Game Day Thread Official Post Game Day Thread- Pats beat the Jets

[catent]

My favorite play of the game. Watch Jabrill Peppers absolutely destroy the gunner to give Marcus Jones the edge on this punt return. Epic block. Awesome.

 

[Pats2000]

Sure, but neither one is running it at a high rate. Reading some of these posts, they make it sound like Zappe is running PA 50% or more of the time, which isn't even close to being accurate. They both have very few of those plays, albeit Zappe has more of them.

He was under center 48% of the time. Mac is under center 18% of the time. He limits what the offense can do

 

[PatsFan2]

Are we even talking about the same play?

Here it is:

It's clear that Meyers isn't going out on a route. He's literally preparing to block for a Henry screen, or at least feinting that.

Where do you see Meyers blowing past anyone here?

He's not even trying. Right from the snap, he turns his body and wedges the defender from the outside. A split second after the snap, he's actually facing toward the Patriots end zone.

Unless you're saying Meyers intends to run his route by backpedalling.

Predetermined Mac isn't it obvious that Jones is locking on to Meyers no matter what. The play had two options but Jones was set on one Meyers: Henry was wide open for a First Down.

 

[h0c2000]

1. Zac wilson sucks
2. Mac got puck luck this game with the bogus unnecessary roughness penalty and the SOJ being dumb on that pick six.
3. Mac's first half almost cost the game
4. Mac was much better in the second half
5. I don't think this game did much to give coaches much more confidence in him.

 

[Scotty]

I just get the feeling that Peppers is starting to play a bigger roll , has made some good plays recently

 

[PatsFan2]

I posted the link to the play. It's right above you in this thread. Go look at it. Mac is looking to run. He only steps back after he sees the spy and determines he's not going to run.

His first option is NOT the throw to Henry. That much is clear.

And it should not be the first option on this play since it's much easier to get a yard on a run than it is to throw a screen with 3 defenders out there.

The best design would be for Jakobi to pull the spy with him and if the spy doesn't follow Jakobi, it's an easy TD.

I see Bourne would have been the better player on that play and not Meyers. Kudos to the Jets D on the play and boo boo to Mac with his indecisiveness.

 

[venecol]

I think these stats show exactly how you constantly distort things.

I already explained how and why.

The stats show deep throws per game. As it's clearly shown, not ALL QBs played 7 games. Some played 4. Others 5. Some played 6. Others 7. On a per game basis the stats are what they are. You just don't like the results.

You have no counter to them. You repost the very same things on which people called you out.

I'm reposting deep throws per game and # of pass attempts. Can you be specific what your issue is with these numbers? Do you not believe them?

I'm not the only one. Go back in that thread and see how many people are astonished by it.

Is this your argument, that other people are astonished? Who TF cares.

You're as is typical trying to move the goalposts here by changing the stat in question.

The stat is deep throws divided by games. Mac doesn't throw one or two deep throws per game as you stated. And 3 versus 7 isn't simply "some guys may have played more games."

I'm not moving any goal posts. That post shows both deep throws per game and # passing attempts per deep throw. The results shows that Mac in fact throws 3.3 throws per game. Yes, "some guys", because as the stats show, several QBs also had 4 games, or 5 games, or 6 games. Not all of them had 7 games.

You continue to embarrass yourself with your lazy takes. Just provide a clear and concise response with what it is exactly you disagree with about the stats posted. You just keep on repeating this "3 versus 7" nonsense, when that post specifically addresses the "3 vs 7" issue you keep blabbing about. How old are you?

 

[Triumph]

The peasantry should respect its royalty. Trying to rise up against us - the ruling class - can only lead to negative consequences for you.

I'm only giving you this advice because I like you. I don't want to see you be forced out of here.

Your buddy loves the attention.

You will have to get in line though.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

We don't have time for that.

aw crap. I went and looked for the "aint nobody got time for that" meme and realized ehhh that's a pretty racist meme. But that, except not racist.

