Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Deus Irae]

He meant after AB was gone.

Thanks for pointing that out, as I'd misunderstood where he was going with "crazy". But, again, the line was healthy then, and Gronk was still playing. This isn't a one area problem.

 

[RicoG]

There's no AB this year, though.

Everyone knew that Edelman and Gronk were getting 10+ targets a game. It didn't matter if they were double or triple teamed, Brady was going to feed them.

Evans had proven (especially late 2021 as pointed out by gobesmug) that he can be that guy too.

So give Evans his targets. It's not like 2019 Gronk where he was beat-up and there was no one else. Evans is healthy and there are enough other talent to be a threat.

 

[RicoG]

Evans is also a great 50/50 contested catch receiver. Brady is going to have to make more of those contested throws and accept that his interception numbers will go up too.

Brady isn't afraid to throw contested throws to receivers he trust. I clearly remember times Edelman had to change hats and suddenly have to play defender to break up a pass. He had a db in a choke hold the one time.

 

[Deus Irae]

Evans is also a great 50/50 contested catch receiver. Brady is going to have to make more of those contested throws and accept that his interception numbers will go up too.

Brady isn't afraid to throw contested throws to receivers he trust. I clearly remember times Edelman had to change hats and suddenly have to play defender to break up a pass. He had a db in a choke hold the one time.

Evans isn't a quicks guy like Edelman. He's not a force of nature like Gronk. Evans is a deep ball guy who's got the height and timing to win on the outside, and the ability to use his body as a shield on medium in-cuts, but he's much more defendable when he gets outside of that comfort zone. He's Moss-like that way.

 

[crawhammer]

They're a mediocre team right now. Offense doesn't score in the red zone and the defense gives up third and longs drive after drive. Their best player is a kicker right now. The coaching is bad as well. Mix it all together and you get a game like yesterday. It's too early to tell but I wouldn't make any guarantees. Good or bad

Game by game I wouldn't guarantee anything however the division is a different story. Their roster is much better than the other teams in the division aside from New Orleans but the Bucs have a decided advantage at quarterback. Like I said if they let the division slip away then it's a massive fail and they can kiss Brady goodbye for sure and Bowles should be fired or demoted to DC. As crazy as it sounds I miss that buffoon Arians.

They need to get Goedeke out. He just isn't ready this year and he is getting worse instead of better. Getting Jenson back would be huge. It would allow Hainsey to slide over and take Goedeke spot.

They also need to get Evans the ball more. Evans has improved since Brady came and isn't just a deep threat anymore.

What's the word on Jenson? Are they even expecting him back before the end of the regular season?

The problem with the receivers overall has been consistency, regarding availability, usage and performance. Of course Godwin is working his way back from the ACL and then sustained the hamstring injury. Evans had the untimely one game suspension. Julio Jones apparently is useless. Gage has had one productive game. Miller got 2 snaps and no targets yesterday after looking decent against Atlanta. Perriman, who knows?

Evans led the receivers in snaps yesterday but only had 4 targets against that depleted secondary so I don't know what happened there. His catch percentage is the highest of his career and Brady has a 125.6 passer rating when targeting him so he needs to get the ball more.

 

[tom444]

The defense sucked against KC and yesterday against GD Trubisky. They get the ball back in Brady's hands one more time and the Bucs win that game.

But overall I agree the offense needs to be way more productive. Their rankings are a freaking joke considering their roster. Brady and the passing game need to pick it up, especially in the red zone. I have no confidence in the run game moving forward.


Don't be such a tool. Brady easily could have won league MVP last season. They're going to win their division and they should have a deep playoff run. Brady will have solid numbers by the end of the season. It's amazing how many times Brady haters have had him buried and he just keeps burning your *sses.

I'm sure some Bucs forum has room for you.

 

[tom444]

Wanna know what “has been” looks like?

Looks like:






"Tom Brady’s sideline meltdown in Sunday’s 20-18 loss to the Steelers has fans trolling the Buccaneers quarterback about his marriage.

