebreakers.

1 loss.

Game 17 is vs the Bills and they will rest starters. BB will play to win the game. The famous words of Herm Edward's.

Pats beat Buffalo IN Buffalo cruising to the playoffs at 12 - 5.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

You said Mac throws one or two a game

20 / 3 = 6/7.

Math.

He throws more deep than all but 3 QBs.

I'm sure I came in in the middle, but...

20/3 = 6 2/3 (almost 7)

6/7 =... well, 6/7. Less than 1.

So just generally, what?

I had something else to say but it went away to do fractions.

 

[crawhammer]

Game 17 is vs the Bills and they will rest starters.

They want the AFCCG at Buffalo this time around so they won't be resting anyone if that's unsettled. Or if they're the 1 seed... they're not playing their starters for 3 weeks? I don't see that happening with this Buffalo team. It's also probably of some importance to them to blow the doors off Gillette stadium again. They still have much ground to recover after two previous decades of continuous beatdowns.

 

[Pats2000]

Not questioning you but where are you getting those stats from? Care to share?

Saw them in an article just recently. Don't remember which one to link it.

 

[Triumph]

They want the AFCCG at Buffalo this time around so they won't be resting anyone if that's unsettled. Or if they're the 1 seed... they're not playing their starters for 3 weeks? I don't see that happening with this Buffalo team. It's also probably of some importance to them to blow the doors off Gillette stadium again. They still have much ground to recover after two previous decades of continuous beatdowns.

The Bills schedule is cake the rest of the way. They already beat the Ravens, Chiefs and Rams. Maybe 1 more loss leaves them 14 - 2 with NE coming to town. The AFCE and 1st round seed is all locked up.

They don't need this game. Pat's win.

 

[captain stone]

I didn't notice how Wynn was at LG yesterday. Haven't seen any tape yet on him. Please let me know your thoughts and if you have any opinions on his performance there.

No penalty flags there as far as I remember... No turn-style whiffs either... As Rob0729 mentioned above, I also thought he performed better than Strange69 did, who seems to be regressing the past couple of weeks...

 

[Zuma]

No penalty flags there as far as I remember... No turn-style whiffs either... As Rob0729 mentioned above, I also thought he performed better than Strange69 did, who seems to be regressing the past couple of weeks...

Strange is a top 3 rookie OL but like you...I will always believe Wynn is a LG.

 

[Zuma]

 

[venecol]

You said Mac throws one or two a game

20 / 3 = 6/7.

Math.

He throws more deep than all but 3 QBs.

He doesn't have 20 deep passes. Now, including the NYJ game, he has 15. See below, I drew it in crayon for you.



Here is his INT%, which leads the league by a mile, even over known INT machines like Winston & Wilson, & rookie Pickett. His Int% is an outlier in the league. I also drew that in crayon so you can see.

 

[Zuma]

He doesn't have 20 deep passes. Now, including the NYJ game, he has 15. See below, I drew it in crayon for you.



Here is his INT%, which leads the league by a mile, even over known INT machines like Winston & Wilson, & rookie Pickett. His Int% is an outlier in the league. I also drew that in crayon so you can see.

There you go again...more facts. Geesh.

 

[Dingleberry]

@venecol

Can't you just be happy with the win? Focus on that once in a lifetime clutch 4th down throw to a receiver in the flat. Any concerns about no pocket presence and being unable to find the open receiver are just an illusion. Your stats are lies. Well, I guess they are true because they are actual stats, but they make my tummy hurt the way you use them.

It's not every day you squeak out a win against the powerhouse Jets. Revel in the victory!

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Some very good stuff here from Lazar:

But this tape was refreshing. A lot more positives than negatives, and you see a foundation being laid.

Beginning with the interception that counted, the Pats simply aren't getting quality right tackle play to keep dialing up shot plays with five-man protection schemes.

After Further Review: Breaking Down Mac Jones's Performance, Defense's Big Day vs. Jets

The Patriots earned a much-needed win over the Jets on Sunday.

www.patriots.com

 

[Ross12]

I don’t mind the Mac criticism and Zappe theoreticals, I just wish they wouldn’t infect and drown out every thread. It’s like we replaced Bill vs Tom with Mac vs Bailey.

 

[upstater1]

He doesn't have 20 deep passes. Now, including the NYJ game, he has 15. See below, I drew it in crayon for you.



Here is his INT%, which leads the league by a mile, even over known INT machines like Winston & Wilson, & rookie Pickett. His Int% is an outlier in the league. I also drew that in crayon so you can see.

I was obviously referring to your original post listing him as having 21.

That's the one you based the math on.

This is the perfect example of the way you lie.

I quoted your own post and the math you did based on listing Mac as having 21.

Now you go back and move the goalposts yet again.


I quoted your very own words.

Which you now have disowned.