 

[venecol]

He was under center 48% of the time. Mac is under center 18% of the time. He limits what the offense can do

Not questioning you but where are you getting those stats from? Care to share?

 

[Lagaffe_07]

And then there's the argument that Patricia is doing a bad job at designing plays to put this offense in optimal positions.

You know that Patricia is doing nothing without BB approval right?

 

[Triumph]

Pats still own the Jets. Good AFC/divisional win on the road.

I hope we can stop talking about who the "3rd down back" is. I kept saying Rham is a 3 down back since last season and there's no need for the musical chairs at RB. I'm glad he's finally being targeted in the passing game. 3-4 backs running on and off the field last year was totally unnecessary. Two backs is good.

Next week should be another chance at a win against Indy with Kirk and Vikings following who are due for a loss.

4 - 4 is right in the thick of the battle.

The way I figure it the Pat's have 1 more loss on the schedule. The Bills.

 

[crawhammer]

So the fact that the Pats pressured Wilson all day had nothing to do with it? The Pats didn't even need to rush the passer and he would have thrown 3 picks? Sorry, the Pats forced Wilson to make those bad throws.

Those two picks by McCourty were giftwrapped by Wilson. An arrant throwaway? Who does that?... one of the worst plays I've ever seen by a quarterback. I have no clue what he was doing on the second one... pretty much threw it right to the only guy in the area (McCourty). Wilson choked on the pick by Bentley too.

No problem if you want to compliment the Patriots defense but there's no denying Wilson was horrendous in this game. This isn't unique to the Patriots either, Wilson has been incompetent since day one. 18 starts, one game with 300+ passing (yesterday), hasn't had a 2 TD game without having also thrown at least 1 INT, and he's never finished a game with a passer rating in the 100's (and has had only two above 90). He's also been sacked at least once in every game because he's totally clueless against NFL defenses (who are a huge upgrade over the rubbish on BYU's schedule).

 

[bresna]

Honest question... I saw some quotes from media essentially saying the Jets "beat themselves" and that they were a much better/more talented team and that they Jets "played down" to Patriots level. Now, some of these rants were from idiots like Rex Ryan and Bart Scott, but I have heard it on radio and other places too coming into/after yesterday.

Aside from record coming into the game, do people agree with this? I haven't watched a minute of Jets football this season but thought they were somewhat "overachieving" relative to their talent level. I personally would put them "on par" with Patriots and giving Pats a razor-thin advantage due to BB.

We'll find out in another 3 weeks.

 

[signbabybrady]

I posted the link to the play. It's right above you in this thread. Go look at it. Mac is looking to run. He only steps back after he sees the spy and determines he's not going to run.

His first option is NOT the throw to Henry. That much is clear.

And it should not be the first option on this play since it's much easier to get a yard on a run than it is to throw a screen with 3 defenders out there.

The best design would be for Jakobi to pull the spy with him and if the spy doesn't follow Jakobi, it's an easy TD.

Hey you go on thinking whatever you want. And I'll go on thinking you are unfair for putting that one on Matty P with the info you have.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

What are you seeing that has Zappe with better arm talent than Mac?

I don't see that at all.

I see a guy who flutters long balls and is wildly inaccurate.

He is very good at processing, getting his mechanics right, compact delivery, and putting zip on those short throws.

But we're going nowhere with him.

I'm not saying he does. Honestly neither have what I'd call "quality NFL arms" if we're being honest with ourselves, up there in the top half of the league but they're comparable imo. You'll see velocity on certain passes and floaters on others. I mean we've watched Mac toss floater after floater off his back foot, out routes, occasional deep shot will hang. So it's not like either really separates themselves imo.

I think Zappe has shown a little more twitch at times when it comes to footwork, positioning himself on certain passes which has an effect the overall result.

I think both are similar QB's tbh. I had a 2nd on Mac and 3rd on Zappe. I don’t see a huge gap all things considered but what do i know?