With less than a minute left in the first half, Fox cameras caught a furious Brady yelling at his linemen as Tampa Bay trailed Pittsburgh, 10-6, at Acrisure Stadium.

Buccaneers fans took to Twitter after the loss to share the disappointment that Brady was defeated by Steelers backup quarterback Mitch Trubisky — and let Brady know that it’s not too late to try to save his marriage to Gisele Bündchen.

“Tom Brady ruined his marriage so he could lose to Mitch Trubisky,” one person tweeted. “There is still time Tom. Quit football and go to her.”

Fans get brutal over Tom Brady meltdown: ‘Ruined marriage to lose to Mitch Trubisky’

 

[Deus Irae]

“It’s the freakiest thing,” Bowles said of Bucs’ red zone problems, because it’s so many different things from different players, making it harder to correct. You fix them one at a time, he says.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bowles said he’s not anticipating any changes on the offensive line. “We’ve got the guys we’ve got and we’re happy with them. We just have to be better, play-wise.”

Bowles on rookie guard Luke Goedeke: “Can we get a lot better? Yes. But we’re happy with the things he’s doing. He’s giving up a few plays, here and there, but I wouldn’t single him out to be replaced.”

 

[Deus Irae]

“I’m dissatisfied with a lot of things,” Todd Bowles said in today’s presser, detailing the many things that contributed to Sunday’s loss to the Steelers. Said it isn’t just play-calling or execution from players but both that remain problems.

 

[Deus Irae]

So Todd Bowles has been reading the Brady Forum at Patsfans.com...

 

[Deus Irae]

Todd Bowles says Cam Brate has a sprained neck, everything has tested out well after a scare on field Sunday.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sunday was Leonard Fournette's second game this season with 20+ carries and 3 yards a carry or worse. He had two such games, total, in his first five years in the NFL, over a span of 63 games.

 

[crawhammer]

I'm sure some Bucs forum has room for you.

This is a Bucs forum. Until Brady retires or plays for another team.

 

[Deus Irae]

Play calling is only part of it. Execution has not been consistent at all, including Brady. Brady's done well to avoid turnovers and sacks, but at the expense of some of the big plays that were a strength last two seasons.

 

[Deus Irae]

Posted this at halftime yesterday -- Bucs have 29 first-half possessions this season and just three touchdowns out of 29, two of those after falling behind 21-3 to Chiefs. Basically a 10 percent chance of getting a touchdown on a first-half drive, over a third of a season.

Just to chime in here: Bucs are bad on first down, but worse in running the ball. They rank 18th in first-down yards per pass attempt, they rank 31st in first-down yards per rush. And they pass more on first down than you realize -- rank 6th in pass attempts there, 22nd in runs.

 

[Deus Irae]

The 2022 Bucs averaging 3.07 yards is a fifth of an inch per carry better than the worst rushing team in Bucs history, which was the 2-12 1977 team, which averaged 3.06.

Bucs are one of three NFL teams without a carry of 20+ yards this season, with Steelers and Browns. By comparison, Browns have 11 such runs, Seahawks 10. Bucs' longest run this season is 17 yards, the shortest long of any team in the league this season.

Mini-thread on Bucs' running game, or lackthereof. To say they're ranking 32nd is kind. Last in yards per game, last in yards per carry. They average 3.07 yards per carry, and next-worst is 3.36. No NFL team has averaged that little per carry since Tom Brady's rookie year.

Brady might want to get Jason Licht to give Scar a call, because the numbers, and the coaching acknowledgements, tell us that we really are seeing what most of us think we are seeing....

 

[crawhammer]

Has Bowles commented on his freakishly bad coaching yet?

 

[Deus Irae]

I asked the question: "Todd, they were down their top three corners, down Minkah Fitzpatrick as well. Was there any reason there wasn't a more aggressive downfield passing, to maybe test backups that are playing there?"

Bowles' response: "No, they did a good job mixing it up. They protected them over the top for the most part, but we got outcoached and we got outplayed." Talked about how Bucs dealt with injuries in secondary last year and tried to push through, knowing it would be tough.

 

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