I think we're mixing up arguments here.

There's the argument that the Patriots are purposely making Mac look bad for nefarious reasons (which is laughable to the extreme).

And then there's the argument that Patricia is doing a bad job at designing plays to put this offense in optimal positions.

Both can mean Mac is being set up to fail. But one argument says this is intentional, while the other one says it's a result of coaching ineptitude.

Just to be fair, Matt isn't designing plays. I know what you're saying and not trying to nitpick but I'm sure he's calling plays from our library most likely with Mac's input. I doubt anyone is letting Matt design plays, like actually draw up plays. That's actual an incredible task when you talk about implementing into your offense with 11 guys. That stuff isn't easy. I'm sure we'll run variations but I doubt Matt is drawing up plays.

I only say that bc it kind of speaks to the arguments above about setting one guy up to succeed as some have put it.

I think you're speaking to the play calling which has been a hot topic and I don't see anything out of the ordinary besides the red zone. When you factor in year 2 for Mac and Zappe being a rookie. Getting run, in-season. I don't see a case that one has it that much easier. It's not a new offense as some have said. Both guys are working off the same book. Sure there might be a few different calls but trying to make a case out of that with the context of each guy where they're at in their short careers. Isn't adding up to me and many others.

Look I'm not saying that Zappe has a better arm. Is a better QB or should start. I'm simply saying Mac hasn't played well for a good stretch now and it definitely has nothing to do with the play calling. Like the play calling isn't effecting his processing or mechanics. You can separate OL from QB and play calling from QB mechanics etc to get specific and see these things.

 

[crawhammer]

4 - 4 is right in the thick of the battle.

The way I figure it the Pat's have 1 more loss on the schedule. The Bills.

That's 2 losses (vs Buffalo). They're also not beating @Minnesota. That's 4-7. The next two at Gillette (Colts and Jets) are layups. That's 6-7. How many of these games are they winning?... @Arizona, @Las Vegas, Cincinnati, and Miami... I don't see a sweep there, best case is 3-1. That's 9-8 which probably is a wild card spot.

Buffalo, Tennessee and Kansas City are going to win their divisions. Baltimore and Cincinnati are both getting into the postseason. The Chargers are probably getting in if their defense can play a little better and Staley can stay away from mind-numbingly stupid decisions. The prospect of the Jets making the postseason is laughable... looking at their upcoming schedule... L, L, W, L, L, etc. That leaves Miami or the Patriots for the final wild card spot. Miami has a brutal December schedule but they still have a clear path to 9 wins so it'll probably come down to @NEP or tiebreakers.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Absolutely beautiful work from the GOAT, despite quick pressure on multiple occasions due to an OL that is not at full strength, against the best defense in the league. No wonder Belichick praised him the way he did.

TK is a mental case that can't handle any debate or discourse whatsoever. He blocks anyone that disagrees with him. He was championing Cam and blocking people left and right that pointed out how dumb he sounded. So I wouldn't post his stuff thinking it's a W.

He also looks like he's having an episode saying Mac's processing has been great the last two weeks lol. Yea it was outstanding the past two weeks.

 

[BB8XSBW]

Mac's processing has been great the last two weeks

Couldn't have said it better myself.

As a draft junkie myself, and as someone with a perfect track record, who has basically drafted every Patriots roster for the last couple of decades - rosters that have won 6 Super Bowls, might I add - I feel like you're one of the few people here I can relate to.

 

[PatsFan2]

TK is a mental case that can't handle any debate or discourse whatsoever. He blocks anyone that disagrees with him. He was championing Cam and blocking people left and right that pointed out how dumb he sounded. So I wouldn't post his stuff thinking it's a W.

He also looks like he's having an episode saying Mac's processing has been great the last two weeks lol. Yea it was outstanding the past two weeks.

Thanks what a blow hard I thought I was reading that wrong yes great processing by Jones the past two weeks.